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Would it be a good idea to extend the Auto Train to NYP, since most travelers are driving down from NYP?

Technical limitations:

1) NEC Catenary

2) Intermediate stops

3) Electric traction (may not be necessary, terminate in NJ)

NEC-Use CSX's parallel line.

Originate the entire train from Sunnyside.

At Lorton, board passengers and attach autoracks.

Use 3 P42's (or 2 HHP-8)
 
Would it be a good idea to extend the Auto Train to NYP, since most travelers are driving down from NYP?
Technical limitations:

1) NEC Catenary

2) Intermediate stops

3) Electric traction (may not be necessary, terminate in NJ)

NEC-Use CSX's parallel line.

Originate the entire train from Sunnyside.

At Lorton, board passengers and attach autoracks.

Use 3 P42's (or 2 HHP-8)
Actually, I'd ask you to provide your source on where you cite most passengers driving down from New York.

As for the hypothetical possibility, you forget that the NEC tunnels don't clear SuperLiners, and I'm extremely skeptical that all of CSX's tunnels would clear them either (especially in the Howard Street tunnel in Baltimore). Even if the tunnel situation could be resolved, you'd need to run hybrid diesel-third rail electric engines on the train (possibly changing engines at Lorton), which Amtrak doesn't have nearly enough to spare.

Interesting idea, but not really feasible I'd say...

Rafi
 
You're right that the intermediate stops is an issue. Also, you would need to create and maintain an all-new car loading/unloading facility. Finally, I think that the biggest burden is the fact that as it is now, both NB & SB trains are serviced overnight at their respective terminals. When there is a delay like what we saw last week, it can take two to three days to get back on schedule. The further apart the terminals, the worse that would be.

Perhaps eliminating Lorton and putting something just NORTH of DC would be a possibility, but still a real expensive under taking.

I thought perhaps about the possibility of new Auto trains between NY and CA - running once a week in each direction with the same no-stops theory. However, I think that this would not be as popular as the current Florida train because there is just an enormous number of folks that flock together and migrate to Florida for the Winter. Maybe it would work.
 
Its neither possible nor desirable. Too expensive, not enough equipment, the list goes on and on.
 
I think they should expand the AutoTrain to Chicago, and form a triangle route, CHI-WAS, WAS-SAN, SAN-CHI, It would require the purchase of 4 more train sets, and a station in CHI. This would also be a great way to resurrect the Floridian, but sadly there is no money for equipment, so this plan would be dead before it was created. Even though the current AutoTrain is one of Amtrak's best trains, there is no way to expand it without government support, and they are only going to focus on corridor services that will help the local economies.

I can't help but wonder how the Northeast, Illinois and California would survive if Amtrak decided it was going to shutdown until congress decided to reasonably fund it? commuters stranded, businesses suffering because their workers couldn't get to work, I think it would only have to happen once before everybody realized how important Amtrak is, and finally decide it deserves a reasonable source of funding. Remember that almost every heavy rail commuter railroad uses Amtrak property, so that means millions would be affected.
 
I'd say that the fact there is no place to load and unload cars is what would make this plan DOA....
 
Green Maned Lion, do you have data that demonstrates that constructing and operating Auto Train infrastructure is more expensive than constructing Interstate highways and operating automobiles on them?
 
I think they should expand the AutoTrain to Chicago, and form a triangle route, CHI-WAS, WAS-SAN, SAN-CHI, It would require the purchase of 4 more train sets, and a station in CHI. This would also be a great way to resurrect the Floridian, but sadly there is no money for equipment, so this plan would be dead before it was created. Even though the current AutoTrain is one of Amtrak's best trains, there is no way to expand it without government support, and they are only going to focus on corridor services that will help the local economies.
I can't help but wonder how the Northeast, Illinois and California would survive if Amtrak decided it was going to shutdown until congress decided to reasonably fund it? commuters stranded, businesses suffering because their workers couldn't get to work, I think it would only have to happen once before everybody realized how important Amtrak is, and finally decide it deserves a reasonable source of funding. Remember that almost every heavy rail commuter railroad uses Amtrak property, so that means millions would be affected.
Either that or convince them the commuter services would be best ran by other operations independant of a single national company. I think we'd lose amtrak if they tried that.

Edit: Too expensive as in: too expensive to get our thick headed, stupid, worthless dunderheads our gullable population seem to think are good enough to run a country to fund it.

Whether it makes long-term financial sense is another matter.

Personally, I'd rather not encourage auto usage, and the Auto train clearly does. Making Orlando a public-transit walking city would be a better investment.
 
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The AutoTrain is a surrender to the failure of public transit/urban transit in this country. It essentially means that outside of a few select urban areas, you need a car to get to get from front door to front door. Its success is proof of that. So from a marketplace perspective an East-West auto train could be a success, maybe not NYC to LA, but use the terminals as gathering points from the general westerly area and the general easterly area. The market for using a autotrain as a substitute for most of your long, boring, not entirely risk free, and cramped car ride is a large market.
 
Green Maned Lion, do you have data that demonstrates that constructing and operating Auto Train infrastructure is more expensive than constructing Interstate highways and operating automobiles on them?
To be fair, since when has this been the metric against which expansions in passenger rail service have been measured? If this was, Amtrak's appropriation would be a lot more than it is now.

What I'd be more interested in seeing, rather than an additional auto train, is reliability improvements along the Silver Service corridor, some new equipment, an additional train or two, and an extensive advertising campaign for the trains. The airline I work for flies about 3,000 to 4,000 people a day from the New York area to cities that Amtrak services (and that's not even considering our flights out of the Washington area, or the other airlines we compete against, though we have about 65% of the New York to Flordia market). There is no reason why 20-30% of those people couldn't be persuaded to ride an upgraded and improved train at rates that are competitive to what we charge on the route. I think Amtrak could do some fantastic business in that market, if only they had the funds to try and go after it.
 
My family moved from Waterford, CT, one of the four towns that still has NEC grade crossings, to San Diego, many years ago. My parents drove two cars the whole way. I think between having only one potential driver per car, one of the cars being about 11 years old at the time, and the large amount of driving involved in that trip, an Auto Train might have been desireable. In fact, for cases like that, an Auto Train might be worth having even if it was more expensive than simply constructing more highway.

One Auto Train trip a week probably would not have worked well in that case; we left Waterford shortly after the movers did, and there was a strong desire to get to San Diego early enough that the moving truck could be unloaded into our new home instead of into a storage facility. (Other than riding the Northeast Corridor on several occasions without getting off at New London, I've never been back to that area since that day.)

However, with the current daily Auto Train being described as the longest passenger train in the world, I have to suspect that even if some new route was less popular, daily trips ought to be feasible.

One has to remember that the management of Amtrak is appointed by the President of the United States. That policy of state funded services as the only new services is probably actually a reflection of the desires of our current president. We're getting a new president in less than half the time it will probably take to build new Amtrak rolling stock once Congress approves it, so I hardly think the current president's policies should influence our thinking about where we want Amtrak to be five years from now.

I don't think the distance between the terminals is really the issue in the Auto Train catching up after a major delay. The real issue is how quickly the equipment is turned around, and how many hours the equipment normally sits idle while waiting for the next trip. If anAuto Train trainset spends X hours traveling for each trip, and it takes Y hours to load/unload/etc the train for each trip, and then it normally has Z hours of slack time when it's sitting in the yard and none of the railroad workers are actively doing anything with it, then if you double X and double the number of trainsets, you'll actually have an easier time recovering, because you haven't doubled Y, and so you can increase Z for the new train by whatever Y happens to be. And Z is the thing that you can borrow time from when you're recovering, potentially reducing Z to 0 during the period you're catching up.

I don't think Manhattan is the right place to put a terminal, though. Perhaps a train from New Jersey to Florida would make sense, and perhaps a New Jersey to Los Angeles train would make sense. Maybe there could also be a terminal somewhere around Denver, and at New Jersey, some of the autoracks could be designated for cars going to Denver, others for cars going to Los Angeles, and when the train reached Denver, the autoracks going to Denver could be uncoupled, and the Los Angeles section could be continuing along at 60 MPH or 79 MPH before the Denver autoracks were unloaded.

There's no inherent reason why there couldn't be a single-level Auto Train on some new route, although on a popular route, the train gets long enough that fewer, taller cars certainly becomes advantageous.

Do the Auto Train autoracks use slackless couplers? Also, how heavy is the typical Auto Train autorack compared to the typical maximum weight freight car?
 
My family moved from Waterford, CT, one of the four towns that still has NEC grade crossings, to San Diego, many years ago. My parents drove two cars the whole way. I think between having only one potential driver per car, one of the cars being about 11 years old at the time, and the large amount of driving involved in that trip, an Auto Train might have been desireable. In fact, for cases like that, an Auto Train might be worth having even if it was more expensive than simply constructing more highway.
One Auto Train trip a week probably would not have worked well in that case; we left Waterford shortly after the movers did, and there was a strong desire to get to San Diego early enough that the moving truck could be unloaded into our new home instead of into a storage facility. (Other than riding the Northeast Corridor on several occasions without getting off at New London, I've never been back to that area since that day.)

However, with the current daily Auto Train being described as the longest passenger train in the world, I have to suspect that even if some new route was less popular, daily trips ought to be feasible.

One has to remember that the management of Amtrak is appointed by the President of the United States. That policy of state funded services as the only new services is probably actually a reflection of the desires of our current president. We're getting a new president in less than half the time it will probably take to build new Amtrak rolling stock once Congress approves it, so I hardly think the current president's policies should influence our thinking about where we want Amtrak to be five years from now.

I don't think the distance between the terminals is really the issue in the Auto Train catching up after a major delay. The real issue is how quickly the equipment is turned around, and how many hours the equipment normally sits idle while waiting for the next trip. If anAuto Train trainset spends X hours traveling for each trip, and it takes Y hours to load/unload/etc the train for each trip, and then it normally has Z hours of slack time when it's sitting in the yard and none of the railroad workers are actively doing anything with it, then if you double X and double the number of trainsets, you'll actually have an easier time recovering, because you haven't doubled Y, and so you can increase Z for the new train by whatever Y happens to be. And Z is the thing that you can borrow time from when you're recovering, potentially reducing Z to 0 during the period you're catching up.

I don't think Manhattan is the right place to put a terminal, though. Perhaps a train from New Jersey to Florida would make sense, and perhaps a New Jersey to Los Angeles train would make sense. Maybe there could also be a terminal somewhere around Denver, and at New Jersey, some of the autoracks could be designated for cars going to Denver, others for cars going to Los Angeles, and when the train reached Denver, the autoracks going to Denver could be uncoupled, and the Los Angeles section could be continuing along at 60 MPH or 79 MPH before the Denver autoracks were unloaded.

There's no inherent reason why there couldn't be a single-level Auto Train on some new route, although on a popular route, the train gets long enough that fewer, taller cars certainly becomes advantageous.

Do the Auto Train autoracks use slackless couplers? Also, how heavy is the typical Auto Train autorack compared to the typical maximum weight freight car?
An Amtrak Autorack that's empty weights about 80,000 pounds. When loaded they weight 160,000 pounds. I don't know about the slackless couplers. By the way what i'm about to say should be a suggestion, but if the Auto Train should go to Los Angeles than it should use the Sunset Limited's route. Reason why is cause their are less grades to tackle on the route from what I'm aware of unlike going to Denver where you climb grades that go as high as 9,239 feet at the Moffat tunnel. They would need like more than 150 autoracks plus more than 75 superliners to operate a route like that on a daily schedule. Plus a lot of engines too.
 
My family moved from Waterford, CT, one of the four towns that still has NEC grade crossings, to San Diego, many years ago. My parents drove two cars the whole way. I think between having only one potential driver per car, one of the cars being about 11 years old at the time, and the large amount of driving involved in that trip, an Auto Train might have been desireable. In fact, for cases like that, an Auto Train might be worth having even if it was more expensive than simply constructing more highway.
One Auto Train trip a week probably would not have worked well in that case; we left Waterford shortly after the movers did, and there was a strong desire to get to San Diego early enough that the moving truck could be unloaded into our new home instead of into a storage facility. (Other than riding the Northeast Corridor on several occasions without getting off at New London, I've never been back to that area since that day.)

However, with the current daily Auto Train being described as the longest passenger train in the world, I have to suspect that even if some new route was less popular, daily trips ought to be feasible.

I don't remember exactly where it's at but freight crews curse "Benson Hill" on the Sunset Route as being one of the toughest hills to climb. I remember a big hill west of El Paso and one east of Benson. Anyone know where it is and what grade it is?

One has to remember that the management of Amtrak is appointed by the President of the United States. That policy of state funded services as the only new services is probably actually a reflection of the desires of our current president. We're getting a new president in less than half the time it will probably take to build new Amtrak rolling stock once Congress approves it, so I hardly think the current president's policies should influence our thinking about where we want Amtrak to be five years from now.

I don't think the distance between the terminals is really the issue in the Auto Train catching up after a major delay. The real issue is how quickly the equipment is turned around, and how many hours the equipment normally sits idle while waiting for the next trip. If anAuto Train trainset spends X hours traveling for each trip, and it takes Y hours to load/unload/etc the train for each trip, and then it normally has Z hours of slack time when it's sitting in the yard and none of the railroad workers are actively doing anything with it, then if you double X and double the number of trainsets, you'll actually have an easier time recovering, because you haven't doubled Y, and so you can increase Z for the new train by whatever Y happens to be. And Z is the thing that you can borrow time from when you're recovering, potentially reducing Z to 0 during the period you're catching up.

I don't think Manhattan is the right place to put a terminal, though. Perhaps a train from New Jersey to Florida would make sense, and perhaps a New Jersey to Los Angeles train would make sense. Maybe there could also be a terminal somewhere around Denver, and at New Jersey, some of the autoracks could be designated for cars going to Denver, others for cars going to Los Angeles, and when the train reached Denver, the autoracks going to Denver could be uncoupled, and the Los Angeles section could be continuing along at 60 MPH or 79 MPH before the Denver autoracks were unloaded.

There's no inherent reason why there couldn't be a single-level Auto Train on some new route, although on a popular route, the train gets long enough that fewer, taller cars certainly becomes advantageous.

Do the Auto Train autoracks use slackless couplers? Also, how heavy is the typical Auto Train autorack compared to the typical maximum weight freight car?
An Amtrak Autorack that's empty weights about 80,000 pounds. When loaded they weight 160,000 pounds. I don't know about the slackless couplers. By the way what i'm about to say should be a suggestion, but if the Auto Train should go to Los Angeles than it should use the Sunset Limited's route. Reason why is cause their are less grades to tackle on the route from what I'm aware of unlike going to Denver where you climb grades that go as high as 9,239 feet at the Moffat tunnel. They would need like more than 150 autoracks plus more than 75 superliners to operate a route like that on a daily schedule. Plus a lot of engines too.
I don't remember exactly where it is but I have heard freight crews, who run on the Sunset line, curse at the mention of "Benson Hill" as being one of the toughest to get up on the system. Anyone know exactly where it is and what the grade is?
 
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I don't remember exactly where it is but I have heard freight crews, who run on the Sunset line, curse at the mention of "Benson Hill" as being one of the toughest to get up on the system. Anyone know exactly where it is and what the grade is?
Benson Hill I think is in NM, but I don't recall any major grade. Anyway, I think a better route would be either the SWC route or the BNSF trans-con.

And maybe the 2nd terminal could be around ABQ (and capture the DEN and TX crowd).
 
I don't remember exactly where it is but I have heard freight crews, who run on the Sunset line, curse at the mention of "Benson Hill" as being one of the toughest to get up on the system. Anyone know exactly where it is and what the grade is?
Benson Hill I think is in NM, but I don't recall any major grade. Anyway, I think a better route would be either the SWC route or the BNSF trans-con.

And maybe the 2nd terminal could be around ABQ (and capture the DEN and TX crowd).
I honestly don't think there is a market for an Auto Train product from coast to coast. The east coast route has a lot of things going for it i.e.: relatively short distance (900 miles); a terrible interstate driving experience (I95) a large population to draw from (NY, PA, NJ, MA, DC, etc) a destination that is popular with both retirees and families and the ability to get to and from the destianation overnight.

This type of opertion also takes up two things: large amounts of capital to create the facility and large amounts of space to operate the lengthy consist. I cannot imagine space in NY or Chicago that is available right now for this type of operation, nor can I imagine operating an intermediate facility to drop off and pick up cars. The delays with switching necessary would be unacceptable for the through passengers.

Also, the suggestion of moving the northern facility closer to NY or north of Washington does not make sense since the Lorton facility is almost brand new and again, I would question the ability to find adaquate space in either location.
 
My family moved from Waterford, CT, one of the four towns that still has NEC grade crossings, to San Diego, many years ago. My parents drove two cars the whole way. I think between having only one potential driver per car, one of the cars being about 11 years old at the time, and the large amount of driving involved in that trip, an Auto Train might have been desireable. In fact, for cases like that, an Auto Train might be worth having even if it was more expensive than simply constructing more highway.
One Auto Train trip a week probably would not have worked well in that case; we left Waterford shortly after the movers did, and there was a strong desire to get to San Diego early enough that the moving truck could be unloaded into our new home instead of into a storage facility. (Other than riding the Northeast Corridor on several occasions without getting off at New London, I've never been back to that area since that day.)

However, with the current daily Auto Train being described as the longest passenger train in the world, I have to suspect that even if some new route was less popular, daily trips ought to be feasible.

I don't remember exactly where it's at but freight crews curse "Benson Hill" on the Sunset Route as being one of the toughest hills to climb. I remember a big hill west of El Paso and one east of Benson. Anyone know where it is and what grade it is?

One has to remember that the management of Amtrak is appointed by the President of the United States. That policy of state funded services as the only new services is probably actually a reflection of the desires of our current president. We're getting a new president in less than half the time it will probably take to build new Amtrak rolling stock once Congress approves it, so I hardly think the current president's policies should influence our thinking about where we want Amtrak to be five years from now.

I don't think the distance between the terminals is really the issue in the Auto Train catching up after a major delay. The real issue is how quickly the equipment is turned around, and how many hours the equipment normally sits idle while waiting for the next trip. If anAuto Train trainset spends X hours traveling for each trip, and it takes Y hours to load/unload/etc the train for each trip, and then it normally has Z hours of slack time when it's sitting in the yard and none of the railroad workers are actively doing anything with it, then if you double X and double the number of trainsets, you'll actually have an easier time recovering, because you haven't doubled Y, and so you can increase Z for the new train by whatever Y happens to be. And Z is the thing that you can borrow time from when you're recovering, potentially reducing Z to 0 during the period you're catching up.

I don't think Manhattan is the right place to put a terminal, though. Perhaps a train from New Jersey to Florida would make sense, and perhaps a New Jersey to Los Angeles train would make sense. Maybe there could also be a terminal somewhere around Denver, and at New Jersey, some of the autoracks could be designated for cars going to Denver, others for cars going to Los Angeles, and when the train reached Denver, the autoracks going to Denver could be uncoupled, and the Los Angeles section could be continuing along at 60 MPH or 79 MPH before the Denver autoracks were unloaded.

There's no inherent reason why there couldn't be a single-level Auto Train on some new route, although on a popular route, the train gets long enough that fewer, taller cars certainly becomes advantageous.

Do the Auto Train autoracks use slackless couplers? Also, how heavy is the typical Auto Train autorack compared to the typical maximum weight freight car?
An Amtrak Autorack that's empty weights about 80,000 pounds. When loaded they weight 160,000 pounds. I don't know about the slackless couplers. By the way what i'm about to say should be a suggestion, but if the Auto Train should go to Los Angeles than it should use the Sunset Limited's route. Reason why is cause their are less grades to tackle on the route from what I'm aware of unlike going to Denver where you climb grades that go as high as 9,239 feet at the Moffat tunnel. They would need like more than 150 autoracks plus more than 75 superliners to operate a route like that on a daily schedule. Plus a lot of engines too.
I don't remember exactly where it is but I have heard freight crews, who run on the Sunset line, curse at the mention of "Benson Hill" as being one of the toughest to get up on the system. Anyone know exactly where it is and what the grade is?
Duh... I must be having a senior moment after reading Patrick's post. Benson Hill is right where it says it is~ east of Benson, AZ. I remember meeting a freight train that was in the siding and I thought he was going 50 downhill. Perhaps Mr. Harris can fill us in on the grade and perhaps this is one of the first places to be double tracked?
 
Perhaps a trans-con Auto Train is in fact feasible. It might even be doable, partly because of the limited market. Were I to do it, I'd need one set. I'd run it with it with 3 Dash-8s or Dash-9s (If Amtrak could manage to come up with the money to buy new diesel locomotives) and a P42 for HEP. So I mean a standard, freight Dash 9. I'd run it with a Trans-Dorm and 3 or 4 Superliner Sleepers, plus a dining car, and perhaps a lounge car. I'd offer a few intermediate stops, with cars assigned to different racks based on stops.

I'd run it from either early in the morning, or late at night, from Lorton. I'd take it via Cincinnati, St. Louis, Kansas City, Trinidad, Albequrque, and the BNSF route to the LA area, stopping in each listed station.

I'd be setting it up with a switch operation. The train would stop for 30, maybe 40 minutes, having the already loaded auto racks attached and detached.

The train would depart Lorton either late sunday night, or early Monday, arriving in LA on Wednesday. It would depart LA on thursday, for arriving in Lorton either late Saturday or Early sunday.

I would think it would be successful, but not with vacationers. It would be more popular with people moving. Coach would simply not be offered.
 
Perhaps a trans-con Auto Train is in fact feasible. It might even be doable, partly because of the limited market. Were I to do it, I'd need one set. I'd run it with it with 3 Dash-8s or Dash-9s (If Amtrak could manage to come up with the money to buy new diesel locomotives) and a P42 for HEP. So I mean a standard, freight Dash 9. I'd run it with a Trans-Dorm and 3 or 4 Superliner Sleepers, plus a dining car, and perhaps a lounge car. I'd offer a few intermediate stops, with cars assigned to different racks based on stops.
I'd run it from either early in the morning, or late at night, from Lorton. I'd take it via Cincinnati, St. Louis, Kansas City, Trinidad, Albequrque, and the BNSF route to the LA area, stopping in each listed station.

I'd be setting it up with a switch operation. The train would stop for 30, maybe 40 minutes, having the already loaded auto racks attached and detached.

The train would depart Lorton either late sunday night, or early Monday, arriving in LA on Wednesday. It would depart LA on thursday, for arriving in Lorton either late Saturday or Early sunday.

I would think it would be successful, but not with vacationers. It would be more popular with people moving. Coach would simply not be offered.
Lots of luck. I think the costs would overwhelm the potential revenue and I would question the choice of cities, since they are all small market - not the cities that would seemingly be potential strong demographic areas. I don't have any clue, but my gut reaction tells me that not many people are moving from LA to any of these cities or vice versa - Washington to or from any of those cities. There are also a large number of trucking companies providing this service at very reasonable rates and most people who are moving are not interested in spending 2-3 days on the train just to accompany their cars. I have moved across country on several occasions and all I wanted to do was get there the quickest way possible and since the company was generally paying the freight, I rented a car until mine arrived on the truck.
 
Lots of luck. I think the costs would overwhelm the potential revenue and I would question the choice of cities, since they are all small market - not the cities that would seemingly be potential strong demographic areas. I don't have any clue, but my gut reaction tells me that not many people are moving from LA to any of these cities or vice versa - Washington to or from any of those cities. There are also a large number of trucking companies providing this service at very reasonable rates and most people who are moving are not interested in spending 2-3 days on the train just to accompany their cars. I have moved across country on several occasions and all I wanted to do was get there the quickest way possible and since the company was generally paying the freight, I rented a car until mine arrived on the truck.
Some people really don't enjoy driving, and its not where its located, so much as its PROXIMITY that matters. People will drive a few hours to get to the train, in many cases.
 
The concept of Auto Train is good, but VA-FL route is too short.

It should be CHI-NYP-FL or even more important route - from East Coast to West Coast

because driving 7 days through the whole continent is not a fun.

I don't understand why Amtrak doesn't have equipment?

They are getting goverment funds every year. Why can't they buy it?
 
You're lack of knowledge of railroad expenses is clouding your vision on this. Amtrak needs about 1.5 times what they get just to decently run the current system. They are currently holding it together with duct tape and bailing wire.
 
This best bet for more Auto train service is if Amtrak is not involved. Remember the original Auto Train was a private operation and actually made money until derailments did them in.

I would propose that this be undertaken by an outfit like Colorado Railcar that makes equipment for the Alaska cruise line trains and operates the Grande Luxe. It seems to me that the Chicago area to the Denver area is the perfect market. In the winter you have the ski business and the rest of the year there are families heading to the Rockies for all that great country has to offer. It is short enough that those who don't love trains would not be discouraged, and not many people enjoy the drive across the great plains (although I do).

They have the technical ability to build their own cars - and purchase off the shelf auto carriers. Amtrak is not likely to invest their limited funds in this specialized market. Perhaps Cheyenne would be a good terminating point. It's a short drive south for the front range cities or continue west to the National Parks of Wyoming and Montana (also easy to acquire real estate for a terminal). And it would be nice to see a passenger train using some of that triple track UP mainline west of Omaha.
 
I don't understand why Amtrak doesn't have equipment?They are getting goverment funds every year. Why can't they buy it?
The Government funds that Amtrak is getting barely cover the operating expenses, and very little else! Certainly not enough to buy new cars.

Just looking at the NEC in Connecticut (where Amtrak actually owns the tracks and must pay to maintain them) there are 4 bridges that are over 100 years old - and not much has been done to them. (They are finally rebuilding one of them.)

Amtrak is getting (IIRC) less than 3% of the funds that airlines get - and airlines are not "Government owned"!
 
. ..........I'd offer a few intermediate stops, with cars assigned to different racks based on stops.
I'd run it from either early in the morning, or late at night, from Lorton. I'd take it via Cincinnati, St. Louis, Kansas City, Trinidad, Albequrque, and the BNSF route to the LA area, stopping in each listed station.

I'd be setting it up with a switch operation. The train would stop for 30, maybe 40 minutes, having the already loaded auto racks attached and detached.
However, this would not work.

For simplicity's sake, lets assign one car from Lorton to each of the other points; so you leave Lorton with cars arranged (reading back to front) Cincinnati, St. Louis, Kansas City, Trinidad, Albuquerque, LA.

When you get to Cincinnati,you drop this car, but what about the cars from Cincinnati to the west, where do you put them? Do you split the train 5 times and end up , Lorton- St. Louis, Cincinnati-St. Louis, Lorton- Kansas City,Cincinnati-Kansas City, Lorton-Trinidad, Cincinnati-Trinidad, Lorton-Albuquerque, Cincinnati-Albuquerque, Lorton- LA, Cincinnati-LA ???

Then repeat the same at each stop??
 
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