Fatal train crash in France

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That's not so much of a commuter train if it goes 250 miles and runs for three hours. Limoges is about halfway between Paris and Toulouse. There's ex-Teoz railcars in the train, which are long-distance, not commuter equipment.
 
SNCF recently rebranded their non-TGV intercity services, so this was marketed as an "Intercités" service (the Téoz and Lunéa sub-brands are gone). Regardless, this was a seven carriage train hauled by an electric locomotive, and was doing close to the approved line speed of 90mph through the station. There was confusion to begin with about it being an RER suburban train, because line C runs parallel and calls at Brétingy.

Most importantly, it's Bastille Day today (Sunday) so this was probably an unusually busy train leaving Paris for Limoges at the start of the long holiday weekend.

The nature and outcome of the accident is painfully reminiscent of the 2002 Potter's Bar train crash when a London - Cambridge express EMU was derailed at speed by faulty points, leaving one carriage wedged across the platforms.
 
That is what they had said very early on. This is just filling in details.

In simple language it still sounds like it picked a switch halfway down the train. That suggests that the component that failed was probably some lock bar or such. Although the mention of "four bolts" could also suggest a fish plate as the Brits would call it. But then 22lb sounds like a pretty hefty one of those. How much do typical rail joint bars weigh anyway? I have no idea.

Coming to think of it here is a photo of the thing that broke:

http://www.lokreport.de/
 
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Although the mention of "four bolts" could also suggest a fish plate as the Brits would call it. But then 22lb sounds like a pretty hefty one of those. How much do typical rail joint bars weigh anyway? I have no idea.
22 lbs for a single bar is on the light side.

A pair of 24 inch joint bars for 115 lb/yd rail weigh 70.56 pounds. A single bar, that is one side of the joint, weighs 35.28 pounds. I think the norm in Europe is the four hole bar, which is what a 24 inch bar is. I picked 115 lb rail because that would be about the same in web as the UIC 60 that is 60 kg/m = real close to 120 lb/yd rail that is the French standard main line rail section. I understand that they do still have quite a lot of 50kg/m rail in track. A bar for that section may be close to 22 lb. Since the 100 RE rail is no longer in the AREMA standards, I can't look that one up sitting here, as I only have the current info at hand.
 
Although the mention of "four bolts" could also suggest a fish plate as the Brits would call it. But then 22lb sounds like a pretty hefty one of those. How much do typical rail joint bars weigh anyway? I have no idea.
22 lbs for a single bar is on the light side.

A pair of 24 inch joint bars for 115 lb/yd rail weigh 70.56 pounds. A single bar, that is one side of the joint, weighs 35.28 pounds. I think the norm in Europe is the four hole bar, which is what a 24 inch bar is. I picked 115 lb rail because that would be about the same in web as the UIC 60 that is 60 kg/m = real close to 120 lb/yd rail that is the French standard main line rail section. I understand that they do still have quite a lot of 50kg/m rail in track. A bar for that section may be close to 22 lb. Since the 100 RE rail is no longer in the AREMA standards, I can't look that one up sitting here, as I only have the current info at hand.
But the fishplate is disappearing species with the spread of welded rail. How probably is it that a main line passed for 90mph would still use fishplates?
 
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Although the mention of "four bolts" could also suggest a fish plate as the Brits would call it. But then 22lb sounds like a pretty hefty one of those. How much do typical rail joint bars weigh anyway? I have no idea.
22 lbs for a single bar is on the light side.

A pair of 24 inch joint bars for 115 lb/yd rail weigh 70.56 pounds. A single bar, that is one side of the joint, weighs 35.28 pounds. I think the norm in Europe is the four hole bar, which is what a 24 inch bar is. I picked 115 lb rail because that would be about the same in web as the UIC 60 that is 60 kg/m = real close to 120 lb/yd rail that is the French standard main line rail section. I understand that they do still have quite a lot of 50kg/m rail in track. A bar for that section may be close to 22 lb. Since the 100 RE rail is no longer in the AREMA standards, I can't look that one up sitting here, as I only have the current info at hand.
But the fishplate is disappearing species with the spread of welded rail. How probably is it that a main line passed for 90mph would still use fishplates?
I am well aware of that. However, they remain for insulated joints, although usually bonded (epoxy glued) with the primary purpose of the bolts being to hold the bars tight while the glue sets, and to be the safety if the bond breaks. These can be found in any track where an insulated joint is needed for signal purposes. Also,they are used to hold the rails in line temporarily until a field weld can be done.

The French standard bonded insulated joint is somewhere around 900 mm to 980 mm long and has six bolts.

I can think of other possibilities, but I will not speculate.
 
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Although the mention of "four bolts" could also suggest a fish plate as the Brits would call it. But then 22lb sounds like a pretty hefty one of those. How much do typical rail joint bars weigh anyway? I have no idea.
22 lbs for a single bar is on the light side.

A pair of 24 inch joint bars for 115 lb/yd rail weigh 70.56 pounds. A single bar, that is one side of the joint, weighs 35.28 pounds. I think the norm in Europe is the four hole bar, which is what a 24 inch bar is. I picked 115 lb rail because that would be about the same in web as the UIC 60 that is 60 kg/m = real close to 120 lb/yd rail that is the French standard main line rail section. I understand that they do still have quite a lot of 50kg/m rail in track. A bar for that section may be close to 22 lb. Since the 100 RE rail is no longer in the AREMA standards, I can't look that one up sitting here, as I only have the current info at hand.
How often does a 22-pound joint bar break?
 
The cars are all (what was known as) Corail cars, which indicates that it is French intercity service.
Just a pedantic note on the above. Although correct in this instance, as the lignes a grande vitesses (LGV) have opened, TGV services have in most cases replaced older "slow" (200km/h) Corail services. That means you are now finding Corail cars being used on commuter services throughout France, under the TER branding. Between Strasbough and Colmar, for instance, there is regular 200km/h commuter service branded as TER 200.
 
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The cars are all (what was known as) Corail cars, which indicates that it is French intercity service.
Just a pedantic note on the above. Although correct in this instance, as the lignes a grande vitesses (LGV) have opened, TGV services have in most cases replaced older "slow" (200km/h) Corail services. That means you are now finding Corail cars being used on commuter services throughout France, under the TER branding. Between Strasbough and Colmar, for instance, there is regular 200km/h commuter service branded as TER 200.
In fact as far as I am aware, all previous generations of hauled coaching stock have been phased out, and no newer cars were acquired since Corail production ceased, so Corail remains the only type of coach for loco-hauled operation.
 
A heftier one broke on MNRR causing the crash a few weeks back.
Then I guess joint bars aren't very strong.

The cars are all (what was known as) Corail cars, which indicates that it is French intercity service.
Just a pedantic note on the above. Although correct in this instance, as the lignes a grande vitesses (LGV) have opened, TGV services have in most cases replaced older "slow" (200km/h) Corail services. That means you are now finding Corail cars being used on commuter services throughout France, under the TER branding. Between Strasbough and Colmar, for instance, there is regular 200km/h commuter service branded as TER 200.
In fact as far as I am aware, all previous generations of hauled coaching stock have been phased out, and no newer cars were acquired since Corail production ceased, so Corail remains the only type of coach for loco-hauled operation.
So SNCF is doing the same thing the did in the UK, phasing out locomitves in favour of multiple units. Then they neglect the maintainence for trains no longer in production, and more accidents happen.
 
French officials said over the weekend that they believed the accident was caused by the faulty metal plate, although they couldn't absolutely rule out the hypothesis of a malevolent act.
Hmmm. Trains can be derailed just by tinkering with a metal plate? Sounds way too easy.
AFAIK, train wheels only touch the very little flanged bit with the tracks so a tiny deviation could cause a huge accident, especially at high speeds.
 
It could happen. It did happen in Russia (or was it Belarus?) in a way that they suspected the Chechens of sabotage. But how about that huge area of the world where all the rest of the jihadists are operating? I bet they talk about it and some critic says "but all those survivors" Versus van bombs, I suppose putting a train or part of it off the track may seem unimportant. Or unworthy of their needy egos.
 
Remember that all that is reported in the US news media are the few attempts that actually succeed to cause serious mayhem. Attempts that are detected and mitigated are not reported at all.

For eample, just the other day there was a track bombing just outside of Gaya Jn. in India on the Kolkata - Delhi route just ahead of the time when three Rajdhani Expresses are scheduled to pass that area. The track damage was detected by gangmen and trains were regulated so they did not get to the damaged track. The track was repaired and then the trains were again on their way afew hours behind schedule. The terrorists were not Islamic Jihadists but they were Maoists.

This sort of thing is reported only local press, and it is impossible to know about such from the press of the US where what Kim Kardashian did has way more importance that these sorts of things, and perhaps rightly so.
 
India-Pakistan are so violent, I can understand how world press would shrug at their stories. Europe NEVER wants to reach that condition. To me, India is barely a state. No matter how enthusiastic some investment advisors get over its promise. I don't know the occurrences, but buses falling into canyons from roads that cross mountain slopes are one of their favorite catastrophes. Not sure how much better the rail system is. Indian culture is fantastic, but I've read over and over people who got out saying "I'd never go back there".
 
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