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My cousin is getting married in Sarasota in late May, and if I go of course I'm taking the train :) From Philadelphia it's just Silver Star to Tampa, bus 6091 to Sarasota; then to return, bus 6092 to Tampa, Silver Star to Philadelphia.

But that would be silly, because then I'd have to take a second trip to Florida some other time to knock out the mileage to Miami! It's "much more efficient" to return via Miami (and come north on the Silver Meteor). PHL-TPA (Silver Star), wedding in Sarasota, TPA-MIA (Silver Star), overnight in Miami, MIA-PHL (Silver Meteor).

The catch is that Amtrak doesn't expect anyone to want to go from Sarasota to Miami: if you punch this into amtrak.com, it returns the "no service exists between these cities" message.

But... there is always a way! The timetable shows that there are two northbound Thruway buses that start in Fort Myers and travel north along the same route: bus 6092 goes Ft Myers-Sarasota-Tampa to connect with the northbound Star, and bus 6098 goes Ft Myers-Sarasota-Tampa-Orlando to connect with the northbound Meteor. So, both buses stop in Sarasota and then in Tampa. And bus 6098 is three hours earlier and would be perfect for getting off in Tampa with 2.5 hours layover until the southbound Star.

Amtrak almost certainly has just plugged buses 6092 and 6098 into the system as "receive only" all the way to their destinations, since the law requires passengers to be connecting with a train, and that's the simplest way for Amtrak to have programmed that. But technically the law doesn't care which train I take, so long as it's an Amtrak train that I board in Florida on the same day, right?.... So my question is, am I likely to have any luck on the phone or at 30th St with booking this 6098-connect-with-91 itinerary, or is ARROW going to squawk at anyone who tries to do this and not allow anyone to manually override?

As a fallback (there is always a way!), I could book TPA-MIA on the Star and book a separate itinerary SRA-WPK--that's the desired bus 6098 from Sarasota (through Tampa) to Orlando, and then one stop on the Silver Meteor from Orlando to Winter Park. Then I'd take the bus, step off at Tampa, and not use the ORL-WPK ticket. (Maybe I could even exchange it later....) But that's less elegant than just getting to book the clever northbound-bus-to-southbound-train :) (It's also assuming the bus driver wouldn't prevent me from getting off the bus in Tampa somehow!...)
 
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Clicking on this topic I was expecting to read that wayman was whining about getting to the Superbowl.

And I was thinking that I might hire a hitman (or woman), because getting to go to both the inauguration AND the Superbowl is just not right.

Highly relieved that I won't have to have wayman killed. Saves money, too!

:D
 
Hmm, well if I click on the Multi-City option and plug in SRA to TPA for the first leg, and then TPA to MIA for the second leg, ARROW has no trouble returning a valid trip for me. So I'd say that you're good to go using either that method or via phone with an agent.

Edit: I just noticed that the bus they gave me arrives after the train has already left, so that's a bit of a problem. But it does give me hope that an agent might be able to get you on an earlier bus that would connect in time, assuming that there is an earlir bus out of Sarasota. I didn't look at the actual schedule.
 
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Living in Pinellas County (St. Pete/Clearwater), I was told to depart on the bus you must catch a northbound train and to return on the bus you must arrive on a southbound train.
 
Living in Pinellas County (St. Pete/Clearwater), I was told to depart on the bus you must catch a northbound train and to return on the bus you must arrive on a southbound train.
What a silly rule....

But before cavalierly breaking it, I do want to consider what might be the worst things that could happen if I book SRA-WPK (SRA-ORL by bus 6098, but I get off in Tampa; ORL-WPK by Silver Meteor, which goes unused) as a way to get around this so I can ride the bus to a southbound train?

* The bus might not stop in Tampa? Does a Thruway bus make all scheduled stops, or does it bypass stops if there's nobody on the manifest scheduled to board there? Since someone in Tampa could always buy a last-minute ticket to, say, Charleston (Silver Meteor only), I can't see the bus skipping stops. So I'm not worried about this one.

* The bus driver might not let me off the bus in Tampa? This one is very mildly concerning. I would be very surprised to find the driver blocking the door. But perhaps he's been told to specifically prevent passengers from trying to do this sort of thing?

* I might lose my luggage? This is a much more real concern. How does luggage work on Thruways? Are there overhead luggage racks for small suitcases, or is everything "under the bus"? If it's the latter, that's probably a big problem, since the driver won't want to take the time to search for and unload a bag at Tampa.

... and that last may be a big enough problem that I just have to leave two hours earlier by Greyhound :unsure:

* The State of Florida might take me to court for not having taken the train portion of my SRA-WPK itinerary? Just trying to list everything that might possibly happen, but I really don't think this ever would. But... the one serious question to rise from that notion is whether I should try to trade in my ORL-WPK ticket for $6.50 in credit. If I just bury the ticket, then nobody will ever know for certain that I didn't take the train and the ticket was just miscollected, etc; if I try to exchange it, it's obvious I didn't take the train. Is this actually anything worth worrying about?

There is a Greyhound that leaves Sarasota at 7:00 AM and gets to Tampa at 9:20 AM, so I'm still not out of luck if the Thruway bus just doesn't work. But if possible, I'd rather sleep an extra 90 minutes and get 100 AGR Rail Points than take Greyhound :) Heck, I'd rather do just about anything than take a Greyhound....
 
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The bus rules aren't the only stupid and wacky part of travel in that corridor. You can't buy a train ticket from Lakeland to Tampa, or from Tampa to Lakeland, either. The system won't let you. Northbound OR southbound. You simply cannot use Amtrak to travel between those two stations. They even have two separate identifiers for the Lakeland Amtrak station. Sometimes I really think Amtrak HQ has it's head installed in such a location that they get a headache and stiff neck if they sit down.
 
Living in Pinellas County (St. Pete/Clearwater), I was told to depart on the bus you must catch a northbound train and to return on the bus you must arrive on a southbound train.
What a silly rule....

But before cavalierly breaking it, I do want to consider what might be the worst things that could happen if I book SRA-WPK (SRA-ORL by bus 6098, but I get off in Tampa; ORL-WPK by Silver Meteor, which goes unused) as a way to get around this so I can ride the bus to a southbound train?

* The bus might not stop in Tampa? Does a Thruway bus make all scheduled stops, or does it bypass stops if there's nobody on the manifest scheduled to board there? Since someone in Tampa could always buy a last-minute ticket to, say, Charleston (Silver Meteor only), I can't see the bus skipping stops. So I'm not worried about this one.

* The bus driver might not let me off the bus in Tampa? This one is very mildly concerning. I would be very surprised to find the driver blocking the door. But perhaps he's been told to specifically prevent passengers from trying to do this sort of thing?

* I might lose my luggage? This is a much more real concern. How does luggage work on Thruways? Are there overhead luggage racks for small suitcases, or is everything "under the bus"? If it's the latter, that's probably a big problem, since the driver won't want to take the time to search for and unload a bag at Tampa.

... and that last may be a big enough problem that I just have to leave two hours earlier by Greyhound :unsure:

* The State of Florida might take me to court for not having taken the train portion of my SRA-WPK itinerary? Just trying to list everything that might possibly happen, but I really don't think this ever would. But... the one serious question to rise from that notion is whether I should try to trade in my ORL-WPK ticket for $6.50 in credit. If I just bury the ticket, then nobody will ever know for certain that I didn't take the train and the ticket was just miscollected, etc; if I try to exchange it, it's obvious I didn't take the train. Is this actually anything worth worrying about?

There is a Greyhound that leaves Sarasota at 7:00 AM and gets to Tampa at 9:20 AM, so I'm still not out of luck if the Thruway bus just doesn't work. But if possible, I'd rather sleep an extra 90 minutes and get 100 AGR Rail Points than take Greyhound :) Heck, I'd rather do just about anything than take a Greyhound....

The bags go under the bus, sorry!
 
What if you went to Miami 1st then to Tampa on to Sarasota by bus? Then bus to Tampa or Orlando and back home? :unsure:
No can do :(

The buses are basically designed to accommodate snowbirds going to destinations on the west coast of Florida (the trains travel on the east coast, with the exception of the Star's detour to Tampa). So the southbound Star drops passengers in Tampa to connect to a bus carrying them further down the west coast; and the southbound Meteor drops passengers in Orlando to connect to a similar bus. And when those snowbirds get tired of the warm sunshine and want to go back to Michigan or wherever, a bus will take them from Fort Myers, Sarasota, etc, to meet a northbound train in either Tampa or Orlando.

Amtrak basically doesn't care about passengers who want to travel within Florida (and whose origin or destination is on the Gulf coast side of the state) unless they can get themselves to/from Tampa. Or, Amtrak might care but just can't afford more buses.

The "it looks like this will actually get built sometime soon" SunRail will only increase service along the "Silver Corridor" along the stretch surrounding Orlando. The "maybe it'll happen by 2050?..." TBARTA would connect Sarasota to Tampa by rail. But who knows when or if these will actually get built, or what the ultimate track plan will look like....

So for now, I think one ("me") is stuck with a Greyhound/Amtrak combo to get from Sarasota to Miami, or from Miami to Sarasota. Though the other option available to me is that if my parents drive down from Virginia to Sarasota, they might be able to give me a ride to Tampa. But they'll have just gotten back from another vacation shortly before the wedding, so they're not yet sure if they'll attend.... (Heck, neither am I, but since I'd be going by train and it's Memorial Day Weekend, I'd better buy my tickets soon while I can still book the whole PHL-TPA-MIA-PHL plan for under $300; I can always cancel later.)
 
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Clicking on this topic I was expecting to read that wayman was whining about getting to the Superbowl.
And I was thinking that I might hire a hitman (or woman), because getting to go to both the inauguration AND the Superbowl is just not right.

Highly relieved that I won't have to have wayman killed. Saves money, too!

:D
I'm relieved too :lol:

One of my best friends from college grew up in Pittsburgh, so to the extent I care about the Superbowl, go Steelers! But I'll mostly be watching for the commercials--I'd miss my favorite part of the Superbowl if I were actually at the game :p
 
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