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Amtrak has issued a news release summarizing the ridership and revenue numbers for FY2012. The bottom line was a total of 31,240,565 passengers, up +3.5%, and $2.02 billion in ticket revenue. All the LD trains and most corridor trains were up in ridership for the year. Of the corridor services that were down for FY12: Surfliner which noticeably pulled down Amtrak totals, Wolverine, Cascades, Carolinian; they should do better in FY13 if they are not disrupted by prolonged track work outages.

Excerpts from the news release:

In addition, Amtrak system-wide on-time performance increased to 83 percent, up from 78.1 percent and its highest level in 12 years.
Also, FY 2012 produced other ridership achievements including new records for 25 of 44 Amtrak services, and 12 consecutive monthly records with July being the single best month in the history of Amtrak. Since FY 2000, Amtrak ridership is up 49 percent.
All 15 Amtrak long-distance routes experienced an increase in passengers resulting in their best combined ridership numbers in 19 years. Routes setting new ridership records include: Lake Shore Limited (Chicago – New York) up 4.3 percent to almost 404,000; Texas Eagle (Chicago – San Antonio) up 12.8 percent to nearly 338,000; and City of New Orleans (Chicago – New Orleans) up 8.5 percent to more than 253,000. Routes with significant percentage growth in ridership include: the Empire Builder (Chicago – Seattle/Portland) up 15.8 percent to more than 543,000; Coast Starlight (Los Angeles – Seattle) up 6.5 percent to more than 454,000; and Cardinal (New York – Chicago) up 4.9 percent to more than 116,000.
Of course, the EB numbers are in comparison to long outages due to flooding in 2011, so the EB Y to Y numbers are not really fair.
 
I don't really know how to comment on this story. Because I personally think it's one we all saw coming last October. Next year the same topic will come up. Of course it's great to see 31 million riders. People are learning more and more about Amtrak which is great. I've never had a problem with ridership records. I simply think the MPR's and FY's keep getting better and we note it each month when a MPR is released.

If I had to make a statement for Amtrak here. It's that they keep getting better and better. The fares are competitive and the Northeast Corridor has Competitive times with Air Shuttles. They offer a great rewards program and the train is simply becoming the mode of transportation again! :)
 
I am NOT surprised the numbers are up.

1. The number of boomers with disposable income gets larger and larger every year. Many boomers like me grew up near freight and/or passenger trains or saw movies with people riding trains in the 60s/70s or saw the ads and more and more are trying to get back to when life wasn't so "complicated" "Railing" is more relaxing than driving/flying LD.

2. The "economics" For me, the train is better going LD. For others it may be different. Going LAX-WAS or SPG I have to rent a car at SPG or WAS and put my truck in a parking garage at LAX, whether I rail or fly it. It's a wash. Now when I crunch the numbers and ALL the figures for train vs fly, it is ONLY $200-$300 more for the LD train. I use all the figures, ie: airplane tickets, fees, taxes, baggage, airport meals, tips, yada yada yada. It is worth the $200-$300 for my mental well being to train it. It is almost identical for me to LD versus drive my Toyota truck from Las Vegas back east and return. The difference is the wear and tear on me and the truck.

3. Personal unscientific survey- As I spoke with fellow (NON RAIL FAN) passengers in the dining car and sightseer lounge I came away with these reasons why they are "railing it" Price, scenery, the serenity, the train stops EXACTLY where they want to go, the TSA grope fest, flying like a sardine, nickel and dimed to death by the airlines, meeting new people and re-connecting with their youth. It all sounded reasonable to me.

That all being said, I expect ridership to continue to increase year to year. I think the airlines have lost a group they won't get back and I think my generation (the boomers) are going to retire earlier than they originally planned and are going to be one of the groups that impacts AMTRAK ridership more than others. We are ESCAPING the electronic world when we "train" it. We didn't grow up with remote controls, satellite/cable TV, DVRs. email. I Phone, I Pads, cell phones, Facebook, GPS, yada yada yada. We used in the work place and to stay "in touch"

I think it is my generation(and railfans) that hopefully can convince other boomers and the X, Y, Z and what ever the hell we are calling today's 20 somethings generation that there is more to the world than Justin Beiber, reality TV and texting someone who you just saw two minutes ago.

NAVYBLUE
 
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We are ESCAPING the electronic world when we "train" it. We didn't grow up with remote controls, satellite/cable TV, DVRs. email. I Phone, I Pads, cell phones, Facebook, GPS, yada yada yada. We used in the work place and to stay "in touch"
I think that's a pretty unsustainable way to look at rail travel.

Many people talk about the advantage of rail travel in the context that it allows them to stay connected.

I have a couple of friends who truly see the value in travelling by train especially because they can get work done because they don't have to deal with the airport circus or concentrate on driving.

While it's great that the boomers find rail travel as a way to disconnect, i wouldn't recommend that that be something that should be necessarily advertised.

Granted, if you're on a LD train you will lose connection and I have learned how to enjoy that as well - but I think the places where you don't get reception are going to get less and less every year. It's a fact that our future will become more connected, not less. As a "20 something" I welcome it.
 
I'll get on this tonight, but the big numbers for me are that revenue broke $2 billion and PPR was up noticeably. I'll also try and extrapolate some August/September figures for comparison.

Worthwhile question for those with access to older data (though I might just invoke a press credential I have for a local online paper and ask myself at some point): Was the "best LD ridership in 19 years" figure for the 15 extant trains? Or for the whole LD network? This seems rather relevant since 19 years ago was FY93, and the LD network that existed in 1993 was substantially larger (to begin with, it had the Broadway, I believe the Sunset East, the Pioneer, and the Desert Wind; I think the Niagara Rainbow might have still been around, and I can't recall when the Pennsylvanian went LD).

It would not surprise me at all if the smaller network was outdoing the larger, older one in sheer numbers: 1993 was before the Capitol Limited (and a few other trains) went to Superliners. But 1993 was a far, far different system. Also of note: The early 1990s were when LD passenger miles peaked, so if this is for the whole system then vs. the whole system now, we're likely on the cusp of outdoing those numbers from a 20-train LD system with a 15-train LD system.
 
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Worthwhile question for those with access to older data (though I might just invoke a press credential I have for a local online paper and ask myself at some point): Was the "best LD ridership in 19 years" figure for the 15 extant trains? Or for the whole LD network? This seems rather relevant since 19 years ago was FY93, and the LD network that existed in 1993 was substantially larger (to begin with, it had the Broadway, I believe the Sunset East, the Pioneer, and the Desert Wind; I think the Niagara Rainbow might have still been around, and I can't recall when the Pennsylvanian went LD).
It is not clear from the phrasing whether the LD ridership comparison is for the 15 remaining LD trains or all of the LD trains running 19 years ago. It could be just for the 15 remaining, but even that would not be a direct comparison. Got different or longer routes for some, 3 days a week versus daily, combined with a former LD train route that used to split off which was dropped. Should pull up a schedule from the historical timetable website for 1993 and figure out what was running then, how often, and where in what could be considered the LD train category.

19 years ago, Amtrak had a lot more heritage equipment available. More sleepers, crew-dorms, etc for the single levels. There has also been attrition losses of the Superliners and Amfleet IIs. If Amtrak is matching ridership numbers from 19 years ago for the LD trains, even for the same 15 trains setting aside the differences, they are doing it with less equipment.

One thing to note from the revenue numbers:

NEC (Acela + NE Regionals): $1.046 billion

Other corridor services: $458 million

LD trains: $516 million

Pretty lose to a 50%-25%-25% distribution of paid revenue, not counting state corridor subsidies, etc. The state corridor services should see growth in the revenue share in the next 2-3 years with the corridor improvements, service expansions.

In the LD train ridership and revenue numbers, the Crescent had only +0.1% growth in ridership but +8.5% in revenue. With the NYP-ATL demand, getting aggressive on the higher bucket prices it appears.
 
We are ESCAPING the electronic world when we "train" it. We didn't grow up with remote controls, satellite/cable TV, DVRs. email. I Phone, I Pads, cell phones, Facebook, GPS, yada yada yada. We used in the work place and to stay "in touch"
I think that's a pretty unsustainable way to look at rail travel.

Many people talk about the advantage of rail travel in the context that it allows them to stay connected.

I have a couple of friends who truly see the value in travelling by train especially because they can get work done because they don't have to deal with the airport circus or concentrate on driving.

While it's great that the boomers find rail travel as a way to disconnect, i wouldn't recommend that that be something that should be necessarily advertised.

Granted, if you're on a LD train you will lose connection and I have learned how to enjoy that as well - but I think the places where you don't get reception are going to get less and less every year. It's a fact that our future will become more connected, not less. As a "20 something" I welcome it.
My point is "training" ALLOWS me and others to disconnect if we CHOSE to. I don't have to see cable news ever where I turn on the train like at the airport. I don't have to watch as virtually everyone is on their computer/I Pad/I Phone/cell phone at the airport as if they are missing something REALLY important.. I have an air card I use with my Dell Inspiron Mini to check email and bank transactions once a day on the train. After that off it goes.

I don't want to talk to people electronically while on the train, I want to talk WITH people while on the train. I have a basic philosophy. If I haven't helped at least one person a day and learned something new that day, the day was not fruitful for me.

Outside of the NE Corridor, I don't think a large majority of the people are "working" as they ride the train. On my trip from LAX-CHI-WAS and return I saw very few people in the public areas glued to a cell phone, computer or I Phone. They were reading, watching the scenery and talking.

I unfortunately see the day where people hide in their sleeper or at their coach seat because it has a DVD screen to watch the news, movies, check email, SKYPE etc. I met some great people on the train and heard some funny, sad, entertaining and enlightening stories. I hope that never goes away.

NAVYBLUE
 
It's a fact that our future will become more connected, not less. As a "20 something" I welcome it.
What we are getting connected to is regurgitaded static in small boxes made of plastic and computer chips. Connected means looking at real faces, eye to eye, talking over dinner, and sharing a laugh under the sunlight - far better than seeing these things on a screen and talking into a mouthpiece. Connectivity via cellphones and computer indeed was intended to open up new avenues of communicaton, not replace it. A common theme with mental health experts, clergy, and everyday shlubs like you and me is that people feel more isolated than before, and perhaps, just perhaps, there are psychosocial dynamics of trains that depowers the importance of that next cellphone call. After all, why the hell would anyone want to yak on their mobile devices when the people you wanna talk with are just across the table or sitting next seat?
 
I am glad for this news, yet there is a noticable malaise here. I see how this ever increasing number being misused towards convincing others new rolling stock is not all that urgent, since Amtrak is doing so splendid with what they got, we can delay next generation railcars and locomotives just another few months. And another few. Or until next fiscal year. Or until the effects of Hurricane Katrina are all cleaned up and the states say and pay and only if da little train elf does 17 cartwheels while eating peanuts and saying the "Our Father"...... and so on and so on........
 
I think it is my generation(and railfans) that hopefully can convince other boomers and the X, Y, Z and what ever the hell we are calling today's 20 somethings generation that there is more to the world than Justin Beiber, reality TV and texting someone who you just saw two minutes ago.

NAVYBLUE
I know the world ain't those things. The world is listening to Madonna and Tom Petty on a cd player, checking out somebody's sexy curves in a tight pair of Levis (and their checking me out too), consuming beer or champagne (not together) with friends, feeling happy, and last but not least: listening to the great, great sound of the Nathan chimed sirens on my Amtrak train up front while being rocked and rolled.
 
Ridership is up for a number of good reasons. Here is what is believe is driving the ridership number up.

1 The price of gasoline

2. The degrading treatment of passengers by the TSA Brownshirts at the airports.

3. The superior comfort of rail travel.

4. Air fares are rising rapidly. Amtrak is in many cases more economical than flying, especially in coach.

Here is a comparison based on our trip to Chi in 2013.

Air Fare $330 R/T per person + Baggage charge of at least $100 R/T for 2. Total fare $760. Airport parking $120 (8 days) Total ost $880

Amtrak (Bedroom Fare, at low bucket) $783.50 for 2 R/T Parking will only cost us $20 for 8 days as we will be parked at HFY a national park site. There is room for 700 cars there. We also need to add about $75 differential in fuel and wear and tear costs for the car trip to the point of departure. .

It comes out to $880 flying in coach to $878 for sleeper fare to CHI so for about the same cost (if we can book low bucket)we can travel leisurely to CHI on the train, eat breakfast and dinner each way and have our private room with a shower.
 
Amtrak has issued a news release summarizing the ridership and revenue numbers for FY2012. The bottom line was a total of 31,240,565 passengers, up +3.5%, and $2.02 billion in ticket revenue. All the LD trains and most corridor trains were up in ridership for the year. Of the corridor services that were down for FY12: Surfliner which noticeably pulled down Amtrak totals, Wolverine, Cascades, Carolinian; they should do better in FY13 if they are not disrupted by prolonged track work outages.

Excerpts from the news release:

In addition, Amtrak system-wide on-time performance increased to 83 percent, up from 78.1 percent and its highest level in 12 years.
Also, FY 2012 produced other ridership achievements including new records for 25 of 44 Amtrak services, and 12 consecutive monthly records with July being the single best month in the history of Amtrak. Since FY 2000, Amtrak ridership is up 49 percent.
All 15 Amtrak long-distance routes experienced an increase in passengers resulting in their best combined ridership numbers in 19 years. Routes setting new ridership records include: Lake Shore Limited (Chicago – New York) up 4.3 percent to almost 404,000; Texas Eagle (Chicago – San Antonio) up 12.8 percent to nearly 338,000; and City of New Orleans (Chicago – New Orleans) up 8.5 percent to more than 253,000. Routes with significant percentage growth in ridership include: the Empire Builder (Chicago – Seattle/Portland) up 15.8 percent to more than 543,000; Coast Starlight (Los Angeles – Seattle) up 6.5 percent to more than 454,000; and Cardinal (New York – Chicago) up 4.9 percent to more than 116,000.
Of course, the EB numbers are in comparison to long outages due to flooding in 2011, so the EB Y to Y numbers are not really fair.
It says that OTP is the highest in 12 years, So you mean the OTP was better in 2000? I remember that back then LDs got a lot more delays than now.

I'll get on this tonight, but the big numbers for me are that revenue broke $2 billion and PPR was up noticeably. I'll also try and extrapolate some August/September figures for comparison.

Worthwhile question for those with access to older data (though I might just invoke a press credential I have for a local online paper and ask myself at some point): Was the "best LD ridership in 19 years" figure for the 15 extant trains? Or for the whole LD network? This seems rather relevant since 19 years ago was FY93, and the LD network that existed in 1993 was substantially larger (to begin with, it had the Broadway, I believe the Sunset East, the Pioneer, and the Desert Wind; I think the Niagara Rainbow might have still been around, and I can't recall when the Pennsylvanian went LD).

It would not surprise me at all if the smaller network was outdoing the larger, older one in sheer numbers: 1993 was before the Capitol Limited (and a few other trains) went to Superliners. But 1993 was a far, far different system. Also of note: The early 1990s were when LD passenger miles peaked, so if this is for the whole system then vs. the whole system now, we're likely on the cusp of outdoing those numbers from a 20-train LD system with a 15-train LD system.
This kinda connects to that old thread I started about Amtrak's old ridership. What was the ridership in 1993? Anybody know?

Ridership is up for a number of good reasons. Here is what is believe is driving the ridership number up.

1 The price of gasoline

2. The degrading treatment of passengers by the TSA Brownshirts at the airports.

3. The superior comfort of rail travel.

4. Air fares are rising rapidly. Amtrak is in many cases more economical than flying, especially in coach.

Here is a comparison based on our trip to Chi in 2013.

Air Fare $330 R/T per person + Baggage charge of at least $100 R/T for 2. Total fare $760. Airport parking $120 (8 days) Total ost $880

Amtrak (Bedroom Fare, at low bucket) $783.50 for 2 R/T Parking will only cost us $20 for 8 days as we will be parked at HFY a national park site. There is room for 700 cars there. We also need to add about $75 differential in fuel and wear and tear costs for the car trip to the point of departure. .

It comes out to $880 flying in coach to $878 for sleeper fare to CHI so for about the same cost (if we can book low bucket)we can travel leisurely to CHI on the train, eat breakfast and dinner each way and have our private room with a shower.
I think I have some important ones to add:

5. The decreased comfort of air travel. CRJs are taking over ex-mainliners, old regional routes are getting discountinued. CRJs are really uncomfortable, the bigger planes are getting more seats, smaller seats, thinner seats, harder seat, less legroom, etc. Mea;s have also been cut even on transcons, checked baggage gets more expensive, the problems don't just end at prices and security.

6. All the fees! Everything needs fees. I especially hate NK, they seem dirt-cheap but EVERYTHING cost extra money on them! Their planes are horrible, too! I bet people would not hate airlines as much if they didn't have so many fees and just charged high prices! But the airlines just won't stop, would they?!

Now about "connecting" to the "world," I think that it would be great for Amtrak to offer more connections (Wi-Fi) but passengers don't have to use it. Personally I woudn't use it much either, but Amtrak could just convince more pax to ride and hope they'll find out that trains are great even without using electronics, then that they come back again. This is already happening a lot but some young people just don't understand that it's OK to "disconnect" for two days.
 
Ridership is up for a number of good reasons. Here is what is believe is driving the ridership number up.

1 The price of gasoline

2. The degrading treatment of passengers by the TSA Brownshirts at the airports.

3. The superior comfort of rail travel.

4. Air fares are rising rapidly. Amtrak is in many cases more economical than flying, especially in coach.

Here is a comparison based on our trip to Chi in 2013.

Air Fare $330 R/T per person + Baggage charge of at least $100 R/T for 2. Total fare $760. Airport parking $120 (8 days) Total ost $880

Amtrak (Bedroom Fare, at low bucket) $783.50 for 2 R/T Parking will only cost us $20 for 8 days as we will be parked at HFY a national park site. There is room for 700 cars there. We also need to add about $75 differential in fuel and wear and tear costs for the car trip to the point of departure. .

It comes out to $880 flying in coach to $878 for sleeper fare to CHI so for about the same cost (if we can book low bucket)we can travel leisurely to CHI on the train, eat breakfast and dinner each way and have our private room with a shower.
Isn't this stating the obvious? The only one I don't agree with is your third reason... Because there are a lot of First Time riders these days. They just hear about it from a friend who rode Amtrak. Sure there are repeat riders. But the reason it goes up is because of First Time riders.
 
Ok, now that I'm actually somewhere I can sit down and think, I've got some thoughts:

1) Pulling up the July Monthly Performance Report, Amtrak was projecting $1,968m in ticket revenue. The final numbers came out to $2,020m, $52m ahead of the budget, or about 2.5% above those projections. This is particularly interesting because it would, all else being equal, bring Amtrak to within $10 million of federal operating support, more or less erasing the variance projected in July. Moreover, it seems quite possible that this number closed a bit further with F&B. This is very, very good if it comes to pass, as it reduces the likelihood of at least some possible cuts in the short term.

2) Overall PPR was $64.66 for FY12, as opposed to $62.67 for FY11. This is an increase of about 3.2%, which isn't bad considering the rather sluggish economy. Going by category:

A) The Acela saw PPR rise from $145.50 to $149.64, an increase of 2.85%, slightly above the (rather bouncy) trend of the last few years; I will be exceedingly surprised if this doesn't break $150 in FY13 (another similar year would put PPR in the $153-154 range). Yes, this was less than the increase we saw last year; blame this on Regional cannibalization. It's good to see that the Acela eked out an increase for the year; it missed setting a record by about 3500 riders.

B) The NE Regionals saw PPR rise from $65.32 last year to $66.84, an increase of 2.33%, again in line with the last few years. At least some of the increase in ridership altered the market mix here, and I don't know how the PHL-PVD/BOS markets compare with overall average fares. Worth noting as well: Ridership on the Regionals alone jumped by barely under 500,000.

C) Short Corridors saw the biggest percentage increase in PPR, from $28.26 to $30.37, a jump of just under 7.5%. However, PPR increases were pretty tame on most routes; the exceptions were the Surfliner (from $19.85 to $22.19, up 11.79%), the Vermonter (an increase of somewhere around 15% due to un-truncation for part of the year), the Keystones, and the Piedmonts. The most notable laggard was the Wolverine (the only regional route to take a revenue hit, and one of only two to suffer a noticeable dip in PPR; the other was the Quincy route).

D) LD trains saw a shock-loaded jump in ridership and an associated boost to PPR and revenue. PPR rose from $106.43 to $108.95, a rise of 2.4%. Interestingly, ridership was up on all trains, and PPR was up on all but three (the Starlight, the Eagle, and the Chief; the last of these also suffered a revenue decline amid a slight increase in ridership). Naturally, this was all a bit of a muddle because of the disruptions last year.

3) Particular route observations:

A) The NEC is chugging along nicely, though capacity issues do seem to be setting in and Amtrak is now stuck balancing fare increases with pricing itself out of the market.

B) The Virginia routes' combined ridership broke 800,000. However...*drumroll*

-The WAS-NPN route had a better last two months of the year than its first ten months (110,248 riders vs. 92,442 riders for the two months this year and last year, an increase of 19.3%[!]). Some of this was likely "disruption rebound" from the hurricane last year, but it's still a doozy of a jump.

-The Lynchburger saw 29,399 riders in the last two months of this year 27,657 last year, an increase of 6.3%. It's not what we're used to seeing, but ridership growth seems to have resumed at a much tamer pace after a few rough months. Still, a caveat applies about the disruption last year. I suspect the Lynchburger will be in a stable holding pattern somewhere around 180,000-200,000 for a little while pending any service changes.

-Combined passenger revenue for the routes was about $45.7 million. What is staggering to consider, from what I can tell, is that the VA routes are likely both in the black AND are bringing in about 3/4 the revenue of the Surfliners with 1/3 the ridership. Granted, they're very different operations, but it's still staggering.

-Combined ridership was up nearly 90,000 (22,856 and 66,336 for the LYH and NPN routes respectivelt) Considering what happened with the WAS-NPN route at the end of this year, it seems quite believable that with the NFK extension coming on line as well, total state ridership could believably hit 900,000 next year (though my bet is for somewhere in the 860-870k range, as I think Norfolk is going to be a bit of a mediocrity given the pre-5AM departure).

C) The Carolinian may well have ended the year in the black as well...it almost assuredly spent the last two months there, given that it went from +0.6% in revenue to +5.3% in revenue in two months. Similarly, it all but erased the YTD ridership deficit (ridership in those two months was 52,262 vs. 41,727, an increase of 25.2%[!]). Barring another major disruption next year, this might be a third profitable corridor train even before the new accounting hits it.

D) I know I've said it before, but I'll mention it again: The Adirondack is increasingly limited not by demand but by space on board. The negotiations between NY State and Amtrak here should be interesting, especially once the new facility goes in at Montreal and the nominal schedule time likely gets cut accordingly.

E) On the LD routes, just aboute everyone got a chance to recover from disruptions and/or knock-on effects thereof. However, comparing results to previous years:

-The Star and Meteor are both light-years above where they were five years ago, with combined ridership being just over 800k vs. approx. 620k in FY07. That there is no mention of records is a hint of just how far this service's ridership must have fallen under Warrington.

-The Palmetto's ridership was flat...but PPR was up solidly alongside the Silvers. Overall, the ex-Silver Service trio BARELY missed out on one million riders this year (999,218).

-The Cardinal is also up about as much as can be expected, considering capacity constraints, delays, and scheduling issues. One wonders what a daily train with consistent(ly good) OTP and a more standard set of equipment would do on this route.

-The Builder's rebound brought it to within about 12k of its 2008 record of 554,266 (and safely above FY10). Assuming that things continue apace in North Dakota and there isn't another major disruption, the Builder should easily break that record next year. Looking forward, I can't help but wonder if the Builder is even capable of 600k riders with its current equipment. Likewise, if there are predictable worker travel patterns in the oilfields in ND, it might behoove Amtrak to make an extra coach appear on those days if they can scrounge the car for it. Unless you get a serious airline boom in the state as well, Amtrak should have a lot of mileage to get out of this.

-The Cap is basically in park. Ditto the Chief, though in the latter case it may be a function of already high fares (the Chief's PPR exceeded all other LD trains save the Auto Train until last year; since then, it's hit a wall) and/or capacity in some markets. Further analysis will need to wait until the PIP comes out.

-The CONO got a solid rebound...from a disruption that didn't even induce a ridership decline. 253k riders has it chasing the Auto Train in terms of ridership...

-...and chasing the Texas Eagle, which is just burning up the charts. Checking the footnote, about 1/4 of the riders here are on the IL corridor, which may also be helping the CONO (which seems to have about 50k riders on its corridor as well). The Eagle is on fire; though PPR was off, I'm going to guess that this is down to a rise in corridor ridership (which is likely driving the ridership jump here). Considering the situation on the Chief, it seems quite plausible that the Eagle could catch it in the next few years in terms of ridership, if just because of the corridor situation.

-The Sunset is the Sunset. It's back over 100k for the first time since FY03.

-The Coast Starlight finally broke through its FY03 ridership levels. That this wasn't listed as a record is another hint at Warrington damage.

-The LSL is up pretty solidly.

-The Crescent is up as well, albeit only barely. I'm not sure what hit the NS line in the last few months, but something sure did.

-Finally, the Auto Train...PPR was $274.59 vs. $263.98 last year. Can't wait to see the PIP here, since it's pretty clear that Amtrak is using increased fares to (desperately) manage demand.

4) Looking forward, it's going to be pretty hard to break 32 million next year. A lot of the growth for this year was "shock loaded" into the system by all of the problems last year (LD disruptions plus Irene). That and the political environment are going to make for a bit more "exciting" of a ride than I'd like.

The Acela (and increasingly the NEC at large) are gushing money, and might well be able to power Amtrak through some rough spots. With losses on the state routes likely vanishing to negligibility (and then only due to calculation quirks) in the next few years and equipment rental charges (and maintenance revenue for state-owned cars) coming in to Amtrak, I can envision the need for federal support dropping off slowly. It's going to be a nerve-wracking ride, but I can see a situation where the numbers ultimately work out for Amtrak to be able to cut its operating subsidy.

The biggest jam seems to be the Acela situation...but seeing as the Acela is bringing in something like 40% more than it costs to run, if a bid can be found this should be a big hit. Failing that, Amtrak really needs to press to move the Acela II project ahead ASAP given that it's not likely they can beat but so much more capacity out of the current equipment.

One thought: Boardman has said he's not going to order more Superliners until Congress decides what it wants done with the LD trains. Sooner or later, I think Boardman and Amtrak are going to need to either:

A) Come up with at least a midsized order plan (i.e. perhaps 100 cars to supplement the Superliners) to present absent a clear direction just to keep the lights on and meet increasing demand, or

B) Come up with a plan to beef up the Viewliner order and convert some options around (i.e. baggage cars to diners or sleepers) and get the Next-Gen coach orders in line (they're working on a mock-up of one at Wilmington now) to convert one or more trains from Superliners to Viewliners. The TE/SL/CONO "complex" is the only real candidate for this, but it might be worth considering absent an unforseen event.

Coming from this is a practical question: Where's the ceiling on various LD routes in terms of ridership? I'm not sure how much more room there is for increasing ridership with the current equipment allocations...the Meteor seems likely to get "stuck" at 400,000 or so absent added cars; the Star might get past 450,000 due to turnover at Orlampa (though the FEC is set to make a hash of this situation in a few years), but the 100,000 increase that Amtrak projects from the Amtrak-FEC service implies substantial extra capacity on that route. The LSL is doing better, but it also has a pretty solid mid-route turnover point at Buffalo. And of course, the Zephyr has all sorts of complicated issues that have come up elsewhere (where ridership demand west of Reno and east of Grand Junction and/or Denver are causing issues).

The same question begs on various corridors...the WAS-LYH corridor seems to be reasonably close to capacity (assuming a 7-car set most days, they're filling an average of around 2/3 of those seats by the time you hit the DC area...even allowing for some ALX turnover, considering how much boarding you get at WAS I can see the limit being seating rather than demand), and a number of other routes have seen explosive growth over the last few years (the Downeaster has added 140k riders in five years) and/or have known crowding issues and capacity limits (the Adirondack is squeezed on one side by border issues and on the other side by downstate traffic).
 
It says that OTP is the highest in 12 years, So you mean the OTP was better in 2000? I remember that back then LDs got a lot more delays than now.

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This kinda connects to that old thread I started about Amtrak's old ridership. What was the ridership in 1993? Anybody know?

5. The decreased comfort of air travel. CRJs are taking over ex-mainliners, old regional routes are getting discountinued. CRJs are really uncomfortable, the bigger planes are getting more seats, smaller seats, thinner seats, harder seat, less legroom, etc. Mea;s have also been cut even on transcons, checked baggage gets more expensive, the problems don't just end at prices and security.
The On-Time Performance might have used different metrics 12 years ago. I think the NEC OTP is likely much better than it was 12 years ago after the injection of funds for power system repair & replacement, maintenance starting around 2006. Without a detailed OTP report from 12 years ago, can't say much about FY12 OTP versus FY2000 OTP.

Yes, the total ridership numbers for each year are available and were listed in the Amtrak 40th Anniversary book. In FY1993, the official ridership count was 22.06 million, a number that was not reached again until FY2003 (using the Amtrak ridership numbers w/o the Clockers). The big growth since 1993 has been in the non-NEC corridors: California, Downeaster, Cascades, Midwest, and likely the VA Regionals & the revival of the Keystone service.

On air travel, the CRJ and regional jets are being dropped from service, not taking over. The 50 to 70 seat regional jets were the big new thing in the late 90s and early 2000's, but the economics of operating them have been hammered with $90 to $100 a barrel oil. The airlines are consolidating with fewer flights to connecting hub airports from the smaller to medium sized airports using 737s and A320 Airbuses with more seats in place of the regional jets. The total number of domestic commercial flights for all the commercial carriers has been trending downward since a peak in 2005. Oh, yes, the airlines are cramming more people in the shorter distance flights to squeeze the last drop out of revenue.
 
It is good to see that folks are using trains, despite Amtrak's reputation for inconsistent service quality.
 
When people talk about Baby Boomers and "seeing trains in movies" Etc. I'd like to add this bit of history...

Baby Boomers were born between 1946 and 1964.

I was born in 1947. We still had street cars when I was a kid. We still rode commuter trains from Milwaukee to Chicago. (North Shore Line) I rode the Monon back from Indiana in the 60s, and the Milwaukee Road to MPLS, a beautiful scenic ride along the Mississippi.

Yes I am older and I have more time and I'm tired of going to the airport two hours in advance and waiting because of some flawed, fabricated security system that is hardly functional or practical. Short runs, like Milwaukee to Chicago, I can be there, before the plane takes off. :cool: I'm still planning the Fall trip or Spring, still don't know where, but that doesn't matter. Albuquerque, Elko or Texarcana, I'll be going somewhere. Yes it's a vacation and everything will take one day longer to get there and one day longer to come back. So what? The rail portion is just as much an experience as the vacation part. I think people today forget that part.

The journey is just as important as the destination when traveling on rail. You aren't going someplace, you are someplace, and on a train. :lol:

But please don't assume that Baby Boomers recall the nostalgia from seeing it on TV or movies, not from experiencing it in person. Amtrak was former in 1970. Heck I was graduating from college and going into the Army in 1970!
 
4) Looking forward, it's going to be pretty hard to break 32 million next year. A lot of the growth for this year was "shock loaded" into the system by all of the problems last year (LD disruptions plus Irene). That and the political environment are going to make for a bit more "exciting" of a ride than I'd like.
I have a number of thoughts and comments of my own on your comments here which I may find time to post later. On the total ridership, I don't see why it would be hard to break 32 million in FY13. That would take a +2.5% increase over FY12. The NE and VA Regionals should continue to grow. The major track work disruptions are reportedly done for the CHI-STL corridor, so that should be able to get onto a solid growth path. I would expect the Keystone and Empire services to continue the steady 3% to 5% growth. Same for the Hiawathas at 2% to 3%.

On the down side, the Surfliner and Capital Corridor services may undercut the total system growth numbers. If the Surfliner ridership had increased by 2% or 3% instead of declining by -5.3%, that would have added 200K or more to the Amtrak totals. With a lot of LOSSAN track and route improvement projects in the pipeline, the Surfliner may be an underperformer for the few years for ridership growth. Major disruptions for HSIPR funded track projects may cut into ridership for some corridors such as the Wolverine and, depending on the plans for FY13, Cascades, Piedmont, Carolinian.

The other factor that may push down ridership growth are aggressive ticket prices, notably those for corridors that will need more state support funding in FY14. Maximize revenue over ridership to improve cost recovery. Still, 32 million in ridership for FY13 should be achievable.
 
One thought: Boardman has said he's not going to order more Superliners until Congress decides what it wants done with the LD trains. Sooner or later, I think Boardman and Amtrak are going to need to either:

A) Come up with at least a midsized order plan (i.e. perhaps 100 cars to supplement the Superliners) to present absent a clear direction just to keep the lights on and meet increasing demand, or

B) Come up with a plan to beef up the Viewliner order and convert some options around (i.e. baggage cars to diners or sleepers) and get the Next-Gen coach orders in line (they're working on a mock-up of one at Wilmington now) to convert one or more trains from Superliners to Viewliners. The TE/SL/CONO "complex" is the only real candidate for this, but it might be worth considering absent an unforseen event.
It's as you say, Congress are going to have to decide whether they actually want LD service, and if so, how much do they want. The present growth may be encouraging but there's still a huge revenue gap and its going to be a huge challenge to decrease that. So at the end of the day, LD service is going to survive because people want it to survive, not for reasons of pure accounting. The rather lame response to the proposed re-routing of the SWC shows that the places that will lose service are not up in arms about it, and the places that will gain service are not exactly singing and dancing either. Only by becoming an indespensible pillar of local communities can LD service build the support that will defend those trains against all threats.
 
4) Looking forward, it's going to be pretty hard to break 32 million next year. A lot of the growth for this year was "shock loaded" into the system by all of the problems last year (LD disruptions plus Irene). That and the political environment are going to make for a bit more "exciting" of a ride than I'd like.
I have a number of thoughts and comments of my own on your comments here which I may find time to post later. On the total ridership, I don't see why it would be hard to break 32 million in FY13. That would take a +2.5% increase over FY12. The NE and VA Regionals should continue to grow. The major track work disruptions are reportedly done for the CHI-STL corridor, so that should be able to get onto a solid growth path. I would expect the Keystone and Empire services to continue the steady 3% to 5% growth. Same for the Hiawathas at 2% to 3%.

On the down side, the Surfliner and Capital Corridor services may undercut the total system growth numbers. If the Surfliner ridership had increased by 2% or 3% instead of declining by -5.3%, that would have added 200K or more to the Amtrak totals. With a lot of LOSSAN track and route improvement projects in the pipeline, the Surfliner may be an underperformer for the few years for ridership growth. Major disruptions for HSIPR funded track projects may cut into ridership for some corridors such as the Wolverine and, depending on the plans for FY13, Cascades, Piedmont, Carolinian.

The other factor that may push down ridership growth are aggressive ticket prices, notably those for corridors that will need more state support funding in FY14. Maximize revenue over ridership to improve cost recovery. Still, 32 million in ridership for FY13 should be achievable.
It's a combination of three things that I think will conspire against it:

1) As you mentioned, the CA corridors and a few others being hit with aggressive price increases. I hate to sound like Obi-Wan Kenobi, but I've got a bad feeling that there's some permanent damage on the Surfliner, and I'm worried about how much more it and a few other lines that saw major PPR jumps can bear.

2) For all that we had a strong finish to this year, we really don't have anymore major disruptions to readily overcome in next year's ridership totals. On the LDs, I think there was 100k of growth "locked up" by disruptions; a similar situation likely exists on the NEC due to the Irene disruptions.

3) LD growth seems pretty restricted due to both rising fares and capacity limits (which are, for what it's worth, deeply linked). On a few corridors where there is growth to be had, there isn't much capacity left (the Adirondack leaps to mind). The same can be said of the Acelas to some extent...you're just running out of seats (or at least affordable seats).

I don't see it as impossible; I just see it as potentially difficult in light of the constraints Amtrak is running into in a lot of places.
 
E) On the LD routes, just aboute everyone got a chance to recover from disruptions and/or knock-on effects thereof. However, comparing results to previous years:

-The Star and Meteor are both light-years above where they were five years ago, with combined ridership being just over 800k vs. approx. 620k in FY07. That there is no mention of records is a hint of just how far this service's ridership must have fallen under Warrington.

-The Palmetto's ridership was flat...but PPR was up solidly alongside the Silvers. Overall, the ex-Silver Service trio BARELY missed out on one million riders this year (999,218).
The Silvers OTP has been getting hit in recent months due to frequent delays in central Florida which appears to due to track work for SunRail. That might be cutting into ridership (growth) for the FL city to city business which is a major part of the Star ridership. The Palmetto numbers were affected by the Monday thru Thursday cancellations in March (ridership down some 7K in March report) for CSX trackwork as was the Carolinian which was confined to the Piedmont corridor IIRC.

Depending on when the major trackwork is completed for Phase 1 of SunRail and if the Palmetto or the Silvers are not interrupted for longish periods for CSX trackwork in FY13, there should be a bump in 3% or 4% growth for the Silvers in FY13.

-The Cardinal is also up about as much as can be expected, considering capacity constraints, delays, and scheduling issues. One wonders what a daily train with consistent(ly good) OTP and a more standard set of equipment would do on this route.

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-The Cap is basically in park. Ditto the Chief, though in the latter case it may be a function of already high fares (the Chief's PPR exceeded all other LD trains save the Auto Train until last year; since then, it's hit a wall) and/or capacity in some markets.
The Cardinal OTP has been better in the past several months. Still not great, running an 1/2 hour or hour behind still common in WV and VA, but better with fewer 2-3 hour late NEC arrivals for #50 eastbound. I saw this report last week in Railway Age about the completion of CREATE project B15 which modernized signals and switches at a yard which improved track speeds from 15 to 30 mph for the route taken by the Cardinal and Hoosier State. Quote from the article: "With the improvements, Amtrak trains and freight trains operating on the IHB main line are expected to pass through in as little as six minutes. Trains used to experience 15 to 30 minutes of delay for every hand-operated switch they navigated as well as when waiting for other trains to navigate the project limits with manual switches." So there has been improvement on a small part of the long Cardinal route. Amtrak status maps archives shows that the Hoosier State has been getting in early a number of times recently.

The CL does appear to be leveling off at 227K passengers. It may be bumping up against the limits of capacity for peak travel days until another sleeper and coach car can be found. Or the Pennsylvanian pass-through cars are added.

What I notice about the Cardinal ridership of 116K, is that if it is extrapolated to 7 days a week w/o any ridership growth to 270K, that it would have more passengers than the CL and the CONO (253K). The Cardinal provides a number of local trips to turn seats over on the trip: Charlottesville to/from the NEC, VA to WV, WV/CIN/IND to Chicago for more revenue. If Amtrak can address the siding and track speed issues on the Buckingham Branch RR, get BBRR & CSX to agree to daily service, after the CAF Viewliners are available to add a baggage-dorm, sleeper, diner, a daily Cardinal should generate as much revenue as the CL or CONO.
 
I'd noticed the lousy OTP for the Silvers, but I hadn't quite connected the dots. That makes a lot of sense. I remember the disruptions further up the line, but I'd been dealing with that in discussing the Carolinian.

On the Cap, I think you're right about the capacity limits. The number there is low "on paper", but there's not a whole lot of turnover on the route (and most of that takes place at Pittsburgh). 227,000 translates into an average of 311 per train. That /seems/ low for an LD train, but IIRC close to half that is through traffic and most of the remainder turns over at Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or Toledo.

Assuming three Superliner coaches at 74 seats each, that's 222 seats. With the sleepers, you have 13 in-service roomettes (14 total less 1 attendant) and 7 in-service bedrooms (5 normal, 1 family, and 1 handicap). Assuming two folks per bedroom and 1.5 per roomette, that's 33.5/sleeper. Times two sleepers would give you 67; plus another 10 roomettes in a transdorm gives you 82 slots.

So basically, you have 304 "slots" on an average train, assuming more-or-less optimal arrangements. In general, I would assume that you can successfully turn over about 30% of seats (mostly EB) since you have a net "bleed" in riders as you get east from CHI (CLE, and PGH add more riders westbound than they discharge, and discharge more EB than they add), and since over 40% of the seats are occupied endpoint-to-endpoint.

All of this taken together means that the Cap, in current form, is probably at about 75% of /theoretical/ capacity, which is probably close to as much as you can hope for (since there are always going to be weekdays in October and February that you just can't fill no matter what).

This actually dovetails nicely with the Cardinal discussion, since the Cardinal is a much more turnover-heavy train (with lots of traffic loaded onto the IND-CHI segment), hence it "beating out" the Cap with daily operation, even with single-level equipment. Moreover, the existing PIP assumed very little change in terms of OTP, etc. If you can get some improvements on that front, it's quite possible that going daily, which was expected to cost $2.1m net, would actually break even or go into the black.
 
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