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Some more good news with respect to locking up the HSIPR stimulus funding, this time for the Amtrak NEC upgrade project in NJ and the NY/LIRR Harold Interlocking Bypass project in Queens.

Press release on US DOT website: "Secretary LaHood Announces NEARLY $745 Million IN RAIL FUNDING for Major Upgrades & CONSTRUCTION Along Northeast Corridor" at http://www.dot.gov/affairs/2011/dot11011.html . There are some rather interesting items in this release such as the Acela replacement is expected to be able to run at speeds up to 186 mph on the 24 mile straightaway in NJ?! The Acela IIs will blow by the NJ Transit train running at 60 or 70 mph at 186 mph? The FRA will go along with this? 186 mph on the center tracks through NJ Transit stations should make for some fun videos.

I'm quoting the entire US DOT press release, because there are interesting statements in it, although the claim for number of jobs created is as usual in these things, clearly on the exaggerated side:

"Improvements Will Allow Future Amtrak Acela Service to Reach Speeds of 186 mph WASHINGTON – U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood today announced nearly $745 million for construction along the Northeast Corridor (NEC) to upgrade some of the most heavily-used sections. The NEC will receive $449.94 million to upgrade electrical systems and tracks between Trenton, NJ and New York City, resulting in improved on-time performance and reliability, and an initial increase in top operating speeds up to 160 mph and future maximum speeds of 186 mph. Another $294.78 million will alleviate major delays for trains coming in and out of Manhattan with new routes that allow Amtrak trains to bypass the busiest passenger rail junction in the nation.

“These grants are a win for our economy and a win for commuters all along the Northeast Corridor,” said Secretary LaHood. “We are creating new construction jobs, ordering American-made supplies and improving transportation opportunities across a region where 50 million Americans live and work.”

Today’s announcement is part of the Obama Administration’s unprecedented capital investment in the Northeast Corridor, and the improvements will allow for the fastest passenger train speeds attained in North America to date. Thanks to these investments, Acela Express trains will soon reach up to 160 mph (up from 135 mph today) along a 24-mile segment of the corridor between Trenton and New Brunswick, NJ, with the replacement of electrical catenary, supplemented power supply, and modernized signals and tracks. In the future, as Amtrak purchases new, next generation high-speed train sets, passengers will travel at world-class speeds of 186 mph along the improved track.

Improvements to the Harold Interlocking rail junction in Queens will eliminate congestion between intercity and commuter trains and allow for the future growth of high-speed service along the corridor. A new flyover will separate Amtrak trains travelling between New York and Boston from Long Island Railroad and Metro-North commuter trains, and NJ Transit trains accessing Sunnyside Maintenance Yard in Queens.

“With gas prices on the rise and congestion clogging our roads, more and more Americans are choosing to travel by train,” said Federal Railroad Administrator Joseph C. Szabo. “With our population expected to grow by 100 million more people between now and 2050, we are investing in a high-speed rail system that connects to other modes of transportation, reduces congestion and improves the efficiency and reliability of travel in America. Increasing speeds and improving service on the Northeast Corridor, which is the most heavily-traveled passenger rail corridor in the nation, is a crucial part of our effort.”

Both projects are expected to generate 12,000 jobs. Pre-construction work between Trenton and New York City will begin in late 2011, with initial construction commencing in 2012. The project is expected to create 400 jobs per year over the period of construction. Through the Obama Administration’s strict implementation of the “Buy America” requirement, the opportunity for U.S. manufacturers and suppliers continues as more than 100 miles of wire, hundreds of catenary poles, and a large volume of electrical equipment such as transformers will be used as part of the upgrades.

Construction on Harold Interlocking will begin in September 2012, creating 9,200 jobs over the length of the project, and include the procurement of new switches, miles of track, concrete ties, bridges, signal towers, catenary poles, and retaining walls.

Thirty-two states across the U.S. and the District of Columbia are currently laying the foundation for high-speed rail corridors to link Americans with faster and more energy-efficient travel options. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and annual appropriations have provided $10.1 billion to put America on track towards providing new and expanded rail access to communities and improving the reliability, speed, and frequency of existing service. Of that, more than $7.3 billion has been obligated to date."
 
What is the Harold interlock?

I have noticed a small building with a Harold sign on the

LIRR Port Washington branch train route.
 
Why wait a year. Get started? Wait wait wait. We need to sto waiting a year to do things on this country.
The Harold Interlocking bypass is part of the rather large $6 billion plus East Side Access (ESA) project for LIRR trains to run to a new deep station under Grand Central. The bypass project has to be coordinated with the new tunnels and access tracks being built in Queens, so they presumably have to wait until other work is complete. Besides, the funding is a bit of a windfall for MTA/LIRR, so they likely have a lot of work to do on getting the contracts and work agreements in place.

The Amtrak project will start pre-construction before the end of this year which is pretty fast for a major $450 million project. That project, BTW, as described by Amtrak has two parts: 1) upgrade electrical power, signal systems, track and overhead catenary wires between Morrisville PA, and New Brunswick NJ; 2) reconfigure track switches at the western entrance to New York Penn Station to mitigate congestion issues.
 
Harold Interlocking is the place where the NEC diverges from the LIRR main line and Sunnyside Yard tracks to cross the Hell Gate Bridge.
 
There are two interlocking between the point where the East River Tunnels come out in Queens and the point where LIRR heads east and the old New York Connecting Railroad, now the Hell Gate Line diverges north towards Hell Gate bridge. The eastern end of this jumble of tracks is controlled by Harold and the west end by the tunnels is controlled by "F".

The specific bypass track that is funded is what will be the normally eastbound track which will bypass Harold via grade separation and connect F interlocking directly to the extreme east end of Harold interlocking, on the Hell Gate Line, thus allowing Amtrak trains to sail through the mess unhindered. The corresponding westbound bypass is already funded and substantial work has been completed on its roadbed.

On the matter of 186mph on the New Brunswick - Trenton segment, I believe Mr. LaHood is taking a bit of hyperbolic license. Upto 160mph will work with current track center spacings. Beyond that they will require to increase track center spacing to something like 15', which will require realigning of all four tracks and widening of the ROW, which I do not believe is currently funded. But as far as political puffery goes, this is relatively minor, since I believe most of the ROW already has enough space there for the spreading out of the tracks. They will need to rebuild both Princeton Jct and Hamilton stations though.
 
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Why wait a year. Get started? Wait wait wait. We need to sto waiting a year to do things on this country.
It takes time to place orders and get materials delivered and finalize designs and all that. I can understand why there would be a lead time of a year or so. They do have to complete the work by 2017 or lose funding though.
 
Sounds like good news so far, exaggerations not withstanding.

Can anyone familiar with the details offer any guidance on how much or how little risk there is for reactionary defunding of this project prior to completion?
 
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Sounds good. Now, get the funds obligated before any legislators issue rescissions. Don't let my taxpayer $$$ go for nothing.
 
Sounds like good news so far, exaggerations not withstanding.

Can anyone familiar with the details offer any guidance on how much or how little risk there is for reactionary defunding of this project prior to completion?
The federal funds have been obligated which, in effect, means the federal government has signed a contract to dispense the funds upon completion of the various stages of the project. Much more difficult and thus unlikely for the House Republicans to defund the projects. Which is the why the push to get the funds obligated for the HSIPR stimulus projects.

As of August 22, there are 86 HSIPR projects from ARRA (stimulus), FY2009, FY2010 grants obligated for a total of $7.36 billion. (See http://www.fra.dot.gov/rpd/HSIPR/ProjectFunding.aspx). There have been around 30 projects obligated in the past month or so. The House Republicans probably share some credit for getting the state DOTs, Amtrak, and the FRA to hurry up and get the funding put to work.
 
Thanks for info. This will move much faster than englewood flyover in Chicago.
The Englewood Flyover project funding was obligated several months ago and construction work was supposed to start this summer or fall. So some actual construction work may be visible soon.
 
Sounds good. Now, get the funds obligated before any legislators issue rescissions. Don't let my taxpayer $$$ go for nothing.
As afigg clarifies above, the funds were obligated today.

It sure will be a delight to see constant tension catenary go up on the corridor over the next several years.

BTW, Last weekend I noticed that Amtrak has made great strides in installing ACSES transponders all the way from Secaucus Jct to New Brunswick. They are now using a much smaller form factor transponder than the originals that they used. They have also completed installing them most of the way to Philly from Fair (Trenton).

They have a pretty tight schedule for this one, so work will move relatively fast once they have materials delivered. I doubt that they will sit around and make a fiasco of it like the New Haven - Boston electrification, at least I hope they won't.
 
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Sounds like good news so far, exaggerations not withstanding.

Can anyone familiar with the details offer any guidance on how much or how little risk there is for reactionary defunding of this project prior to completion?
The federal funds have been obligated which, in effect, means the federal government has signed a contract to dispense the funds upon completion of the various stages of the project. Much more difficult and thus unlikely for the House Republicans to defund the projects. Which is the why the push to get the funds obligated for the HSIPR stimulus projects.
Correct! Defunding this project now would be akin to failing to pay off a loan. It would call everything that the Fed has agreed to fund and signed a contract for into question and result in every credit service downgrading the US, something that no politician would ever want attached to their name.
 
From the Press Release:

Today’s announcement is part of the Obama Administration’s unprecedented capital investment in the Northeast Corridor, and the improvements will allow for the fastest passenger train speeds attained in North America to date.
Unprecedented? How about the Northeast Corridor Improvement Project of the 1970's which cost $1.75 billion, and that was in 1970's dollars. In 2011 dollars, that is equal to $7 billion dollars. How about the New Haven to Boston electrification in the late 1990's, which cost $800 million, in 1990's dollars ($1.2 billion in 2011).

It's nice to improve one interlocking and and upgrade 24 miles of electrification, but this project is not anywhere near the scale of the prior NEC projects.
 
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From the Press Release:

Today’s announcement is part of the Obama Administration’s unprecedented capital investment in the Northeast Corridor, and the improvements will allow for the fastest passenger train speeds attained in North America to date.
Unprecedented? How about the Northeast Corridor Improvement Project of the 1970's which cost $1.75 billion, and that was in 1970's dollars. In 2011 dollars, that is equal to $7 billion dollars. How about the New Haven to Boston electrification in the late 1990's, which cost $800 million, in 1990's dollars ($1.2 billion in 2011).

It's nice to improve one interlocking and and upgrade 24 miles of electrification, but this project is not anywhere near the scale of the prior NEC projects.
Well, you know how political puffery goes :)

Actually there are three interlockings that will be substantially improved/replaced - Midway, Ham and Fair. The last two is what will make 135mph possible through Trenton all the way to Morris.

Incidentally they finally managed to complete the New Haven - Boston electrification as originally planned, with the completion of electrification of the third track through the Southwest Corridor Trench in Boston this year!

What is not clear to me is what they exactly mean when they talk of 186mph. In order to get there it will require increasing track center spacing to something like 15 feet, and will involved tearing down and rebuilding of both Princeton Jct., and Hamilton. I don't believe that is funded in this round, though I believe there is enough space in the ROW to achieve that. But then again it would probably mean getting rid of all the current electrification poles to make room. I guess it is time to poke around among my Amtrak friends and see whether that is something that LaHood's office dreamed up, or they actually have any concrete thing they will do with this funding relative to that.
 
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Correct! Defunding this project now would be akin to failing to pay off a loan. It would call everything that the Fed has agreed to fund and signed a contract for into question and result in every credit service downgrading the US, something that no politician would ever want attached to their name.
Incorrect! Withdrawing project funding that has not been spent is not akin to failing to pay off a loan.

Any project can be stopped at any time. As long as all the money actually spent by contractors is paid, there is no default. It would have no affect on credit rating because no one who spent money or provided services would go unpaid. You stop work, collect and pay the bills, pay any termination penalties built into contracts (standard boilerplate), and that's it.

Having worked with federal and state funded work for years, jobs can be stopped at anytime for any reason. Everyone gets paid, shakes hands, and then goes home.
 
The other thing is, our politician geniuses have already established the fact that they are not terribly concerned about credit ratings downgrade (indeed some have stated so in black and white), provided they are able to make their political point in the process. ;)

The fact of the matter is that it is unlikely that a rescission of already obligated funds will be pursued by anyone because the return on the political capital expended is not terribly attractive.

But this is getting OT to some extent.
 
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Have to agree with PRR60! I worked in Govt. contracting @ the Local, Stae and Federal Level (mostly all Federal $$$ involved!)for most of my working life, and Cancellations ("defunding "used to be the word!)happened all the time! Long as the provisions of the contract were followed, ie payoffs, everyone banked the checks and got ready for the next project! Lawyers and other Professionals (ie Architecs/Engineers/Consultants etc.) did get their cut, that's SOP in Government Contracting! :rolleyes:

Here in Austin the City Council is in the middle of deciding whether or not to Cancel (Mothball is the word being used)the completion of a Billion dollar water treatment plant that most agree is not needed! (aka a boondoggle! :angry2: )The Mayor and the Chicken Little Boosters in the Develop Austin Crowd, are claiming that it will cost hundreds of millions, ruin our Bond Rating and the Sky will Fall! Such is life in Political Circles! And Alan, Private Contracting is not like Government Smoke and Mirrors, so in theory you are right, but in Actual Practice the Political Circus is the "Decider" as another Texas Governor was want to say!(And how's that Texas Governor thinghy working for ya!)

And remember when "Bringing Home the Bacon"(Earmarks) was considered a Good thing by Politicians, now they all seem sacred to death to take credit for getting Money for their Homies!!) :wacko:
 
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What is the technical reason for needing wider track spacing for 186mph?
Yes. More space is needed to allow for the bow waves of two trains crossing each other to dissipate without flipping one or both of them over. 15' is pretty much the ballpark for speeds above 150/160mph
 
What is the technical reason for needing wider track spacing for 186mph?
Yes. More space is needed to allow for the bow waves of two trains crossing each other to dissipate without flipping one or both of them over. 15' is pretty much the ballpark for speeds above 150/160mph
Maybe you should send Secretary LaHood an e-mail about that. I don't think he likes to let such details get in the way of a good press release.
 
What is the technical reason for needing wider track spacing for 186mph?
Yes. More space is needed to allow for the bow waves of two trains crossing each other to dissipate without flipping one or both of them over. 15' is pretty much the ballpark for speeds above 150/160mph
Maybe you should send Secretary LaHood an e-mail about that. I don't think he likes to let such details get in the way of a good press release.
If he has a chat with the folks at FRA who work for him, he can hear it from the proverbial horse's mouth :)
 
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