Train 66 and 67 in NYC

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Does anyone know why trains 66 and 67 stay for over an hour each in NYC? I know they need a little time for baggage handling but that seems very excessive. It seems to slow their schedule a lot... is this for a better arrival time in Boston/Washington?
 
It is indeed for better calling times on the end points. They could pad the schedule more en route between various stations, but this would tie up the line. They also seek to have better crew efficiency use so they don't burn up working hours for T&E.
 
Speaking of which, does anyone have the timetable for 66/67 when it used to run as the Twilight Shoreliner?
Rafi
What dates would that have been? I find lots of tables for The Nite-Owl as 66/67 with sleeping cars. Don't see any for Twilight Shoreliner.
 
Speaking of which, does anyone have the timetable for 66/67 when it used to run as the Twilight Shoreliner?
Rafi
What dates would that have been? I find lots of tables for The Nite-Owl as 66/67 with sleeping cars. Don't see any for Twilight Shoreliner.
My January 28, 2002 Northeast Timetable shows the Twilight Shoreliner train # 66 and 67 operating daily with sleeping car service.

Unless someone does it before me, I'll scan the schedule for it tomorrow evening.

Edit- Here it is- Link
 
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Wonder why they changed the name from Night Owl to Twilight Shoreliner?

1994 was the latest I have.
 
Speaking of which, does anyone have the timetable for 66/67 when it used to run as the Twilight Shoreliner?
Rafi
What dates would that have been? I find lots of tables for The Nite-Owl as 66/67 with sleeping cars. Don't see any for Twilight Shoreliner.
My January 28, 2002 Northeast Timetable shows the Twilight Shoreliner train # 66 and 67 operating daily with sleeping car service.

Unless someone does it before me, I'll scan the schedule for it tomorrow evening.

Edit- Here it is- Link
PERFECT! Thanks a ton. I could have SWORN that the train didn't delay in DC (I used to take it from RVR to BAL back in college) like it does now.

Rafi
 
Wonder why they changed the name from Night Owl to Twilight Shoreliner?
1994 was the latest I have.
Well, I'm far from an expert on the topic, but it got relaunched with a pretty good push as the Twilight Shoreliner back in the late 90's if I recall correctly. They gave the sleeper a custom wrap-job of Twilight Shoreliner art (can't remember if they did it on the coaches/cafe) and there was a big press conference sort of thing in Richmond, so perhaps the state of VA funded part of the relaunch--not sure.

Anyway, it lost the sleeper, as we all know, not long after that timetable Bob posted. I spotted one of the old sleepers still with some Twilight Shoreliner graphic art on the exterior back in 2006 on the Lake Shore Limited.

Rafi
 
Wonder why they changed the name from Night Owl to Twilight Shoreliner?
1994 was the latest I have.
Well, I'm far from an expert on the topic, but it got relaunched with a pretty good push as the Twilight Shoreliner back in the late 90's if I recall correctly. They gave the sleeper a custom wrap-job of Twilight Shoreliner art (can't remember if they did it on the coaches/cafe) and there was a big press conference sort of thing in Richmond, so perhaps the state of VA funded part of the relaunch--not sure.

Can't say as I recall seeing a Viewliner sleeper wrapped with Twilight Shoreliner, but for a number of years there were three Amfleet I cafe cars that carried the Twilight Shoreliner name and logo, as well as 3 baggage cars that were painted up with the Twilight Shoreliner name and logo.

Anyway, it lost the sleeper, as we all know, not long after that timetable Bob posted. I spotted one of the old sleepers still with some Twilight Shoreliner graphic art on the exterior back in 2006 on the Lake Shore Limited.
Actually it stopped being called the Twilight Shoreliner before it lost the sleeper. It went to the old name for that run, The Federal. Maybe a year or so after that name change is when the sleeper came off.
 
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The renaming corresponded with the train being "upgraded" from Heritage to Viewliner sleeping cars and getting an exclusive BC/Sleeper-class food service car called the "Twilight Lounge".

Honestly, for the market it was serving, a 24-8 makes the most sense.
 
Sorry Alan, Rafi wins this round.

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Actually it stopped being called the Twilight Shoreliner before it lost the sleeper. It went to the old name for that run, The Federal. Maybe a year or so after that name change is when the sleeper came off.
Actually, it depends on which time it lost its sleeper.

It ran as the Twilight Shoreliner with a sleeper until April 2002. At that time, Amtrak seemed to think they had extra Viewliners laying around, and even placed one on the Kentucky Cardinal for a very brief period (which was to be hooked up to a transition sleeper on the regular Cardinal). That setup lasted barely a few days or so when the Auto Train derailed, and they started robbing Superliners throughout the system. A week or so later (give or take), they converted the Cardinal to single-level, and I think that's when 66/67 lost their sleeper the first time.

Shortly after that, David Gunn took over, and (perhaps by coincidence, perhaps by his order, I won't pretend to speculate on that one) within a month, the Viewliner from the Kentucky Cardinal was moved back to 66/67 (still the Twilight Shoreliner).

My memory becomes a bit hazy after that, but it's possible that 66/67 may have briefly lost their sleeper again, while still running as the Twilight Shoreliner.

Then, in either spring 2003 or spring 2004 (I forget which), the train was relaunched as the Federal (operating only to DC, not to VA), and sleeper service was restored (or maybe it continued). After that, a couple of harsh winters did a number on the Viewliner fleet, and 66/67 lost their sleeper, along with the Boston section of the Lake Shore Limited. Some time after discontinuing the sleeper, Amtrak re-extended the route to VA and dropped the Federal name. This may have been around the time when Acela Regional became simply "Regional."

If I feel like it, I'll try and dig out my old timetables, as well as read some old NARP postings (plus other records I have) and try and track down more specific dates on when this all happened.
 
Then, in either spring 2003 or spring 2004 (I forget which), the train was relaunched as the Federal (operating only to DC, not to VA), and sleeper service was restored (or maybe it continued).
It was definitely continued, not restored, as I rode from Boston to DC in a sleeper on the last regular run under the Shoreliner name and then went back north on the same consist under the Federal name for its inaugural run.
 
I took both the Night Owl and the Twilight Shoreliner quite a bit back in the late 90's and early 2000's. I used to go to Washington on business and had to get there early. Rather than fight my way from Connecticut to the NYC airports it was much easier to catch the train in New Haven around midnight to 1:00AM if I remember right and get on a sleeper.

The Twilight Shoreliner was upgraded service from the Night Owl as they replaced the 10-6 with the new Viewliner and added the dedicated lounge car. The rear portion was for sleeper passengers only and served meals (microwave type) and breakfasts (same). They always offered me food even when I got on late at night.

I was really sorry to see the sleeper get cut.
 
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