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We were considering an AutoTrain trip next year and as always are flexible on the dates. We usually like to vacation from early June to early Sept so I checked a few dates way out in 2011 and was surprised to see that the AutoTrain is heavily booked. High bucket sleeper fares come up for even most days in August and Sept. Judging by the heavy bookings Amtrak is probably going to make a ton of money on the AT next year. I've never seen it so busy but if TSA keeps up the ugly degrading imoral intrusion called security at airports,I predict train travel will explode next year.

We used to be able to get a decent price on the AT even 2 or 3 months out. No more!
 
I checked a few dates way out in 2011 and was surprised to see that the AutoTrain is heavily booked. High bucket sleeper fares come up for even most days in August and Sept. Judging by the heavy bookings Amtrak is probably going to make a ton of money on the AT next year.
How many bedrooms did you attempt to purchase?
 
I checked a few dates way out in 2011 and was surprised to see that the AutoTrain is heavily booked. High bucket sleeper fares come up for even most days in August and Sept. Judging by the heavy bookings Amtrak is probably going to make a ton of money on the AT next year.
How many bedrooms did you attempt to purchase?
Here's my costs for trip in April. I booked about three months ago.

Depart: 4:00 pm, Fri, Apr 15, 2011

Arrive: 9:29 am, Sat, Apr 16, 2011

Duration: 17 hr, 29 min

2 NARP $186.00

Discount - $18.60

2 AAA Child $93.00

Discount - $9.30

2 Bedrooms $574.00

Subtotal $825.10

Oversized Vehicle $169.00
 
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I checked a few dates way out in 2011 and was surprised to see that the AutoTrain is heavily booked. High bucket sleeper fares come up for even most days in August and Sept. Judging by the heavy bookings Amtrak is probably going to make a ton of money on the AT next year.
How many bedrooms did you attempt to purchase?
Here's my costs for trip in April. I booked about three months ago.

Depart: 4:00 pm, Fri, Apr 15, 2011

Arrive: 9:29 am, Sat, Apr 16, 2011

Duration: 17 hr, 29 min

2 NARP $186.00

Discount - $18.60

2 AAA Child $93.00

Discount - $9.30

2 Bedrooms $574.00

Subtotal $825.10
I don't have the actual breakdown, but back in early November we booked round-trip on the AutoTrain for February. For 4 adults (AAA), 3 bedrooms, and one oversized vehicle, our round trip fare is $3100.

Dave
 
I used the popular Amsnag resource and were getting prices of up to $868 for a bedroom add on cost. There were a few less expensive dates but not that many.
Are you sure you're measuring the correct data? Cost is not always equal to availability. Some of the cheapest rooms I've ever purchased were the last rooms available.
 
I remember discussion some time ago about travel agents blocking massive quantities of bedrooms for later sale, pushing remaining inventory into higher buckets. As travel time approaches, the agents dump their unsold inventory at $0 cost. I wonder if some of that is going on here?
 
I used the popular Amsnag resource and were getting prices of up to $868 for a bedroom add on cost. There were a few less expensive dates but not that many.
Are you sure you're measuring the correct data? Cost is not always equal to availability. Some of the cheapest rooms I've ever purchased were the last rooms available.
Yes I've experienced this phenomenon myself. I can only assume that the travel agents have something to do with this. On the popular routes it seems that you can usually get a low bucket room when you book 11 months out (as soon as the rooms open up) then the prices seem to rise quickly and then drop when you least expect them too. It just makes no sense.
 
Travel agents that book blocks of rooms do so because they want to put together a package deal for their customers, like for example a leaf peeper run in the fall. I don't think that I've ever heard of a package deal that includes tour guides where you drive your own cars.

I suppose anything is possible, but I don't believe that the Auto train is one train that gets hit by travel agents for blocks of rooms.
 
Travel agents that book blocks of rooms do so because they want to put together a package deal for their customers, like for example a leaf peeper run in the fall. I don't think that I've ever heard of a package deal that includes tour guides where you drive your own cars.I suppose anything is possible, but I don't believe that the Auto train is one train that gets hit by travel agents for blocks of rooms.

Good One, Alan!!
 
Travel agents that book blocks of rooms do so because they want to put together a package deal for their customers, like for example a leaf peeper run in the fall. I don't think that I've ever heard of a package deal that includes tour guides where you drive your own cars.

I suppose anything is possible, but I don't believe that the Auto train is one train that gets hit by travel agents for blocks of rooms.
I can only speculate why the A/T seems to be booking so fast. Perhaps it is that all of the snowbirds and college students coming home or heading out have their schedules in place for 2011. I would venture to say that the AutoTrain is the train most likely to have a steady clientele of repeat customers. In the dining car especially at breakfast time I often sit with 3 other guys (whos wives were still sleeping)and its most often that they are retirees heading to Florida for the winter. Some still have residences up North, others just come to stay with their children for a while. These people are usually seasonal travelers and have their travel periods set and perhaps booked 11 months out.
 
I can only speculate why the A/T seems to be booking so fast. Perhaps it is that all of the snowbirds and college students coming home or heading out have their schedules in place for 2011.
Have you tried to book the maximum number of bedrooms on any of these days? If not I don't think you can claim that the trains are fully booked.
 
I just tried for 6 bedrooms for a weekend in May 2011, and it seems to work OK (of course, I didn't go far enough to actually book them).

Interesting, the website is offering me a $344.50 discount off the total rail fare. I wonder why? I did NOT select any of the discounts (Military, AAA, etc).
 
Interesting, the website is offering me a $344.50 discount off the total rail fare. I wonder why? I did NOT select any of the discounts (Military, AAA, etc).
I don't ride the Auto-Train as there's not one anywhere near me, but when I buy bedrooms on the Texas Eagle or the Sunset Limited I get an automatic "discount" down to the lowest coach fee for that portion of the fare. I have no idea why they sell their accommodations this way but there you go.
 
Judging by the heavy bookings Amtrak is probably going to make a ton of money on the AT next year. I've never seen it so busy but if TSA keeps up the ugly degrading imoral intrusion called security at airports,I predict train travel will explode next year.
I would expect the recent rise in gas prices to above $3/gallon will do more to increase ridership on Amtrak than even the TSA scanners and, ahem, hands-on inspections. People are sensitive to price points, so an increase above the $3 level is going to have an effect. For the AutoTrain, which competes directly with the long drive on I-95 to Florida, higher gas prices are going to be even more significant in increasing ridership than for most of the other trains.

Hope Amtrak can complete getting all 60 sidelined Amfleets and 21 Superliner wreck repairs funded by the stimulus money back into service in the near future because they will need the extra capacity. No chance of getting new equipment purchases into service anytime soon, but at least getting the stored and wrecked cars back into service will help.

Does the AT vary the number of sleeper and coach cars between the peak and slow seasons? If Amtrak has the extra Autorack cars available, do they add an extra sleeper or coach car for the peak travel periods? If gas stays above $3 gallon, it may be hard to book a trip on the AT, even at higher prices, in the near future.
 
Judging by the heavy bookings Amtrak is probably going to make a ton of money on the AT next year. I've never seen it so busy but if TSA keeps up the ugly degrading imoral intrusion called security at airports,I predict train travel will explode next year.
I would expect the recent rise in gas prices to above $3/gallon will do more to increase ridership on Amtrak than even the TSA scanners and, ahem, hands-on inspections. People are sensitive to price points, so an increase above the $3 level is going to have an effect. For the AutoTrain, which competes directly with the long drive on I-95 to Florida, higher gas prices are going to be even more significant in increasing ridership than for most of the other trains.
When gas hit $4 in 2008, ridership surged big time at Amtrak and for that matter on all trains & buses. People are definitely driven by price more than any other factor. In fact, that surge coupled with the recession in 2009 is what made it look like for the first time in years ridership on trains had gone down. However, if one compares 2007 to 2009, one can actually see that ridership on trains is still trending up, even if it did so more slowly in 2009 & 2010 because of the recession. It was the abnormal growth in 2008 because of the gas prices that allowed critics to say that ridership went down.

Hope Amtrak can complete getting all 60 sidelined Amfleets and 21 Superliner wreck repairs funded by the stimulus money back into service in the near future because they will need the extra capacity. No chance of getting new equipment purchases into service anytime soon, but at least getting the stored and wrecked cars back into service will help.
As of December 1st, things were moving along rather decently. The worst category was the 20 Amfleet I's that are being converted from food service cars into coaches. Obviously that takes more work than just bringing a car out of mothballs. So far only 5 have been completed. Turning to the rest of the Amfleet I's that were either mothballed or wrecked, 27 out 35 cars have been released.

For the Amfleet II cars, the long distance cars, 4 out of 4 coach wrecks have been returned to service, as has 1 out of 1 food service cars. The later also was converted from its original cafe configuration to the Diner-Lite configuration.

Regarding the Superliners, out of 20 cars wrecked 11 have now been returned to service.

Does the AT vary the number of sleeper and coach cars between the peak and slow seasons? If Amtrak has the extra Autorack cars available, do they add an extra sleeper or coach car for the peak travel periods? If gas stays above $3 gallon, it may be hard to book a trip on the AT, even at higher prices, in the near future.
Amtrak has always varied the AT's consist from peak to off peak, changing the number of coaches, diners, and sleepers to reflect the demand. However the peak consist that they currently run is the maximum that they can run. Even if they had more cars to add to the consist, they cannot add them because they cannot supply enough head end power (HEP) also called hotel power to the cars.

While the engines could supply more power in theory, the cables and electrical circuits cannot handle any more power. They'd melt, or worse, if Amtrak tried to push any more power through the cables.
 
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Amtrak has always varied the AT's consist from peak to off peak, changing the number of coaches, diners, and sleepers to reflect the demand. However the peak consist that they currently run is the maximum that they can run. Even if they had more cars to add to the consist, they cannot add them because they cannot supply enough head end power (HEP) also called hotel power to the cars.
While the engines could supply more power in theory, the cables and electrical circuits cannot handle any more power. They'd melt, or worse, if Amtrak tried to push any more power through the cables.
There must be a way to do it if they want to. We've been on the AutoTrain when it was full house; nearly 3/4 mile long with something like 250 automobiles and 400 passengers. The two engine head end seemed to be able to supply the power needs for 3 dining cars, 2 lounge cars plus maybe 6 or 7 sleepers and six coaches.
 
Amtrak has always varied the AT's consist from peak to off peak, changing the number of coaches, diners, and sleepers to reflect the demand. However the peak consist that they currently run is the maximum that they can run. Even if they had more cars to add to the consist, they cannot add them because they cannot supply enough head end power (HEP) also called hotel power to the cars.
While the engines could supply more power in theory, the cables and electrical circuits cannot handle any more power. They'd melt, or worse, if Amtrak tried to push any more power through the cables.
There must be a way to do it if they want to. We've been on the AutoTrain when it was full house; nearly 3/4 mile long with something like 250 automobiles and 400 passengers. The two engine head end seemed to be able to supply the power needs for 3 dining cars, 2 lounge cars plus maybe 6 or 7 sleepers and six coaches.
Well of course there is a way to do it, the problem is that it would be a huge expense to rewire all the cars & engines and update the electronics in each car to handle higher voltages. And then of course that equipment would then forever be locked into the Auto Train as it would be incompatible with the rest of Amtrak's equipment. That means that if they have another disaster like the derailment in Florida several years ago, they can't steal a sleeper from some other train to try to plug the hole.
 
The real answer is to run two sections.

The financial feasibility of such a thing is dubious, with the first problem being availability of cars.
 
It's pretty simple, really, if you tag a motor on the rear supplying HEP to the rear half of the train like a power car, and loop back about halfway through the train consist. Now you have doubled the capacity of the train without worrying about HEP cables burning due to overload..... Engines in consist aren't a new idea to Amtrak, if you look at Michigan trains when an NPCU isn't available, there's another P42 in tow on the other end to avoid wying the train.

Ooops, thinking outside the box isn't allowed.......
 
Couple of problems with that.

First, the autoracks aren't HEP equipped, so the motor would have to go between the passenger cars and the autoracks, not on the end of the train.

Second, There's no way of controlling that locomotive, so you'd be paying 2 more crew members to sit in a locomotive in the middle of the consist standing by to cut off the HEP to the rear section should it be required.
 
Couple of problems with that.

First, the autoracks aren't HEP equipped, so the motor would have to go between the passenger cars and the autoracks, not on the end of the train.

Second, There's no way of controlling that locomotive, so you'd be paying 2 more crew members to sit in a locomotive in the middle of the consist standing by to cut off the HEP to the rear section should it be required.
Additonally I believe that there is an FRA rule that requires that the engineer must be able to turn off HEP to the entire train, which he'd be unable to do with a split power situation.
 
While the engines could supply more power in theory, the cables and electrical circuits cannot handle any more power. They'd melt, or worse, if Amtrak tried to push any more power through the cables.
Anyone know how Via does it on the Canadian, when in the summer months, it can run up to 25 passenger cars?

Which brings up another question, are the Via HEP specs the same as Amtrak? That is, could any Amtrak car be coupled to a Via train, and connect with HEP? And Vice Versa?
 
While the engines could supply more power in theory, the cables and electrical circuits cannot handle any more power. They'd melt, or worse, if Amtrak tried to push any more power through the cables.
Anyone know how Via does it on the Canadian, when in the summer months, it can run up to 25 passenger cars?

Which brings up another question, are the Via HEP specs the same as Amtrak? That is, could any Amtrak car be coupled to a Via train, and connect with HEP? And Vice Versa?
Single level cars draw less power than bi-level cars. You've got fewer lights, fewer bathrooms, less AC/heat, and so on.
 
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