120V Outlets

[SarahZ]

So, I notice the outlets say "Razor Only". I have no idea what my flat iron's voltage is.

Am I going to destroy the train in my quest to tame my hair, or will it be okay? (It's just a flat iron, not a hair dryer combo.)

 

[the_traveler]

As long as the amperage is not excessive, it should be OK. Remember, those cars were built 30+ years ago. If built today, it might say, "Cell Phones & Laptops Only"!

 

[PRR 60]

I think the intent of the "razor only" notice is to warn against the use high wattage appliances like hair dryers. An electric razor pulls 100 Watts or so (about 1 Amp), and that is about what a laptop charger pulls. A hair dryer can pull 1600 Watts (14 Amps). A flat iron, about 1200 Watts (10 Amps), is closer to a hair dryer than a razor. You probably would be OK if you are the only one using a high Wattage appliance like a flat iron, but if a car had several plugged in at once, it might trip a circuit breaker.

 

[gmushial]

Sarah - I think somebody posted a couple months ago - might be able to find the thread via search - that the limit per outlet was either 60 or 100 watts... and as the_traveler posted - the outlet doesn't know nor care what the load actually is, as long as the load is within what it can handle, so be it.

 

[SarahZ]

Thanks, everyone.

PRR - that's helpful. I'll just forgo it for now. I'm not vain enough to risk it.

 

[ALC Rail Writer]

Don't film any Pepsi commercials, you'll regret it.

 

[chakk]

Definitely don't want to be plugging hair dryers or flat irons into outlets labelled "razors only". Same goes for those metal rods that boil water in tea cups. In case the circuit breaker is faulty, the wiring probably does not have the ampacity to safely pull that 10 amps plus of electrical current, so it could become a fire hazard.

 

[Devil's Advocate]

Definitely don't want to be plugging hair dryers or flat irons into outlets labelled "razors only". Same goes for those metal rods that boil water in tea cups. In case the circuit breaker is faulty, the wiring probably does not have the ampacity to safely pull that 10 amps plus of electrical current, so it could become a fire hazard.

Agreed.

Please do not plug in any heated hair care devices into any onboard outlet. Seriously.

In some cars, which I believe includes the refurbished SL1 series, they specifically include heating irons in the warning message just in case it's not absolutely clear. After having suffered through multiple long distance travels with no in-room electricity I'm very sensitive to other passengers being careless with what they plug in.

Best case you flip a breaker or blow a fuse and eventually power is restored later in the trip. Medium case the breaker box or wiring gets fried and nobody has power until the car is cycled out of the fleet for maintenance weeks or months later. Worst case the high wattage device shorts out something critical near something flammable and there goes another million dollar's worth of passenger car.

It's just not worth in my view.

If you want to know what will work in an Amtrak outlet here's a easy rule of thumb.

If a given device can run on batteries alone (such as a laptop, phone, GPS, scanner, portable DVD player, etc) then by all means plug it into Amtrak's power outlets. If a device always requires 120v power to operate (desktop computers, heaters, hair care device, electric teapots etc.) then do not plug it in while riding the train.

 

[Guest]

Please do not plug in any heated hair care devices into any onboard outlet. Seriously.

I regularly dry my hair after taking a shower. Yea, nowadays, I only have to run it for a minutes or two.

And I don't remember any "razor only" label on the sink outlet in my Viewliner roomette. Does anyone have a pic of such, to prove such a label actually exists?

 

[SarahZ]

Please do not plug in any heated hair care devices into any onboard outlet. Seriously.

I regularly dry my hair after taking a shower. Yea, nowadays, I only have to run it for a minutes or two.
And I don't remember any "razor only" label on the sink outlet in my Viewliner roomette. Does anyone have a pic of such, to prove such a label actually exists?

I took this 30 seconds ago. I'm in a Superliner.

Sorry it's flipped. I'll fix it at some point. It's vertical in my phone's storage, so... /shrug

 

[benjibear]

I just looked at my wife's flat iron and it is only 35 watts. That is nowhere near her hair dryer which is 1500 watts. If your flat iron is in the same range under a 100 watts, you shouldn't have any problem. Look at your iron and it should be marked somewhere what the wattage is.

Now if there is an issue with an overload, the circuit breaker should trip. Anything more major than that, the car should be fixed because it is a safety issue.

 

[SANSR]

Darn it. I was going to bring my combination Ronco toaster oven-coffee percolator-egg scrambler All-In One Breakfast Device on my next trip. Guess I had better rethink that plan..........

 

[Devil's Advocate]

Please do not plug in any heated hair care devices into any onboard outlet. Seriously.

I regularly dry my hair after taking a shower. Yea, nowadays, I only have to run it for a minutes or two.

And I don't remember any "razor only" label on the sink outlet in my Viewliner roomette. Does anyone have a pic of such, to prove such a label actually exists?

 

[buddy559]

Will an iPad charger fit the outlet?

 

[Devil's Advocate]

Will an iPad charger fit the outlet?

In my experience it will.

However, after running into problems with other adapters I would suggest always carrying a travel sized NA/JP spec outlet strip with you.



Monster MP OTG400 BK Outlets To Go Outlet Travel Power Strip (Black)

 

[Peter KG6LSE]

Ikea has a Very nice 2 USD short strip that is Ideal as a break out for 3 devices and it has a 8 inch cord .

Infact EVERY LD trip I took for many years I leave one with the LSA as a ( pass it on ) gift to the crew ........ Granted now that the cafe has a outlet bar near the seats not just the never used Wet bar ......... I dont do this any more ........

 

[roomette]

Darn it. I was going to bring my combination Ronco toaster oven-coffee percolator-egg scrambler All-In One Breakfast Device on my next trip. Guess I had better rethink that plan..........

And a comedy career. :giggle:

 

[Peter KG6LSE]

As I am watching Ron White !

Per NEC NFPA . the breaker is sized to protect the wires and the outlet .

I want to know the wire size . 12 GA can easy handle 15 Amps .

So Really unless they are running 20 Gauge speaker wire I don't see a Huge issue per NEC with a few hundred watts ....... IF and this is a IF they Follow the LAW . the NEC does weed its way in to many 120V places . So keep that in mind

No EE worth there salt would use less then 14Ga or so wire from a physical strength stand point . and 14 Ga can do 10 A

or 1200 W ((( 120V * 10A))) . the issue is like in a house the entire SIDE of a upper deck superlner may be on a 15A breaker ..

so LIke in a college dorm . If every one runs a hair dryer and a heater you are gonna pop the breaker .

Peter

 

[Trainmans daughter]

Will an iPad charger fit the outlet?

In my experience it will.However, after running into problems with other adapters I would suggest always carrying a travel sized NA/JP spec outlet strip with you. Monster MP OTG400 BK Outlets To Go Outlet Travel Power Strip (Black)

Thanks for posting this, Devil. I clicked on the link and one click later had purchased it. It arrives Wednesday so I'll have it for my trip in 3 weeks.

 

[benjibear]

As I am watching Ron White !

Per NEC NFPA . the breaker is sized to protect the wires and the outlet .

I want to know the wire size . 12 GA can easy handle 15 Amps .

So Really unless they are running 20 Gauge speaker wire I don't see a Huge issue per NEC with a few hundred watts ....... IF and this is a IF they Follow the LAW . the NEC does weed its way in to many 120V places . So keep that in mind

No EE worth there salt would use less then 14Ga or so wire from a physical strength stand point . and 14 Ga can do 10 A

or 1200 W ((( 120V * 10A))) . the issue is like in a house the entire SIDE of a upper deck superlner may be on a 15A breaker ..

so LIke in a college dorm . If every one runs a hair dryer and a heater you are gonna pop the breaker .

Peter

#14 is good for 15A

#12 is good for 20A

Of course this assumes the length of the circuit and the load do not cause voltage drop issues. Recomended practice is 5% voltage drop from service to utilization equipment with branch circuits being 3% and feeders being 2%.

I am not sure if railroads need to follow the NEC. The NEC is a prescriptive based code and even the building codes have language for performance based standards under engineering supervision. Amtrak or rail car builders may look at it this way to design things that the NEC was never really written for.

 

[Guest]

Please do not plug in any heated hair care devices into any onboard outlet. Seriously.

I regularly dry my hair after taking a shower. Yea, nowadays, I only have to run it for a minutes or two.

And I don't remember any "razor only" label on the sink outlet in my Viewliner roomette. Does anyone have a pic of such, to prove such a label actually exists?

OK, that must be the best proof you have of such. So I guess the truth is no, there is no such restriction on the Viewliner outlets. And your claim of such on every outlet, is therefore wrong.

 

[Devil's Advocate]

Calm down princess. I mainly ride the Superliner fleet with the occasional Amfleet or Acela trip. I've never set foot in a Boxliner so feel free to plug whatever you want into those cars.

 

[the_traveler]

Will an iPad charger fit the outlet?

In my experience it will.However, after running into problems with other adapters I would suggest always carrying a travel sized NA/JP spec outlet strip with you. Monster MP OTG400 BK Outlets To Go Outlet Travel Power Strip (Black)

Thanks for posting this, Devil. I clicked on the link and one click later had purchased it. It arrives Wednesday so I'll have it for my trip in 3 weeks.

For the times the plug is not "extended out" far enough to make a connection for the plug, I just went to the hardware store and bought a 1/2" to 1" extension plug for less than $1 that I carry with me.

 

[gmushial]

As I am watching Ron White !

Per NEC NFPA . the breaker is sized to protect the wires and the outlet .

I want to know the wire size . 12 GA can easy handle 15 Amps .

So Really unless they are running 20 Gauge speaker wire I don't see a Huge issue per NEC with a few hundred watts ....... IF and this is a IF they Follow the LAW . the NEC does weed its way in to many 120V places . So keep that in mind

No EE worth there salt would use less then 14Ga or so wire from a physical strength stand point . and 14 Ga can do 10 A

or 1200 W ((( 120V * 10A))) . the issue is like in a house the entire SIDE of a upper deck superlner may be on a 15A breaker ..

so LIke in a college dorm . If every one runs a hair dryer and a heater you are gonna pop the breaker .

Peter

As I am watching Ron White !

Per NEC NFPA . the breaker is sized to protect the wires and the outlet .

I want to know the wire size . 12 GA can easy handle 15 Amps .

So Really unless they are running 20 Gauge speaker wire I don't see a Huge issue per NEC with a few hundred watts ....... IF and this is a IF they Follow the LAW . the NEC does weed its way in to many 120V places . So keep that in mind

No EE worth there salt would use less then 14Ga or so wire from a physical strength stand point . and 14 Ga can do 10 A

or 1200 W ((( 120V * 10A))) . the issue is like in a house the entire SIDE of a upper deck superlner may be on a 15A breaker ..

so LIke in a college dorm . If every one runs a hair dryer and a heater you are gonna pop the breaker .

Peter

#14 is good for 15A

#12 is good for 20A

Of course this assumes the length of the circuit and the load do not cause voltage drop issues. Recomended practice is 5% voltage drop from service to utilization equipment with branch circuits being 3% and feeders being 2%.

I am not sure if railroads need to follow the NEC. The NEC is a prescriptive based code and even the building codes have language for performance based standards under engineering supervision. Amtrak or rail car builders may look at it this way to design things that the NEC was never really written for.

Though the operative point being: one is sharing the circuit with several/multiple others, ie, if two people plug in their 1500w irons, then the breaker for the circuit opens and everyone on that circuit is without. Now, if one is sharing the circuit with only oneself, then clearly what one can plug in is limited by the circuit/wiring/breaker.

 

[fredevad]

Personally, I have a 6 foot extension cord I keep for Roomette travel which I plug in and run in between the window and the center table as soon as I move in. That way I have multiple outlets that are easily accessible by both myself and any traveling companion.