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The Superliner coach seats on the southbound Texas Eagle (as shown in the video at the end of the previous TE thread) seemed to have a LOT more legroom than the older single-level (Amfleet?) coach cars on the Lincoln Service/Missouri River Runner regional train the hubby and I were on last fall (same tracks for the IL portion of both routes), and more legroom than was available in the Venture coach car the video narrator rode in for the northbound St. Louis-Chicago trip. The video narrator seemed to complain about the sore bottom he got in the Venture seating, while the hubby and I had problems with our feet going numb instead.
Thank goodness our Eaglette reservations for this coming fall's trip will be in the sleeping car (we even sprang for a bedroom to Ft. Worth & back!), so legroom shouldn't be an issue this time.
 
The Superliner coach seats on the southbound Texas Eagle (as shown in the video at the end of the previous TE thread) seemed to have a LOT more legroom than the older single-level (Amfleet?) coach cars on the Lincoln Service/Missouri River Runner regional train the hubby and I were on last fall (same tracks for the IL portion of both routes), and more legroom than was available in the Venture coach car the video narrator rode in for the northbound St. Louis-Chicago trip. The video narrator seemed to complain about the sore bottom he got in the Venture seating, while the hubby and I had problems with our feet going numb instead.
Thank goodness our Eaglette reservations for this coming fall's trip will be in the sleeping car (we even sprang for a bedroom to Ft. Worth & back!), so legroom shouldn't be an issue this time.
The Superliner seats have the "long distance" seat pitch, same as the Amfleet IIs.

Amfleet Is and Horizons have the shorter "corridor" seat pitch.

I am sure someone here will have the exact measurements of those seat pitches, but the Superliners and Amfleet IIs are significantly greater.
 
The Superliner seats have the "long distance" seat pitch, same as the Amfleet IIs.

Amfleet Is and Horizons have the shorter "corridor" seat pitch.

I am sure someone here will have the exact measurements of those seat pitches, but the Superliners and Amfleet IIs are significantly greater.
The coach car we were in may have been a Horizon, then (or an Amfleet I). I know we definitely did not have enough room to stretch out, and the hubby and I would swap seats (between each other only, of course) whenever one of us had to get up, just so we could switch which foot was going numb.
 
Looking for some help with a TE to SL strategy. Planning an October trip with my brother. We plan to take the the Sunset Limited from San Antonio to LA together, in roomettes across from each other, but he'll be starting from Houston and I'll be starting in Oklahoma City. My brother will already be on the SL coming from Houston, so he'll be in his roomette when he arrives San Antonio. However, I'll be coming in on the Texas Eagle and I'm trying to figure out if there's a way for me to stay on the train until I can get to my SL roomette so I can catch some sleep rather than hanging out in the station from 10:16pm when the TE arrives San Antonio until the SL boards for the 2:45am departure. I assume that booking the FTW to SAS portion on 421 rather than 21 would improve my chances of being able to stay on the train until I can get to sunset limited sleeper...is that the case? Any other suggestions or advice? Appreciate it much!
 
421 at FW is the way to stay in the same car at San Antonio. You will have a through reservation to LAX. But you will not be in the same car as your brother unless he books the 421 from San Antonio - right?

Is the goal to get enough sleep or to be in the same car? Obviously you can visit all day in one car and separate for the night; so if it were I, I would book the 421 and meet my bro for breakfast in west Texas, then hang out together during the day and separate for sleep time.
 
421 at FW is the way to stay in the same car at San Antonio. You will have a through reservation to LAX. But you will not be in the same car as your brother unless he books the 421 from San Antonio - right?

Is the goal to get enough sleep or to be in the same car? Obviously you can visit all day in one car and separate for the night; so if it were I, I would book the 421 and meet my bro for breakfast in west Texas, then hang out together during the day and separate for sleep time.
I was hoping to have my cake & eat it too, of course 😏... sleep until they get the trains combined & then move to the SL #1 with hopes of having booked rooms across from each other. I think your suggestion is far more realistic & a good alternative. Thanks for your input!
 
Be sure to get up early the first morning for the Pecos River High Bridge! Perhaps others can chime in with the current timing. It was a highlight of my westbound trip in 1977!

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With the current Poor Time Keeping on the Sunset and Eaglete Routes due to Slow Orders due to Heat,Equipment Problems and Freight Congestion, your chances of seeing the High Bridge Crossing in Daylight are 110%!!!
 
Due to a Freight Derailment North of Austin and Freight Congestion on Wed 7/18, #22 and #21 will be Bustitued between Ft. Worth ( FTW)and San Antonio( SAS).

#22 (7/18) is currently stopped in San Marcos ( 9 AM CDT)and #21(7/17) is running 2 Hours Late in East Texas due to Slow Orders ( Heat) and Freight Congestion.

Supposedly UP Crews are @ the Derailment site,and there is no estimate of how long repairs will take.
 
I was hoping to have my cake & eat it too, of course 😏... sleep until they get the trains combined & then move to the SL #1 with hopes of having booked rooms across from each other. I think your suggestion is far more realistic & a good alternative. Thanks for your input!
Just to let you know of a situation that I observed on the SWC a few years back that leads me to worry that you might not be able to be seated with your brother during a meal. There was a couple in the roomette across from us who we overheard asking the attendant (SCA, I think, but it could have been the dining person) to be seated with their friends who were in a different car. She told them she couldn't guarantee that and appeared irritated with the request as they were rather insistent. It is possible she brushed them off because she may be prejudiced against Amish people (the requestors were Amish) and she said something to us that led us to believe that may be the case. But it is also possible that it might happen to you, but to me it seems doubtful that it would because it was a different train and it seems in general that there are less people on the SL than on the SWC. Also, I wouldn't think it would be that hard to arrange for that especially if you two agree ahead of time what times you are going to eat and have a backup plan for 2nd time slot also.
 
Just to let you know of a situation that I observed on the SWC a few years back that leads me to worry that you might not be able to be seated with your brother during a meal. There was a couple in the roomette across from us who we overheard asking the attendant (SCA, I think, but it could have been the dining person) to be seated with their friends who were in a different car. She told them she couldn't guarantee that and appeared irritated with the request as they were rather insistent. It is possible she brushed them off because she may be prejudiced against Amish people (the requestors were Amish) and she said something to us that led us to believe that may be the case. But it is also possible that it might happen to you, but to me it seems doubtful that it would because it was a different train and it seems in general that there are less people on the SL than on the SWC. Also, I wouldn't think it would be that hard to arrange for that especially if you two agree ahead of time what times you are going to eat and have a backup plan for 2nd time slot also.
Interesting. Of course an SCA cannot make that happen, but an LSA can. Many LSAs have accommodated an OTOL or AU or RPA group on trains where we were traveling together with our accommodations spread out among multiple cars. Indeed they have even accommodated me and @pennyk when we were traveling in different cars but wanted to be seated together for meals. We just made sure to let them know when the meal reservations were taken. Of course for meals for which there is no reservation, one just shows up as a group and present yourself as a group, to get seated together.
 
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Most LSAs are very good @ accomodating groups or special requests for seating in the Diner.


The LSAs on the Pacific Parlor Car on the Starlight were very good about making reservations like this.

On the way to the Portland Gathering, the entire Group of AUers aboard were seated in the very limited seating available in this Sadly missed jewel!
 
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According to an article in Trains,( Paywall) the Texas Eaglete will have an increase in its consist between San Antonio and Chicago sometime this fall on the 3 days a week the Sunset Ltd. connects with the Eaglete in San Antonio.

The switching of Cutout Cars between the Eaglete and Sunset in San Antonio will be eliminated, with the Daily Eaglete gaining a Third Coach and Second Sleeper that will stay with the Eaglete consist during its overnight layover in San Antonio.

The bad News is that there are No plans " this Winter" to add back the Sightseer Lounge and Transition Sleeper that used to be part of the regular Eaglete consist, and that Flex Dining will continue on the Eaglete for an indeterminate period of time.

Left unexplained by an Amtrak Executive,was what the regular consist of the Sunset Ltd would be after this change takes effect.( currently there is only one LAX-NOL Coach and one Sleeper on the Sunset Consist between SAS and NOL, with a Sightseer Lounge and Traditional Dining in the Diner)
 
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According to an article in Trains,( Paywall) the Texas Eaglete will have an increase in its consist between San Antonio and Chicago sometime this fall on the 3 days a week the Sunset Ltd. connects with the Eaglete in San Antonio.

The switching of Cutout Cars between the Eaglete and Sunset in San Antinio will be eliminated, with the Daily Eaglete gaining a Third Coach and Second Sleeper that will stay with the Eaglete consist during its overnight layover in San Antonio.

The bad News is that there are No plans " this Winter" to add back the Sightseer Lounge and Transition Sleeper that used to be part of the regular Eaglete consist, and that Flex Dining will continue on the Eaglete for an indeterminate period of time.

Left unexplained by an Amtrak Executive,was what the regular consist of the Sunset Ltd would be after this change takes effect.( currently there is only one LAX-NOL Coach and one Sleeper on the Sunset Consist between SAS and NOL, with a Sightseer Lounge and Traditional Dining in the Diner)


Reread the article, no more two Superliners sitting in San Antonio for backup. That is a waste of assets. Not seeing clarification on the switching of cars.
 
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Sounds like a cost-cutting issue. There is no need for the crew to switch out the cars. So pax will have to wait inside the station between trains?
Good point! This was not addressed in the article, nor was how the Passengers transferring from the Eaglete to the Sunset will be accommodated in only 1 Sleeper and 2 Coaches between SAS and LAX.
 
Sounds like a cost-cutting issue. There is no need for the crew to switch out the cars. So pax will have to wait inside the station between trains?
Good point! This was not addressed in the article, nor was how the Passengers transferring from the Eaglete to the Sunset will be accommodated in only 1 Sleeper and 2 Coaches between SAS and LAX.

The through cars to LAX, one Sleeper and one Coach will be transferred as usual. The core Eagle consist will remain unchanged between the Sunset days and the non-Sunset days. On Sunset days the Sunset conveyed Sleeper and Coach will simply be tacked on to the core Eagle, so on those days the Eagle will have two additional cars than they do now. So there is no issue of accommodating the LAX through passengers in the cars of the Sunset that comes from/goes to New Orleans

On the non Sunset days there will be no car switching to do at SAS. At present apparently two cars are taken off and kept there. Originally they were kept as protect cars and were a phenomenally poor equipment utilization.

Additionally there will be a St. Louis drop Coach.

Here is the Trains article that explains it, for those that can access it. It may be behind a pay wall for some. The relevant text is quoted below the link.

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-rev...dedicated-sunset-through-cars-special-report/

Trains.com said:
For more than two decades, an Eagle Superliner coach and sleeper from Chicago would either be conveyed to the Sunset or sit idle for as many as five days if the cars happened to arrive on an evening when the Sunset didn’t operate.

Amtrak lived with the inefficiency, in part, because a multi-hours-late train from Los Angeles during Union Pacific’s early 2000s meltdown period would jeopardize an on-time eastbound Texas Eagle San Antonio departure.

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Now, starting in September on Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday out of both Chicago and San Antonio, the Eagle will operate with two sleeping cars and three coaches; an additional Chicago-St. Louis coach will continue to be added daily to augment capacity on the Lincoln Service corridor.
 
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The through cars to LAX, one Sleeper and one Coach will be transferred as usual. The core Eagle consist will remain unchanged between the Sunset days and the non-Sunset days. On Sunset days the Sunset conveyed Sleeper and Coach will simply be tacked on to the Eagle, so on those days the Eagle will have two additional cars than they do now. So there is no issue of accommodating the LAX through passengers in the cars of the Sunset that comes from/goes to New Orleans

On the non Sunset days there will be no car switching to do at SAS. At present apparently two cars are taken off and kept there. Originally they were kept as protect cars and were a phenomenally poor equipment utilization.

Additionally there will be a St. Louis drop Coach.

Here is the Trains article that explains it, for those that can access it. It may be behind a pay wall for some. The relevant text is quoted below the link.

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-rev...dedicated-sunset-through-cars-special-report/
Thanks jis, as usual your clarification of Amtrak announcements makes it clear that Amtrak does a poor job of communicating with their customers!😉
 
Thanks jis, as usual your clarification of Amtrak announcements makes it clear that Amtrak does a poor job of communicating with their customers!😉
You are most welcome. Actually the caption of the photo by Bob Johnston clarified it for me when put together with the text of the article.

Besides, even for Amtrak it did not make any sense to simply have people transfer from one train to the other in the middle of the night, so I tried to make sure what was actually being said.
 
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So three days a week the TE will have two sleepers, Diner car and three coaches. But the same sleeper, Diner and two coaches the rest of the week?
 
So three days a week the TE will have two sleepers, Diner car and three coaches. But the same sleeper, Diner and two coaches the rest of the week?
The bottom line is, after one removes the LAX cars, the core consist that is left will be the same on all 7 days of the week. The through cars will truly become a separate train consist like for example the BOS section of Lake Shore or the PDX section of the Empire Builder are, except that the LAX section will get common service cars from the Sunset between SAS and LAX and from the Eagle between CHI and SAS, instead of carrying its own Lounge/Cafe.
 
Yep, the Eaglete will continue to be a poor shadow of itself on non Sunset Days!🥺🤬
Actually on Sunset days in effect it will have two more cars than now. But still no SSL or Transdorm.
 
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