Catastrophic failure over a war zone with no prior anomalies? Insurgent claims of shooting down an An-26 and using the smoke of MH17 as proof just prior to reports of losing contact with MH17? Air traffic dispatchers working that area reporting on twitter that the plane was shot down? The odds are strongly in favor of it having in fact been shot down.Reports that it was "shot down" are HIGHLY speculative at this point and seems to be based on comments from a Ukrainian government official
who may or may not have any evidence to support his claim. It's clear that the plane experienced a catastrophic crash-landing.
Anything beyond that is pure speculation as of this writing.
This."Odds are" means it is not fact yet; therefore, the title of the thread is inappropriate. The only truth at this point is that it crashed.
Ouch Jim. As a TV news producer... that's a bit of a burn.Ditto! I'm waiting for a Reliable source to verify it like BBC or CBC! (Not American Cable Networks!)!
If it Bleeds it Leads is, sadly, the new Mantra for our News Organizations!
PS: I've heard the "if it bleeds, it leads" comment a million times... but I'm pretty sure you would never watch the news if my lead story was a waterskiing squirrel and the story about the deadly plane crash ran at 10 minutes past the hour."A Malaysian airliner carrying 295 people crashes in the east Ukraine conflict zone on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, amid allegations of a missile attack."
It's things like this that make me wish there were more things like waterskiing squirrels on the news, as Ricky mentioned. This is so sad, regardless of what caused it.Regardless of what caused this disaster, it's worth mentioning again that apparently 295 people lost their lives. There will be a lot of grief in Amsterdam, Kuala Lumpur and elsewhere today.
Korean Air lost 8 in a decade didn't they?What are the odds that TWO Malaysian planes in a row crash...?
Ed,
Bezler - "We just hit an airplane. The group "Minyora." It fell on Enakievo.
Geranin - "Airplanes? Where - airplanes?"
Bezler - "We went to find and photograph the downed plane."
Geranin - "How many minutes ago?"
Bezler - "About 30 minutes ago."
Grek - "Yes, Mayor"
Mayor - "So, these 'Chernukhinskie' hit a plane. From the Chernukhinskovo area. The Cossacks, that are at Chernukhino"
Grek - "The airplane fell from the sky in the area of the Peter-Paul Mine. The first "two-hundred." They found the first "two-hundred." It's civilian.
Mayor - "Well, what now?"
Grek - "Basically, there were civilians on board"
Mayor - "Were there a lot of people there?"
Grek - "Well @#$%, the wreckage fell all over the field"
Mayor - "Which board?"
Grek - "I'm not sure yet, I haven't been next to the beginning part yet. I just look there, where the first bodies fell. There are internal brackets, chairs, bodies"
Mayor - "Do they have any weapons at all?"
Grek - "None at all. Just civilian things. Medicine, toiletries, toilet paper..."
Mayor - "Do they have documents?"
Grek - "Yes, there's an Indian student from Thompson University."
BBC, Channel News Asia, The Telegraph and even Russia Today have been discussing the likelihood that the plane was shot down. Right now everyone in the region will play the blame game until some semblance of the truth finally makes its way out.Ditto! I'm waiting for a Reliable source to verify it like BBC or CBC! (Not American Cable Networks!)!
If it Bleeds it Leads is, sadly, the new Mantra for our News Organizations!
My first thought, upon hearing there were Americans on-board, was, "Lusitania."I have a feeling the Ukranians did it to draw us into the anti-Russian side of things. I pray to god this doesn't result in a world war.
Yes, it does now appear far more likely that the plane was brought down by a missile. I don't think anyone on this thread disputed that it was a strong possibility, only that the thread title seemed a bit too definitive at the time. Nevertheless, it now seems like a reasonably accurate way to describe the event.Vice-President Biden just publicly stated that the plane was "shot down. Shot out of the sky." I don't think even given his history of sticking his foot in his mouth that he would say that without the requisite information and clearance to do so.
Something like that, and they got punished severe;y by US authorities, and now they have a FAA standard procedures and are perfectly safe to fly with.Korean Air lost 8 in a decade didn't they?What are the odds that TWO Malaysian planes in a row crash...?
Ed,
Actually, the FAA and ICAO have previously warned folks to not overfly the area for this reason.Planes fly over Ukraine all the time.
I too hope this does not result in a world war. But none of the previous cases of civilian airliners being shot down resulted in world wars.I have a feeling the Ukranians did it to draw us into the anti-Russian side of things. I pray to god this doesn't result in a world war.
Nothing new about this line. Back in 1987 it was part of a TV news course that I was taking. Only new thing is the 24-7 new media. Got to fill the air time with something.If it Bleeds it Leads is, sadly, the new Mantra for our News Organizations!
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