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I will be giving business class another shot because I will be taking the Lincoln Service soon and those seats look really comfy and it's a long way to St. Louis, so hopefully it will be worth the extra $25.

Normally, I believe the Illini/Saluki, has the "normal" business class you find on other trains from Chicago. The 2+1 arrangement, and the big cushy leather seats with armrests in the middle, in the second half of the café car. Its just that they sometimes use the superliner equipment on that...

Yeah, I still got that stuff, but I was still really disappointed because everytime I rode an Amtrak train to St. Louis or Michigan, I would see the business class section of the cafe car and think "Man, some day I want to ride in there. It looks really nice." And this time I decided to go for...

It was at the very front of the train, above the café. It was more quiet, but you can get the same experience by just booking a lower level ticket at less than half the cost.

I booked a business class ticket on the Saluki, and instead of the normal single level coaches, the Superliners were used instead. Business class was just a normal section of the coach with a curtain separating it. You might just be better off booking a coach seat on the lower level instead.

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I believe they will, since the café cars aren't expected to arrive until 2022. That would look horrible. I already think that Horizon cars coupled with Amfleet cars look bad, so I can't even imagine how out of place the older cars would look.

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Looks like they are paying homage to the original Amtrak logo.

I don't know about the livery. What do you think? https://railcolornews.com/2020/08/06/us-amtrak-reveals-the-final-design-of-its-long-distance-charger/

All this paint talk is driving me crazy. So the line on the coach is thicker than than the line on locomotive. WHO CARES? It still matches up and looks fine.

One small problem that I have with them is that you can see all the stuff underneath the car. They should have put a wall or fin underneath to give it a more sleek look like the Brightline versions or Viaggio Comfort versions.

Ok. I found a video of the Midwest train cars getting delivered.

This video contains a picture of the Midwest train cars around the 30 minute mark. So far, that's the only picture I could find. I love the livery. it reminds of Deutsche Bahn or Eurostar.

Sounds awesome. Hopefully there will be public photos and videos of them soon.

Maybe they could experiment with something like an all sleeper car train (similar to night trains in Europe) where it leaves LA/SF in the evening and arrives at the other end in the morning making no stops in between. If you get to sleep the whole time, almost no time is wasted. You get to just...

I have a feeling that some state run trains don't even want to be associated with Amtrak. I believe the Peidmont trains don't have the word "Amtrak" written anywhere on them.

Who cares? It's just paint. I think the reason states such as North Carolina and California have different branding is try to distance themselves from the rest of Amtrak given its reputation. I don't even think the Peidmont trains say the word "Amtrak" anywhere on them. Amtrak already has a...

I can't stand David Peter Alan. He is so out of touch and thinks that there is this grand conspiring to eliminate the long distance routes for no reason, which does not make any sense when you start to think about it. I do not necessarily agree with Amtrak's plan to cut the long distance routes...

If this goes into effect, I wonder if service will be supplemented on the Lincoln Service. Honestly, that would probably be an improvement.