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At about 5pm CST, I heard that the Sunset westbound had returned to New Orleans. Checking a source, I was told it made it to Schriever (first depot) on time. I also feel that it did not make it past Morgan City which is total speculation. Has anyone heard anything about this, thank you.
 
I'm on 421 right now approaching San Antonio. The conductor just indicated a bridge is out somewhere along the Sunset Limited line. #2 is terminating in San Antonio tonight and those individuals heading east will be bussed to New Orleans.
 
He said westbound. And Shriever is the first stop west of New Orleans.
 
He said westbound. And Shriever is the first stop west of New Orleans.
Amtrak Status Maps at Dixieland show it never made it to New Iberia today.

Train status at Amtrak.com shows it "estimated" to make and leave Lafayette "on Time"... at 3:21 this afternoon. Estimated.

Methinks something is confused.
 
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Another site is reporting that 3 or 4 buses showed up at the Shriever depot... :unsure:
 
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I'm on 421 right now approaching San Antonio. The conductor just indicated a bridge is out somewhere along the Sunset Limited line. #2 is terminating in San Antonio tonight and those individuals heading east will be bussed to New Orleans.

A bridge is out? You mean like the swing bridge over the Big Bayou Canot, where the SL crashed into the water? :excl:

What happened? Any official source? This is going to make pax SO mad!
 
I'm on 421 right now approaching San Antonio. The conductor just indicated a bridge is out somewhere along the Sunset Limited line. #2 is terminating in San Antonio tonight and those individuals heading east will be bussed to New Orleans.
A bridge is out? You mean like the swing bridge over the Big Bayou Canot, where the SL crashed into the water? :excl:

What happened? Any official source? This is going to make pax SO mad!
The bridge at Big Bayou Canot was not a swing bridge. It was a fixed bridge that got hit by a barge.
 
If the westbound Sunset made it to Schriever, but not to New Iberia, the only major bridge I can think of would be the one that crosses the Atchafalaya River at Morgan City. There are also a few small bridges that cross the bayous in the area.
 
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I'm on 421 right now approaching San Antonio. The conductor just indicated a bridge is out somewhere along the Sunset Limited line. #2 is terminating in San Antonio tonight and those individuals heading east will be bussed to New Orleans.
A bridge is out? You mean like the swing bridge over the Big Bayou Canot, where the SL crashed into the water? :excl:

What happened? Any official source? This is going to make pax SO mad!
The bridge at Big Bayou Canot was not a swing bridge. It was a fixed bridge that got hit by a barge.
And it was in ALABAMA, where the Sunset hasn't gone in YEARS!!!
 
The bridge at Big Bayou Canot was not a swing bridge. It was a fixed bridge that got hit by a barge.
(OT) Well, kinda-sorta--it was built so it could be converted to a swing span, but never equipped with the machinery to make it so. It was also never secured against unintended movement--the only thing holding it straight was gravity, so when the barge hit it, the end of the span slid sideways on its footings. Gotta love Seconds from Disaster.

---PCJ

(at this rate of posting I should just sign up for an account already)
 
Still no service alerts at Amtrak.com, trains have dropped off the status map.

Guess it's just a black hole.

I may have to make a trip on short notice for a death in the family soon (like, this week), and would love to know if the Sunset is running or if I'm driving from HOS to NOL to catch the train?...
 
The bridge at Big Bayou Canot was not a swing bridge. It was a fixed bridge that got hit by a barge.
(OT) Well, kinda-sorta--it was built so it could be converted to a swing span, but never equipped with the machinery to make it so. It was also never secured against unintended movement--the only thing holding it straight was gravity, so when the barge hit it, the end of the span slid sideways on its footings.
It is amazing the things that grivity holds in place on this planet. Regardless of what sort to devices had been or had not been put in place, the bridge would not have stayed in place when hit by a barge. And, yes I have seen seconds from disaster. I have also read the NTSB repport. While there are many good and useful things in teh NTSB reports, the major portaion of which is a thorough detailing of what actually happened, IMHO some of their recommendations border on demanding protection from chunks of falling sky. It is not without reason that they have the authority to analyze and recommend, but not the authority to compel.

Here are my thought on the things said in Seconds from Disaster:

Although there were signals on the line operated by track circuits, the long welded rails did not break and did not cause the bridge approach signal to change to red. Had jointed rails still been fitted, the signal may have dropped to red, as such rails would more likely have broken at the joints.
Pure suppositon. It is just as likely that jointed rail would have heeld together. Plus, if I recall correctly the train had passed the last signal in advance of the bridge, so even if the signal had dropped to red the engineer was past the point where he could see it. Also once past the signal, the train itself shunts the circuit so teh signal would be red anyway.
The span had actually been designed to rotate so that the bridge could be converted to a swing bridge by installing a motor and control equipment, if it were ever decided that barge traffic warranted this. No such conversion had ever been done and the span's lack of lateral rigidity was a contributing factor to the accident.
This statement is pure suppositon not backed up by any form of analysis and is therefore of no significance. To even rate discussion, there should be development of a force analysis that would include force applied by the barge, the normal strength of the bridge bearings against lateral force, and the strength of the lower chord of the bridge against lateral bending. Anything less is simply arm waving and hollering.
One span of the bridge was pushed so far out of position that the kink in the line caused the derailment. The span was not fitted with "stops" to keep it in reasonable alignment with other spans of the bridge. Had such stops been fitted, the kink in the line might have been less severe and less dangerous.
Note the "might" in this statement. Again, offered without analysis or proof. No response made because ther is no substance in the statemetn ot respond to. While it a pronouncement from the Bureau of the Blooming Obvious that the kink in the line caused the derailment, there was nothing in the analysis to suggest at what point the kink might become dangerous nor the point beyond which it was certainly dangerous.
Had barge traffic posed a regular hazard, special barge collision detection circuits could have been fitted to shunt the signals to red in case of a collision. Similar circuits are used to detect Washaways. But the Big Bayou Canot is not navigable, so this seemed nearly pointless.
True, adn the point is? how far should we go with this sort of stuff? At what point are we having dentists on call in case our chicken's teeth get a cavity?
 
There are 7 drawbridges between new Orleans and Houston.

Another little point: The Huey P. Long Bridge and approaches is 5.2 miles between East Bridge Junction and West Bridge Junction.

In the BNSF ETT, West Bridge Junction is at milepost 10.2. However, adding distances from an old T&P ETT puts WBJ at 11.3 miles from NOUPT.

Using the information in the employee timetables, we have drawbridges at:

milepost/Location/(Allowed Speed)

.32.1 Bayou des Allemands (35 mph)

.55.0 Schriever

.73.3 Bayou Boeuf (25 mph)

.80.5 Atchafalaya River (25 mph)

104.1 Charenton Canal (35 mph)

126.5 New Iberia

144.5 Lafayette

180.3 Mermentau River (35 mph)

218.6 Lake Charles

220.9 Calcasieu River (25 mph)

278.1 Neches River (20 mph)

280.1 Beaumont

362.3 Houston
 
Regardless of what sort to devices had been or had not been put in place, the bridge would not have stayed in place when hit by a barge.
That sounds like pure supposition to me. Any number of protective barriers might have been able to prevent this disaster. I felt the report had several reasonable points for consideration of potential solutions. Of course they weren't coming at it from a 'nothing is usually better than anything' attitude like yours.

One thing I remember from watching this show was wondering if America's unique focus (and resulting requirements and expenses) for crash-worthiness would be better spent on studying and regulating our infrastructure instead.

Then again I'm one of those oddball folks who doesn't like to see America's infrastructure left to rot. Especially not while we're bailing out all these white collar criminals on Wall Street. Well, when I was a kid we called them criminals. Back before our politicians started rolling back regulations on even the most egregious financial fraud. All things are cyclical they say. Well, yeah, if you never bother to actually learn from your mistakes then I guess they are.
 
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The Sunset arriving today is over 6 hours late. Is this the same train?

I'm on 421 right now approaching San Antonio. The conductor just indicated a bridge is out somewhere along the Sunset Limited line. #2 is terminating in San Antonio tonight and those individuals heading east will be bussed to New Orleans.
A bridge is out? You mean like the swing bridge over the Big Bayou Canot, where the SL crashed into the water? :excl:

What happened? Any official source? This is going to make pax SO mad!
The bridge at Big Bayou Canot was not a swing bridge. It was a fixed bridge that got hit by a barge.

It was designed to be a swing bridge, it just never swung.
 
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Regardless of what sort to devices had been or had not been put in place, the bridge would not have stayed in place when hit by a barge.
That sounds like pure supposition to me. Any number of protective barriers might have been able to prevent this disaster. I felt the report had several reasonable points for consideration of potential solutions. Of course they weren't coming at it from a 'nothing is usually better than anything' attitude like yours.
I stand by my statement. Simply put, regardlss of bearing type, a strike by a towboad pushing a barge or barges would have taken a span of this size out regarless of the nature of the bearing.

As to the "any number of protective barriers", how about some examples that could reasonably be applied as part of or adjacent to any and all bridges of this nature and sitation. If you solution would be only for this one because it has been struck, that sort of thing is commonly called Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
 
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