Coast Starlight Train #14 Train Fire and Earthquake (8/23/-8/25/2014)

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This is a forum topic for passengers to discuss the events of that train trip. I am interested in first hand reports on 8/23/14 northbound Coast Starlight train #14 which suffered engine fire, earthquake, and near pedestrian fatality. We were onboard for 45 hours.
 
We were round trip travelers returning from Disneyland. We departed from Los Angeles at 10am Saturday morning (8/23). We remained on the train until we disembarked in Eugene at 6:45am Monday morning (8/25) to be bussed to Albany due to track construction. We were onboard the train for a total of 45 hours. I traveled with my three young children and my sister.

The first incident happened within the first two hours of travel. The train engine block on engine #2 caught on fire between Los Angeles and Burbank and the train was surrounded by billowing clouds of toxic smoke that seeped into our carriage from the accordion connection between the cars when the doors were open. The train made an emergency stop and then called the fire department. Firemen came in our carriage and ran forward before converging on the engine and ascertaining that the fire had been put out safely. The conductor was very apologetic and polite over the speakers and gave us several updates on the train's condition, but no provisions were made for medical care for passengers exposed to the smoke. Several passengers and crew suffered smoke inhalation injuries (including my family). The children and elderly were particularly vulnerable to the fumes. At no time did any crewmember or medical personnel talk with us (or any passengers as far as I know) to attempt to assess our condition.
 
The train was pushed back to LA station where we waited onboard. They cut the power and air for much of that time, and the dining car and cafe were down due to no electricity. My sister and I were suffering headaches and nausea, and the children were coughing. My young son was worst affected from the smoke, and suffered severe coughing fits. No AMTRAK staff offered help or direction when I said it was because of the smoke. I asked staff if we could get off the train to try and get something for the cough, but they said that if we were not on the train when the train was fixed that we would be left behind and would have to buy another ticket. We couldn't financially risk that, so I asked for a time frame for when we would be getting underway again, and they couldn't give me one. My sister took a risk and left the train carriage to see if something could be found in the station, but there wasn't anything. As it turned out, we had plenty of time for her to get back. I kept the kids busy and did the best I could to make everything seem normal for them.

After about 4 hours, the engine was finally replaced and we got underway again. I found it odd that at that point (instead of 3-4 hours previously), a crew member came quickly walking through and dropped a bottle of water and a pouch of crackers & nuts in each seated person's lap. She then lugged a couple of cases of water upstairs and put them down in a seat before continuing to distribute them and then she condescendingly warned the passengers not to steal any. No attempt again to assess anybody's condition or see how we were.
 
I'm just trying to process mentally the whole experience. It was really surreal. Can anyone help me nail down when we hit the individual stations on that trip? I found some of the train arrival and departure times for the Coast Starlight #14, but where would I find the complete list from LA to Eugene? Thanks!

Train 14 of 08/23/2014.
* THIS TRAIN EXPERIENCED A SERVICE DISRUPTION.
* Coast Starlight
* +---------------- Station code
* | +----------- Schedule Arrival Day
* | | +-------- Schedule Arrival time
* | | | +----- Schedule Departure Day
* | | | | +-- Schedule Departure Time
* | | | | | +------------- Actual Arrival Time
* | | | | | | +------- Actual Departure Time
* | | | | | | | +- Comments
* V V V V V V V V
* LAX * * 1 1010A * 1022A Departed: 12 minutes late.
* BUR * * 1 1029A * 223P Departed: 3 hours and 54 minutes late.
* VNC * * 1 1040A * 234P Departed: 3 hours and 54 minutes late.
* SIM * * 1 1111A * 257P Departed: 3 hours and 46 minutes late.
* OXN * * 1 1144A * 339P Departed: 3 hours and 55 minutes late.
* SBA * * 1 1240P * 443P Departed: 4 hours and 3 minutes late.
* SLO 1 322P 1 335P 711P 850P Departed: 5 hours and 15 minutes late.
* PRB * * 1 437P * 1010P Departed: 5 hours and 33 minutes late.
* SNS * * 1 628P * 1158P Departed: 5 hours and 30 minutes late.
* SJC 1 811P 1 823P 146A 156A Departed: 5 hours and 33 minutes late.
* OKJ 1 924P 1 939P 257A 308A Departed: 5 hours and 29 minutes late.
EMY 1 954P 1 1004P 318A Arrived: 5 hours and 24 minutes late.
MTZ * * 1 1046P PT
DAV * * 1 1125P PT
SAC * * 1 1159P PT
CIC * * 2 147A PT
RDD * * 2 306A PT
 
I contacted Amtrak and still have not gotten an answer to what we were exposed to....The smoke was yellowish orange from the burning engine. Does anyone know who to talk to? the kids are still sick.
 
I contacted Amtrak and still have not gotten an answer to what we were exposed to....The smoke was yellowish orange from the burning engine. Does anyone know who to talk to? the kids are still sick.
Did you take your kids to a doctor? Maybe the doctor can get some answers.
 
I contacted Amtrak and still have not gotten an answer to what we were exposed to....The smoke was yellowish orange from the burning engine. Does anyone know who to talk to? the kids are still sick.
Did you take your kids to a doctor? Maybe the doctor can get some answers.
Yes we are under medical care, and the Doctor contacted Amtrak and Poison control but no answer yet. We are about to undergo more extensive testing since we are getting no answers. It wil be expensive and time consuming.
 
I contacted Amtrak and still have not gotten an answer to what we were exposed to....
Be sure to ask for Customer RELATIONS. They are the folks that can actually do something. Usually not much, but perhaps a partial refund in the form of a voucher.

I hope that the rest of your journey - both your inital trip South and the rest of your trip forward - went well.

I'm just trying to process mentally the whole experience. It was really surreal. Can anyone help me nail down when we hit the individual stations on that trip? I found some of the train arrival and departure times for the Coast Starlight #14, but where would I find the complete list from LA to Eugene? Thanks!
Unless someone happened to get a screen shot of that routing that day, it's pretty much lost. Amtrak only keeps train status times for up to 5 days.

I really do hope that your kids get healthy soon.
 
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Try here for the trains schedule that day. http://dixielandsoftware.net/Amtrak/status/StatusPages/AnyTrainStatus.htm

I'm having technical difficulties with the site or I would have tried post it for you.
Thank you! -and thanks to the commenter above as well.
Try here for the trains schedule that day. http://dixielandsoftware.net/Amtrak/status/StatusPages/AnyTrainStatus.htm

I'm having technical difficulties with the site or I would have tried post it for you.
Thank you! -and thanks to the commenter above as well.
Unfortunately that website only displays arrivals and departures prior to the earthquake delay. Nothing posted for when we departed Emeryville and onward. Thanks anyways.
 
Sounds like someone is planning a lawsuit.
Indeed. I'm not inclined to be all that helpful.
Why not? If Amtrak is truly negligent in allowing for poisonous gasses to enter into an unventilated (because the power is out) cabin, why shouldn't they be held liable for injury?
If there is no case, then the plaintiff is out their money and they get nothing.
 
If the OP really is inquiring about the possible effects of smoke inhalation in order to start a lawsuit, random information from an internet forum isn't going to help. Hire a lawyer, and the lawyer will gather whatever information he/she needs.

If the OP really is inquiring about the possible effects of smoke inhalation in order to receive better medical care, random information from an internet forum isn't going to help. Your doctor will gather whatever medical information he/she requires. If the doctor will not do so, find a different doctor. If the doctor cannot do so because Amtrak won't provide it, see step #1 above.
 
Well, no doubt. Customer Relations won't be able to help identify the chemical composition of the smoke from the fire or even know if it were electrical vs diesel. Customer Relations should be able to help with compensation due to the schedule mishaps and perhaps the lack of professionalism exhibited by the crew. They can then internally investigate, then offer new training that will be ignored.
 
Sounds like someone is planning a lawsuit.
Indeed. I'm not inclined to be all that helpful.
Why not? If Amtrak is truly negligent in allowing for poisonous gasses to enter into an unventilated (because the power is out) cabin, why shouldn't they be held liable for injury?
If there is no case, then the plaintiff is out their money and they get nothing.
Because it takes time and money to defend against crap lawsuits, and Amtrak has precious little of either.
 
Sounds like someone is planning a lawsuit.
Indeed. I'm not inclined to be all that helpful.
Why not? If Amtrak is truly negligent in allowing for poisonous gasses to enter into an unventilated (because the power is out) cabin, why shouldn't they be held liable for injury?
If there is no case, then the plaintiff is out their money and they get nothing.
Because it takes time and money to defend against crap lawsuits, and Amtrak has precious little of either.
The assumption that would be a crap lawsuit - heck that anyone is trying to sue anyone at all - is quite presumptuous.
 
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Because people don't do some level of their own investigation prior to deciding whether to seek legal advice? [/sarcasm] In the alternative the op may just be trying to find out if other people suffered similar issues and what if anything they found out relating to their condition so that the op can give that information to their treating physician.
 
I'm not going to make the assumption that this person and their family wasn't negatively affected by the smoke. It sounds like it was kind of serious. We all know that years after 9/11 people are coming forward with all kinds of illnesses from the toxic fumes, and frankly we give them the benefit of the doubt. I think anonymously scoping out an internet forum for other passengers that were involved is actually a good idea and probably one I would do if I was affected.
 
It would be well worth finding out what sort of fire it actually was. Smoke from some types of burning plastics can be genuinely dangerous.

One of the problems with diesel and gasoline engines, of course, is that technically they are *always* on fire. :-( Electric engines powered by water, wind, and sun, that's the way to go...
 
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