Group working on Cascadia HSR

[jis]

I made two assertions:
1. Having a great passenger rail network is a pre-requisite for a HSR network.

Except when you are called "Saudi Arabia" I suppose

 

[Tlcooper44]

Except when you are called "Saudi Arabia" I suppose

touché - though they are certainly not without passenger rail altogether.

 

[Devil's Advocate]

I didn't say politicians, nor did I mean politicians if you read carefully. I suppose I could dig through the myriad articles, posts, and videos that I review on a daily basis to try to find the individuals who didn't support the infrastructure bill because it had too much for Amtrak (conventional rail) and none for HSR, but I don't really think I need to in order to support my broader arguement.

So many articles, posts, and videos from which to choose yet you cannot provide the name of a single person, group, or agency of relevance. When you embrace a narrative without evidence is it more properly termed an agenda.

Except when you are called "Saudi Arabia" I suppose

Does any country meet this nebulous prerequisite of fantastic greatness? The world's first HSR was started in the wake of military defeat at a time when highways and aircraft were seen as the future and many believed private vehicles and aircraft would replace most passenger trains. The world's fastest HSR was started in the aftermath of occupation under falling passenger numbers amongst expansive growth in personal vehicles and commercial airlines. The world's largest HSR replaced a lumbering mishmash of unsafe trains. The entire premise seems to be based on a myth perpetuated by an aversion to accept contradictory information. By his reasoning each of these programs was started at the worst possible time and if any of these countries had agreed we would presumably have no HSR today or possibly ever.

 

[Tlcooper44]

So many articles, posts, and videos from which to choose yet you cannot provide the name of a single person, group, or agency of relevance. When you embrace a narrative without evidence is it more properly termed an agenda.


Does any country meet this nebulous prerequisite of fantastic greatness? The world's first HSR was started in the wake of military defeat at a time when highways and aircraft were seen as the future and many believed private vehicles and aircraft would replace most passenger trains. The world's fastest HSR was started in the aftermath of occupation under falling passenger numbers amongst expansive growth in personal vehicles and commercial airlines. The world's largest HSR replaced a lumbering mishmash of unsafe trains. The entire premise seems to be based on a myth perpetuated by an aversion to accept contradictory information. By his reasoning each of these programs was started at the worst possible time and if any of these countries had agreed we would presumably have no HSR today or possibly ever.

Well, you make many good points and im starting to agree with you! clearly your ego is more invested in this argument than mine.

I don’t think my argument or agenda, as you so cleverly put it (wrong it may be), had no ground to stand on whatsoever, though your attitude and lack of respect makes me out to be a fool for writing anything in the first place.

You’re a smart fellow and clearly must be well researched in every single post you write, so I don’t care to pick apart rock solid arguments.
Happy new year

 

[NES28]

I've been reading the exchange in this thread and feel that there are a few important points that the discussion has missed:

• Significant investment in HSR is only just justified in corridors with significant demand: Outside the NEC studies have identified these as 4 lines radiating out of Chicago (MSP, Indy, STL, & DET), 3 routes out of Atlanta (ORL, CLT, and, maybe NAS), CAHSR (SF-LA/Anaheim), TX triangle, PDX-SEA-VAN, and LA-PHX. These total about 6000 miles.
• Whether high or higher speed, these routes all justify, and can support, frequent service. It is not realistic to expect that the freight RRs in these corridors would permit the frequency and speed that the market can support.
• Thus, dedicated passenger rail tracks are required.
• Once you have purchased or constructed dedicated tracks you might as well pay a bit more to separate the roadway crossings, and a bit more to electrify. Bingo: you have HSR routes!
• The grade seps and electrification can be added over time but it is necessary to start by assembling the ROWs and environmental clearance.
• The Brightline and Texas Central examples suggest that if the public sector assembles the ROW and environmental clearance it is possible that the private sector will construct the tracks/electrification at their risk.
• Trains from the secondary tier of routes which only justify more conventional can use the HSR routes to access to the major hubs.
• Long distance routes could use this network; think CHI-IND-NAS-ATL-ORL-MIA in 8-10 hours, a nice overnight and a lot of daytime service to the many city pairs that would be served.