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Due to partial relocation, Chinese trains are going to be a regular part of my future, much to my excitement.
Chinese sleeper trains, from my perspective, have something of a legendary reputation: crowded, crazy and not for the faint hearted - and definitely not for those who lack the ability to squat. At $125 a ticket (this price point earns you a bunk), it definitely beats the Acela.

Thankfully, the new Fuxing high speed sleepers deployed on high value routes across China upgrade the experience somewhat, while retaining some of that storied craziness. From what I understand, these are the only high speed sleeper trains in the world. Hong Kong has long been connected to China via rail but it was only in 2018 - with the opening of the gargantuan West Kowloon station - that the first high speed trains began operating directly. Since then, China Railways has added a vast number of daily high speed departures to most major Chinese cities. In June 2024, CR added two Fuxing HS sleeper routes to HK: Beijing and Shanghai.

The previous night train to Shanghai was a bucket list item for me that I will sadly never get to experience. The last slow sleeper train to depart the 1980's era Hung Hom station was in 2020. The route has since become a Covid casualty with no plans to re-introduce the service. It is now commonly understood that the high speed trains have effectively replaced the slow trains.

Boarding at Shanghai Hongqiao was astonishingly easy.
The station is very simple to navigate, even without any knowledge of Chinese. It is no guarantee that CR officials will speak English however, so be prepared to translate if needed. The train station itself is monstrous - it’s hard to fathom how large Chinese high speed rail stations are until you actually see them. They dwarf every other train station that I’ve seen except for perhaps Tokyo.
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We arrived with an hour to spare, but in reality we only needed 20 minutes. In the reverse direction - because of the boarder crossing within HK West Kowloon station - it’s advisable to arrive 90 minutes before your departure.

They open the gates 15 minutes before departure, and the trains leave dead on time. Thankfully, I was easily able to snap a picture of the front of our CRRC built train. China really has to be admired for their fast learning curve with railway technology.
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The trains offer three classes: Second class, premium class, and sleeper class.
The sleeper class consists of rooms with four bunks (2 bunk beds) and a small table covered with a table cloth. They provide hot water pot, tissues, as well as some boxed snacks, and a nice flower on the table. The top bunks contained all of the comforters and pillows.
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The standard of cleanliness was high - or at least higher than Amtrak roomettes. But that isn't saying a lot. My wife brought a plastic tarp, anchored by heavier in-room objects that provided a clean surface for our toddler.

The food options on the train were plentiful. The dining car had a rather extensive eastern-western hybrid menu, and one has the option to dine-in-room with food delivered. We did not try any food on board the train, as we had had dinner in the city before the 8:15pm departure. Based on what I saw, I would imagine the quality is lower than Amtrak traditional dining, with some surprises here and there. I imagine the quality of food on some of the longer, slower sleeper trains is more comparable to traditional dining. In addition to the dining car, one could pre-order food from establishments at future stations, and a courier would be ready platform-side to deliver it to you during the station stop. Given the hours that the night train runs however, most station establishments were closed.

Because I am more used to Amtrak night trains, the high speed night train took some getting used to. The ride quality was very high (though not to Tokaido Shinkansen levels) and the smooth up and down of slopes at speeds did cause mild nausea at first. When we finally laid down to sleep however, the sickness went away. Unfortunately, the rowdy crowd of mahjong playing seniors never died down - I would imagine Chinese night trains will never disappoint in this respect.

The ride is 11 hours - if you can help it, avoid using the squat toilet. Its an acquired taste that I have yet to acquire. That said, this picture is from the morning. Somehow, this bathroom remained rather clean all things considered.
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The train arrived dead on time in West Kowloon station. The platforms are walled off individually, so the 14 other tracks are not visible sadly. The sheer size of the 'train shed' just isn't visible - feels much more like a subway station than anything else. That main hall, as well as the station as a whole, is a true modern marvel, and may be the single most impressive train station in the world (albeit with an unfortunate caveat of CCP dominance). It is very well integrated into the MTR network, and is walking distance from Tsim Sha Tsui and other major malls, attractions, and housing.
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Being able to cover 1200 miles in one night is nothing short of incredible (the 1500 mile route to Beijing even more incredible). The fact that none of this existed in 2008 is even more miraculous.
 
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The last slow sleeper train to depart the 1980's era Hung Hom station was in 2020. The route has since become a Covid casualty with no plans to re-introduce the service. It is now commonly understood that the high speed trains have effectively replaced the slow trains.
Much of the Chinese low speed train stock has been sold or gifted to other countries in Asia as stopgap/goodwill gestures while the BRI expands.

The platforms are walled off individually, so the 14 other tracks are not visible sadly. The sheer size of the 'train shed' just isn't visible - feels much more like a subway station than anything else.
Such a pity. For much of human history large open spaces inside man made structures were difficult or impossible to build. We are blessed to live in a time where it's almost trivial to design huge open areas with clear views in every direction, and yet much of we do build is walled off and almost claustrophobic.

The ride is 11 hours - if you can help it, avoid using the squat toilet. Its an acquired taste that I have yet to acquire.
Even with Pepto pills eleven hours would be an endurance run for many. Are train stations also limited to squat style?
 
May I ask how you bought your tickets? In advance and if so through which outlet, or at the station?
And also, do you or your wife speak any Chinese?

Many thanks
We bought our tickets on the sleeper train via Trip.com, though purchasing through the app, Railway12306 is also quite common.
We never printed, received or presented anything other than passports/HK IDs to enter the station and board the train; astonishingly seamless. Chinese and HK citizens receive an sms text when tickets are purchased as a confirmation. You can purchase tickets at the station, though the sleeper train fills rather quickly.

My wife is fluent in both cantonese and mandarin. My cantonese is passable for certain situations.

Much of the Chinese low speed train stock has been sold or gifted to other countries in Asia as stopgap/goodwill gestures while the BRI expands.


Such a pity. For much of human history large open spaces inside man made structures were difficult or impossible to build. We are blessed to live in a time where it's almost trivial to design huge open areas with clear views in every direction, and yet much of we do build is walled off and almost claustrophobic.


Even with Pepto pills eleven hours would be an endurance run for many. Are train stations also limited to squat style?
Agreed. I did not visit a bathroom in any station other than Hongqiao station - those were regular toilets, and the bathrooms were decently clean.
 
Excuse my ignorance, but when using a translator then Cantonese is the language that would be most commonly used?
Cantonese is the dialect of Chinese most spoken in Hong Kong and the Bay Area (Guangzhou, Macau, Shenzhen, Zhuhai). Mandarin is the official dialect of mainland China, and is spoken in Shanghai and most cities. I say dialect, but it really is a separate language.

In general, your best bet is mandarin when in mainland China. Many cantonese speakers likely speak mandarin, and mandarin speakers don’t often speak cantonese.

Edit: to be clear, there are also different dialects of mandarin, but what Duolingo would teach you will be fine for getting around. It’s also the simplest dialect of Chinese to learn if you are not used to tonal languages.
 
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That is very helpful indeed, thank you.

This journey will also take me to the far west of China where I gather there are other regional differences, would what you write above also apply there too?
 
That is very helpful indeed, thank you.

This journey will also take me to the far west of China where I gather there are other regional differences, would what you write above also apply there too?
Mandarin will take care of 95% of your needs - especially as a tourist. Unless you really are planning on visiting some far flung places, I doubt you’d run into any trouble translating.

For tourists, mandarin is the only language you really need to learn and translate, especially if you’re not visiting Hong Kong. But in HK, everyone more or less speaks English (or at least more English than any foreigner’s Chinese).
 
There's a train service to Kashgar so that will be my far west destination arriving via Urumqi. Will also travel to SW China then on to Hong Kong before ending the journey in Shanghai, all made possible by the amount of rail coverage in China.

You have been a big help to get my planning started, I'll leave you in peace now!

Thank you
 
There's a train service to Kashgar so that will be my far west destination arriving via Urumqi. Will also travel to SW China then on to Hong Kong before ending the journey in Shanghai, all made possible by the amount of rail coverage in China.

You have been a big help to get my planning started, I'll leave you in peace now!

Thank you
No worries! I'm jealous of your trip - Urumqi is on my bucket list.

Please don't hesitate to PM me if you have further questions. And whenever you're in Hong Kong, reach out.
Enjoy planning and taking your trip!
 
Much of the Chinese low speed train stock has been sold or gifted to other countries in Asia as stopgap/goodwill gestures while the BRI expands.
What would those countries be?

I understand the Koreas are standard gauge, but isn't most of the rest of SE Asia narrow gauge, and Pakistian/India/Bangladesh etc broad gauge.
 
I understand the Koreas are standard gauge, but isn't most of the rest of SE Asia narrow gauge, and Pakistian/India/Bangladesh etc broad gauge.
Yes, Korea is standard gauge. The high speed lines in Japan and Taiwan are standard gauge, but the rest of their systems are 3'-6" (1065 mm). What is left of the Philippine system is also 3'-6". Most of the southeast Asian countries, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia (if any left), Malaysia are meter gauge (3'-3 3/8"). Indonesia is 3'-6" (1065 mm). Mongolia's one railroad line is Russian gauge, 5'-0" (1524 mm). I think the railroad line from the Chinese border to Hanoi is standard gauge. I think a good bit of Bangladesh is still meter gauge and there are still some meter gauge lines in India.
 
Technically Russian Gauge today is 1520mm. Finnish Gauge is 1524mm. In reality the difference is too small to make any material difference.

India has no Meter Gauge main line left. It has a few tourist lines and of course the Nilgiri Railway to Ooty.

Bangladesh does have a lot of Meter Gauge, but quite a bit of it is dual gauge now (1667mm and 1000mm)
 
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