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So, it looks like for the forseeable future there's no edible food for me in the Amtrak dining cars. (Long story, and yes, I am escalating this with Amtrak management, because it's ridiculous.) This leads me to the problem of how to bring my own food for two days on my West Coast trips. I have a insulated cooler bag, but I will probably need to replenish the cold supplies at Chicago. Any ideas?
 
Let's try this again. The Amtrak dining car does not provide edible food, due to a total inability on Amtrak's part to have any idea whatsoever what is in the food.

Therefore I have to bring my own food. I need a source of ice-equivalents, preferably not actual ice (which is more likely to drip and make a mess).
 
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Perhaps the CVS catty-corner from the station? Corner of Canal and Adams, I believe.
 
Let's try this again. The Amtrak dining car does not provide edible food, due to a total inability on Amtrak's part to have any idea whatsoever what is in the food.

Therefore I have to bring my own food. I need a source of ice-equivalents, preferably not actual ice (which is more likely to drip and make a mess).
Let try this. The food may not be edible for you because of your food allergy, but probably 95 percent of the rest of humanity are OK with it.
 
A slab of dry ice in the bottom of a good cooler will last as much as a week - why not leave home with a cooler already chilled/frozen and stocked?
 
So ... you "can not" eat the food Amtrak offers, and you prefer to not use "real" ice.

The responsibility then is on you to provide for your needs, by bringing your own food, which needs no refrigeration.
 
CVS at the northwest corner of Adams/Canal or Walgreens at the northwest corner of Jackson/Wacker would be my guess as to the most likely and convenient.
 
Could you pack some fresh fruit (like oranges) from home and cereal (unless that's an allergy trigger), then pick up milk for the cereal at CVS? Cereal for dinner is surprisingly filling (I am not a good cook and do that a lot).
 
There is a Whole Foods Market close to Union Station @1101 S. Canal. Several AUers go there, its walkable from Union Station! Google it up!

The Walgreens and CVS, as said, are right by Union Station!
 
Let's try this again. The Amtrak dining car does not provide edible food, due to a total inability on Amtrak's part to have any idea whatsoever what is in the food.Therefore I have to bring my own food. I need a source of ice-equivalents, preferably not actual ice (which is more likely to drip and make a mess).
Care to enlighten us as to what is "not edible" in the dining car? It seems to me that in the past I recall seeing a document that had ingredients listed for items on the menu. Perhaps you should do some research with Amtrak and see if you can obtain that document, or something similar.....or if you absolutely need to bring your own food, adaquate suggestions have been made as to where you might be able to find refrigeration for your cooler.
 
Let's try this again. The Amtrak dining car does not provide edible food, due to a total inability on Amtrak's part to have any idea whatsoever what is in the food.Therefore I have to bring my own food. I need a source of ice-equivalents, preferably not actual ice (which is more likely to drip and make a mess).
Care to enlighten us as to what is "not edible" in the dining car? It seems to me that in the past I recall seeing a document that had ingredients listed for items on the menu. Perhaps you should do some research with Amtrak and see if you can obtain that document, or something similar.....or if you absolutely need to bring your own food, adaquate suggestions have been made as to where you might be able to find refrigeration for your cooler.
His allergy problem has been discussed in other threads. Even the fact that the ingredients listings are inadequate and that the staff cannot confirm if a dish does or does not have xyz ingredient in it.

Why don't people just offer suggestions for his question - where to get ice packs for his cooler - and accept that he has valid reasons not to be able to eat in the diner.
 
Nathanael - I spent five years operating a cross-country ski lodge with a vegetarian menu that catered to special needs diets. It would be easier if I knew what you can't eat, but I have several suggestions (based on taking all our own food the times Hubby and I traveled long distance in coach).

  • If you have a source of dry ice where you live, I like niemi24's suggestion that dry ice will last a week. You should definitely insulate the dry ice itself, so it will not melt (vaporize) as quickly, and so it won't freeze adjacent food.
  • The CVS website says that store's phone number is 312-589-8991. Why not call them and see what ice procudts they have available?
  • I always put a wide-mouth, tight, bottle of cold water into my lunch box, no ice. Do you have a Nalgene bottle that you could obtain ice to fill on the train, then top up with water for better temperature transfer? They are guaranteed leakproof!
  • If not allergic, you can take seeds, nuts and dried fruit, no refrigeration needed. Then some yogurt, or cheese and crackers (yogurt & cheese really only need to be cool, if you are going to consume fairly quickly). Raw vegetables (replenish the stock whenever possible, carrots, sweet peppers, kolrabi sticks...cool is best, cold not necessary). I've also been known to open a small can of smoked oysters or tuna. And some organic chocolate...
  • For the first couple days' travel, if I am in coach and don't want to pack a cooler, I make a vegetarian dish of some kind that has no hazardous ingredients. My favorite is filled rolls (home made whole wheat bread filled with a mix of sauteed vegetables and cheese, or pesto and cheese).
Anyway, these are just some of my regular food strategies. I prefer to control the ingredients in my food, and always do so when I am at home. On the train, I am an opportunivore and pretty much able to choose from what's available. But if not in a sleeper, I will take my own food almost every time.

Feel free to message me with any specifics about your needs, and I'll see what I can come up with.
 
So ... you "can not" eat the food Amtrak offers, and you prefer to not use "real" ice.

The responsibility then is on you to provide for your needs, by bringing your own food, which needs no refrigeration.
Which he's doing by asking here for any suggestions on where to get an ice-like product in Chicago that'll last and not leak like real ice will.

(In other threads he's mentioned that Amtrak doesn't have an ingredient list he can check to see if there's a specific allergen in it that he's allergic too. It's pretty dumb that Amtrak can't provide that list when every packaged food sold in the US can.)
 
Let's try this again. The Amtrak dining car does not provide edible food, due to a total inability on Amtrak's part to have any idea whatsoever what is in the food.Therefore I have to bring my own food. I need a source of ice-equivalents, preferably not actual ice (which is more likely to drip and make a mess).
Care to enlighten us as to what is "not edible" in the dining car? It seems to me that in the past I recall seeing a document that had ingredients listed for items on the menu. Perhaps you should do some research with Amtrak and see if you can obtain that document, or something similar.....or if you absolutely need to bring your own food, adaquate suggestions have been made as to where you might be able to find refrigeration for your cooler.
His allergy problem has been discussed in other threads. Even the fact that the ingredients listings are inadequate and that the staff cannot confirm if a dish does or does not have xyz ingredient in it.

Why don't people just offer suggestions for his question - where to get ice packs for his cooler - and accept that he has valid reasons not to be able to eat in the diner.
He opened with the premise of "Amtrak does not provide edible food." His words. So he opened the door to this fair criticism and the defense of Amtrak's food.

If it was phrased better to just say "because of an allergy and Amtrak's lack of listing ingredients, I do not feel comfortable eating the food," then the focus would have been on the suggestion for ice packs.
 
FOIA there menus ( if you can?) If there is ONE law that needs to be in place is that amtrak MUST disclose all the ingredients .

If a wrapped bagle from the cascades can manage it then why not the aramark diner car stuff.

Its not like it;s a trade secret like coke ect
 
My son has a life threatening food allergy, and "eating out" is always problematic. Most folk don't realise how serious these "allergies" can be... and in some ways, calling them an allergy belittles the dangers.

People die nowadays, even in our high tech society, from ingesting allergens, often through server ignorance or errors in ingredient lables.

Things have improved over the last 20 years, but the reaction of some folk on here, who do not "get it" shows how much the allergy sufferer still needs to rely on their own resorces...

Ed :cool:
 
I'd be careful with dry ice. It could be considered a "dangerous material". Especially be careful if they see any mist coming out of your cooler.

I think it's generally safe, but an Amtrak employee might have another idea.
 
My son has a life threatening food allergy, and "eating out" is always problematic. Most folk don't realise how serious these "allergies" can be... and in some ways, calling them an allergy belittles the dangers.

People die nowadays, even in our high tech society, from ingesting allergens, often through server ignorance or errors in ingredient lables.

Things have improved over the last 20 years, but the reaction of some folk on here, who do not "get it" shows how much the allergy sufferer still needs to rely on their own resorces...

Ed :cool:
I agree. A "severe, possibly life-threatening reaction" would be a better description than stating allergy as so many do. I would not even use the term "allergy" as it can mean anything from a red face or a rash.
 
So, it looks like for the forseeable future there's no edible food for me in the Amtrak dining cars. (Long story, and yes, I am escalating this with Amtrak management, because it's ridiculous.) This leads me to the problem of how to bring my own food for two days on my West Coast trips. I have a insulated cooler bag, but I will probably need to replenish the cold supplies at Chicago. Any ideas?
Do you know anyone who takes insulin? Mine gets shipped to me in foam coolers with cold packs which last for days. I am inundated with both the coolers and the cold packs and can't give them away. If you move to western North Carolina, I'd give you all you need but they are not worth shipping. I have used them both when needing more than one insulin pen (like on a long trip) or for taking drinks and stuff on a train w/o having to bring it back home.

Of course, you can buy ones like mine even at Wally World: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Coleman-Blue-Ice-Soft-Pack/13848706

In your case, if returning on Amtrak, you refreeze them for a day or so before your return trip. Hotels and B&Bs have never turned down my request to "keep the ice packs in your freezer" for a day before return.
 
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He opened with the premise of "Amtrak does not provide edible food." His words. So he opened the door to this fair criticism and the defense of Amtrak's food.
Guess that's where I got side tracked too. My response was to his not being able to use Amtrak food and not wanting to use real ice.

Apologies.
 
neroden,

I have no idea of your specific situation, but I'm going to ignore your clear, straightforward question and use this opportunity to scold you for having an issue that I don't understand.

Also, have you considered bringing some ice in a cooler, and then just replacing that ice after it melts? Perhaps you could buy some when changing trains. Like in Chicago, maybe.

I hope that was helpful.
 
So, it looks like for the forseeable future there's no edible food for me in the Amtrak dining cars. (Long story, and yes, I am escalating this with Amtrak management, because it's ridiculous.) This leads me to the problem of how to bring my own food for two days on my West Coast trips. I have a insulated cooler bag, but I will probably need to replenish the cold supplies at Chicago. Any ideas?
Do you know anyone who takes insulin? Mine gets shipped to me in foam coolers with cold packs which last for days. I am inundated with both the coolers and the cold packs and can't give them away. If you move to western North Carolina, I'd give you all you need but they are not worth shipping. I have used them both when needing more than one insulin pen (like on a long trip) or for taking drinks and stuff on a train w/o having to bring it back home.

Of course, you can buy ones like mine even at Wally World: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Coleman-Blue-Ice-Soft-Pack/13848706

In your case, if returning on Amtrak, you refreeze them for a day or so before your return trip. Hotels and B&Bs have never turned down my request to "keep the ice packs in your freezer" for a day before return.
My cousin is married to a doctor. I went down for a visit once with a cooler and had these little Blue Ice packs (aka ice blankets) with lots of separate liquid compartments sealed into a sheet of plastic. Rubbermaid had licensed it from a medical supplier and inserted a blue dye. When he saw on one visit he said one of the doctors in his building receives lots of medications/vaccines and didn't care if he took the used ice packs that she was disposing. I saw it, and it was the same company that licensed to Rubbermaid, only with a clear liquid. I looked it up, and the company was Cryopak. My only issue is that it didn't stay cold that long, but it provided very good cold coverage since it could literally surround the item to be cooled. I think it was usually placed in an insulated box and kept tightly closed.
 
I wonder where the disconnect is occurring. It's not as though Amtrak is constantly restocking the kitchen with random goods that would require substantial effort to republish on a regular basis. Several members have compared Amtrak to Applebee's but in reality Amtrak has among the most limited and regimented menus I've seen outside of a theme park concession stand. Seems like this information should be easy to confirm and disseminate.
 
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