Airo - Amfleet I replacement Siemens Inter City Trainsets (ICT) (2-3Q 2024)

ST Saint · Oct 7, 2024

Harmon Shay said:
It seems to me there's also a question of whether the Oregon Talgos will stay in the fleet for protection or possible expansion.

I've heard that rumor float around too, with the potential to keep them in Oregon (since they are ODOT assets) with a cross platform transfer for the runs they are utilized in. Time will tell of course, but it wouldn't hurt to keep them around in some capacity to have more trainsets available.

That said, a refurbishment at any level wouldn't hurt since they appear to be untouched since 2013 and its showing.

Keeping things Airo, I'm glad the Airo Maintenance Facility was announced for Seattle finally, as the similar Philly one just broke ground.

Goldspike_Railfanning · Oct 7, 2024

Harmon Shay said:
Actually, the Cascades are supposed to be getting two hybrid locomotives along with its Airo order.

The two new locomotives for Cascades are actually diesel SC-44s to supplement the existing fleet. No hybrid power is involved.

jis · Oct 7, 2024

Harmon Shay said:
Actually, the Cascades are supposed to be getting two hybrid locomotives along with its Airo order.

No. They have ordered two straight diesels. They may be ALC42s instead of SC44s. But no E.

https://www.theurbanist.org/2022/12...eils-future-airo-trainsets-launching-in-2026/

Harmon Shay · Oct 8, 2024

ST Saint said:
I've heard that rumor float around too, with the potential to keep them in Oregon (since they are ODOT assets) with a cross platform transfer for the runs they are utilized in. Time will tell of course, but it wouldn't hurt to keep them around in some capacity to have more trainsets available.

That said, a refurbishment at any level wouldn't hurt since they appear to be untouched since 2013 and its showing.

Keeping things Airo, I'm glad the Airo Maintenance Facility was announced for Seattle finally, as the similar Philly one just broke ground.

The Talgo maintenance facility would have to be moved from Seattle, though. That could be a prohibitive expense.

ST Saint · Oct 8, 2024

Harmon Shay said:
The Talgo maintenance facility would have to be moved from Seattle, though. That could be a prohibitive expense.

Ehh, I think they'd still be maintained up in Seattle even if they were kept Oregon primarily. They definitely aren't going to build anything specific to Talgos for two remaining sets.

Steve4031 · Oct 8, 2024

I wonder why the Airo maintenance base will be in Philadelphia. Wouldn't having it in Washington, D.C., or Boston make sense? Not many trains originate or terminate in Philadelphia.

Goldspike_Railfanning · Oct 8, 2024

Steve4031 said:
I wonder why the Airo maintenance base will be in Philadelphia. Wouldn't having it in Washington, D.C., or Boston make sense? Not many trains originate or terminate in Philadelphia.

Not sure; however, both yards that you mentioned are still two of the five yards (not including Philadelphia) expected to receive upgrades to handle the Airo train sets, which will probably include some sort of maintenance facility since Seattle is also one of the yards.

The Keystones are a fair point too.

ST Saint · Oct 8, 2024

Steve4031 said:
I wonder why the Airo maintenance base will be in Philadelphia. Wouldn't having it in Washington, D.C., or Boston make sense? Not many trains originate or terminate in Philadelphia.

My guess is more room to work with first, then not having it in Boston allows it to be utilized by Keystones and other south of DC services that go up to NYC.

Steve4031 · Oct 8, 2024

I forgot about the keystones. That makes sense to me. Thank you.

PaTrainFan · Oct 8, 2024

Goldspike_Railfanning said:
The Keystones are a fair point too.

But, they still originate in NY.

Goldspike_Railfanning · Oct 8, 2024

PaTrainFan said:
But, they still originate in NY.

Amtrak probably has their reasons whatever the case. At least some of the other yards are still getting upgrades for Airo.

Steve4031 · Oct 9, 2024

In one way, it would make sense to have a facility in Philadelphia. Trains serviced in Philadelphia could start the day heading west to Harrisburg and get an early round trip to Harrisburg and back. Or maybe that trainset could continue west to Pittsburg to get an extra roundtrip on that route.

jis · Oct 9, 2024

I could be mistaken but I thought that the Race Street shops are meant to be heavy maintenance shops rather than overnight servicing facility.

Goldspike_Railfanning · Oct 11, 2024

jis said:
No. They have ordered two straight diesels. They may be ALC42s instead of SC44s. But no E.

https://www.theurbanist.org/2022/12...eils-future-airo-trainsets-launching-in-2026/

Confirmed to be new SC-44s, courtesy of WorldwideRailfan.

ST Saint · Oct 11, 2024

A whole bunch of updates here including a bunch of Cascades Airo Sets (and locomotives) in progress:

TrimetWESFan1003 · Nov 5, 2024

ST Saint said:
A whole bunch of updates here including a bunch of Cascades Airo Sets (and locomotives) in progress:

Good thing you managed to screenshot those Cascades trains since the original video got deleted and re uploaded to remove all scenes with them in it.

Acela150 · Nov 5, 2024

jis said:
I could be mistaken but I thought that the Race Street shops are meant to be heavy maintenance shops rather than overnight servicing facility.

It's meant for both S&I (Service and Inspection) which is what is done every night, as well as a heavy maintenance site. Currently Philadelphia has a car shop that specializes in servicing the Cab Cars.

jis · Nov 6, 2024

Acela150 said:
It's meant for both S&I (Service and Inspection) which is what is done every night, as well as a heavy maintenance site. Currently Philadelphia has a car shop that specializes in servicing the Cab Cars.

Yes, for the Keystone sets. Or is the plan to drag out all New York terminating/overnightling sets to Philadelphia for servicing and then drag them back to Sunnsyide or NYP for New York originating? I would suspect that the latter is not the case.

Acela150 · Nov 6, 2024

jis said:
Yes, for the Keystone sets. Or is the plan to drag out all New York terminating/overnightling sets to Philadelphia for servicing and then drag them back to Sunnsyide or NYP for New York originating? I would suspect that the latter is not the case.

We currently have 2 Regional trains that start in Philly 6 days a week and 1 on Sunday. The plan is to also have Acela’s start out of Philadelphia as well once the facility is completed and open.

Amtrak25 · Nov 6, 2024

Acela150 said:
We currently have 2 Regional trains that start in Philly 6 days a week and 1 on Sunday. The plan is to also have Acela’s start out of Philadelphia as well once the facility is completed and open.

Do these trains have cafe service ? There is no commissary there, correct ?

Acela150 · Nov 7, 2024

Amtrak25 said:
Do these trains have cafe service ? There is no commissary there, correct ?

All Regionals have cafe service. They get stocked in Boston, New York, and DC. The only trains on the Corridor that don’t have cafe service are the Keystones.

west point · Dec 12, 2024

Any information on how soon the NC factory will start building the Airos? Will car production start while the punch lists are resolved for the building?

GDRRiley · Dec 12, 2024

Empire has moved from all battery to a demo battery set with the option to move to 3rd rail. I'm not surprised especially if the 3rd rail chargers work pretty well.

Septa9739 · Dec 12, 2024

I think the purpose of the upgrades to Race Street beyond just standard modernization is to increase the capacity for heavy maintenance for Airo’s in the system long term. Frequencies (and working sets) will need to increase before too long, especially with the kind of paltry 8 car consists (that yes I know can be theoretically expanded) planned. Philadelphia is also very much a blue collar city still with a fairly large pool of people skilled in that kind of work, so it may prove much easier to fill positions here than the more expensive New York and Washington. Father Judge High School for boys has, for example, launched an innovative program to get students jobs in welding. Many have gone to work for Amtrak. A new automotive track opened this year. I could see either them or someone else (as the success of the program is inspiring other schools) opening a track for heavier machine maintenance. I don’t know the extent to which this might be a national trend.

Bob Dylan · Dec 12, 2024

Septa9739 said:
I think the purpose of the upgrades to Race Street beyond just standard modernization is to increase the capacity for heavy maintenance for Airo’s in the system long term. Frequencies (and working sets) will need to increase before too long, especially with the kind of paltry 8 car consists (that yes I know can be theoretically expanded) planned. Philadelphia is also very much a blue collar city still with a fairly large pool of people skilled in that kind of work, so it may prove much easier to fill positions here than the more expensive New York and Washington. Father Judge High School for boys has, for example, launched an innovative program to get students jobs in welding. Many have gone to work for Amtrak. A new automotive track opened this year. I could see either them or someone else (as the success of the program is inspiring other schools) opening a track for heavier machine maintenance. I don’t know the extent to which this might be a national trend.

Good News indeed!,We need more of this everywhere, not everyone is suited for College or Computer jobs, and so called Blue Collar Jobs are the ticket to a Good Career!

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