Abbreviations, etc.

Amtrak Unlimited Discussion Forum

Help Support Amtrak Unlimited Discussion Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Status
Not open for further replies.

PJRACER

Service Attendant
Joined
Sep 20, 2010
Messages
200
Location
Dunedin, FL
It must be the thing to do on this particular forum....but I am fairly new as a participant and I am constantly guessing at some of the abbreviations mean. I am not referring to the different stations that AMTRAK travels.....but the DC's, the SCA's, and on and on.....yes in most cases I can figure out what they mean, but it is really an annoyance and an interuption in the reading process on alot of the posts. DYKWIM (that stands for: Do you know what I mean) Gotcha
 
laugh.gif
Yeah I know, but I dont think IWC (it will change)!!!!
 
Nothing personal, but the abbreviations are just that - abbreviations!

The station codes most of the times are obvious: LAX, NYP, WAS, CHI, etc... And less obvious ones can be easily found on Amtrak.com - under the "find a station" link. It is easier to type "NYP" then "New York City - Pennsylvania Station"!

Some other abbreviation that you may see are easier for most of us to type. It is easier to type "SCA" than it is to type out "Sleeping Car Attendant". Likewise, it is easier to type "LSA" than it is to type out "Lead Service Attendant".

Train names are often abbreviated also. It is easier to type "CZ" , "CONO" or "SWC" then to type out "California Zephyr", "City of New Orleans" or "Southwest Chief".

Many times, we also abbreviate screen names. Like myself, I may be called "TT" as it is easier to type then "the_traveler".

If there are some abbreviations that you do not know or can't figure out, just ask!
wink.gif


And yes, RF, IMNC (It may not change)!
laugh.gif
 
Last edited by a moderator:
It must be the thing to do on this particular forum....but I am fairly new as a participant and I am constantly guessing at some of the abbreviations mean. I am not referring to the different stations that AMTRAK travels.....but the DC's, the SCA's, and on and on.....yes in most cases I can figure out what they mean, but it is really an annoyance and an interuption in the reading process on alot of the posts. DYKWIM (that stands for: Do you know what I mean) Gotcha
When I first starting visit this forum I often saw IIRC and thought it was referring to some "railroad corporation" and finally got up the nerve to ask. :blush: IIRC (if I recall correctly) my question was answered in a kind and gentle way! Hang in there and you soon will be "acronyming" it with the best!
 
I was the same way when I first visited this forum. I used the abbreviations as an educating process and learned a few things along the way :rolleyes:
 
I've been visiting this forum for years, and so I know it'll never change .... but I strongly agree that the use of acronyms here has gotten out of hand. I know that for some people, using lots of abbreviations makes you feel like a member of an inner circle of some sort, but what you might fail to recognize is that the practice also means that your posts have less impact, because some forum readers automatically skip those abbreviation-filled posts.

It just takes a second or two longer to spell out a word instead of use a possibly-unfamiliar abbreviation, a simple courtesy that many people will appreciate. If it's really that important to broadcast your railfan credentials, spell out the word the first time you use it in a post, and then switch to the abbreviation.
 
I've been visiting this forum for years, and so I know it'll never change .... but I strongly agree that the use of acronyms here has gotten out of hand. I know that for some people, using lots of abbreviations makes you feel like a member of an inner circle of some sort, but what you might fail to recognize is that the practice also means that your posts have less impact, because some forum readers automatically skip those abbreviation-filled posts.

It just takes a second or two longer to spell out a word instead of use a possibly-unfamiliar abbreviation, a simple courtesy that many people will appreciate. If it's really that important to broadcast your railfan credentials, spell out the word the first time you use it in a post, and then switch to the abbreviation.
This is so very well put......you have a way with expressing my thoughts. Being fairly new, I certainly didn't want to step on any toe's or create any waves. I concur!!
 
It just takes a second or two longer to spell out a word instead of use a possibly-unfamiliar abbreviation, a simple courtesy that many people will appreciate. If it's really that important to broadcast your railfan credentials, spell out the word the first time you use it in a post, and then switch to the abbreviation.
I admit that I am guilty of this, and many time I do spell it out the first time. But just using the (no longer available) Slidell (SDL) to LAX (Los Angeles) loophole, which of the following is easier to type (or even read):

  1. SDL-WAS-CHI-PDX-LAX
  2. Slidell, LA to Washington, DC to Chicago, IL to Portland, OR to Los Angeles, CA

Just using my latest trip in October, I could have written either one of these as my routing:

  1. KIN-BOS-NYP-CHI-STL-KCY-STL-KWD-KCY-LAX-PDX-CBS-CHI-WAS-NYP-PLB-NYP-WAS-KIN
  2. Kingston,RI to Boston - South Station, MA to New York City - Pennsylvania Station, NY to Chicago - Union Station, IL to St Louis, MO to Kansas City - Union Station, MO to St Louis, MO to Kirkwood, MO to Kansas City - Union Station, MO to Los Angeles - Union Passenger Terminal, CA to Portland - Union Station, OR to Columbus, WI to Chicago - Union Station, IL to Washington - Union Station, DC to New York City - Pennsylvania Station, NY to Plattsburgh, NY to New York City - Pennsylvania Station, NY to Washington - Union Station, DC to Kingston, RI

They both say the exact same thing, except one takes much more typing!
rolleyes.gif
 
Well, the easiest one to read would be option 1.5 ... the city names spelled out without all the extra padding you added. And it would probably be the easiest one for many people to type, too, given the heavy shift-key use that all those acronyms require. :rolleyes:

But the point is this: most people who read this forum aren't going to have acronyms like SDL and KIN memorized ... and when they see stuff like that, a good many of them are going to skip right on by without reading. So using the acronyms, what you're implying is that your message is important enough to spend 30 seconds typing for a small audience, but not important enough to spend 31 seconds typing for a larger audience. :)
 
Well, the easiest one to read would be option 1.5 ... the city names spelled out without all the extra padding you added. And it would probably be the easiest one for many people to type, too, given the heavy shift-key use that all those acronyms require.
rolleyes.gif


But the point is this: most people who read this forum aren't going to have acronyms like SDL and KIN memorized ... and when they see stuff like that, a good many of them are going to skip right on by without reading. So using the acronyms, what you're implying is that your message is important enough to spend 30 seconds typing for a small audience, but not important enough to spend 31 seconds typing for a larger audience.
smile.gif

You definitely have a point!!!
 
Well, the easiest one to read would be option 1.5 ... the city names spelled out without all the extra padding you added. And it would probably be the easiest one for many people to type, too, given the heavy shift-key use that all those acronyms require. :rolleyes:

But the point is this: most people who read this forum aren't going to have acronyms like SDL and KIN memorized ... and when they see stuff like that, a good many of them are going to skip right on by without reading. So using the acronyms, what you're implying is that your message is important enough to spend 30 seconds typing for a small audience, but not important enough to spend 31 seconds typing for a larger audience. :)
While it is true that it takes longer to type, it did not take 31 seconds instead of 30 seconds either. Many of us are not speed typist either.

And if someone is traveling from somewhere (say WAS) to Portland, Maine, and it says they have to change trains in Boston, do you just put BOS?
huh.gif
All that "extra padding" is needed because there are actually 4 stations in Boston!

  1. BOS = Boston - South Station
  2. BBY = Boston - Back Bay
  3. RTE = Boston - Route 128
  4. BON = Boston - North Station

All Amtrak trains (except trains to Maine) go to South Station. The Maine trains depart only from North Station. And there is over 1 mile between the two stations!

How would you feel at (not an exact time) 2:55 while you're sitting at South Station for your train to Portland, and don't see it listed?
huh.gif
You go and ask, and are told that your train leaves in 5 minutes from another station across town!
ohmy.gif
I don't think you'll make the train, and you probably won't be too happy either!
 
I've been visiting this forum for years, and so I know it'll never change .... but I strongly agree that the use of acronyms here has gotten out of hand. I know that for some people, using lots of abbreviations makes you feel like a member of an inner circle of some sort, but what you might fail to recognize is that the practice also means that your posts have less impact, because some forum readers automatically skip those abbreviation-filled posts.

It just takes a second or two longer to spell out a word instead of use a possibly-unfamiliar abbreviation, a simple courtesy that many people will appreciate. If it's really that important to broadcast your railfan credentials, spell out the word the first time you use it in a post, and then switch to the abbreviation.
Probably going the other way thou in our TXT-enabled world of hand-held devices.
I'm no big fan of it, but that's just the way it's headed, IMHO.............
laugh.gif
 
All Amtrak trains (except trains to Maine) go to South Station. The Maine trains depart only from North Station. And there is over 1 mile between the two stations!
Yep, and if a novice traveler asks for advice and is told to "get off in BBY and take MBTA to BON," it's just going to frustrate him, and probably make him go looking for someplace that's more helpful. "Get off in Back Bay and take the Orange Line to North Station," isn't hard to type at all, and would be the courteous advice for someone who's not a thoroughly hardcore Amtrak traveler.

But like I said, I don't really expect habits here to change. It's unfortunate, though ...
 
Yep, and if a novice traveler asks for advice and is told to "get off in BBY and take MBTA to BON," it's just going to frustrate him, and probably make him go looking for someplace that's more helpful. "Get off in Back Bay and take the Orange Line to North Station," isn't hard to type at all, and would be the courteous advice for someone who's not a thoroughly hardcore Amtrak traveler.
It's hard to say, but I agree with you - to a point!
biggrin.gif


I'd rather tell them to "Get off at BOSTON'S Back Bay Station, and take the orange line of the T to North Station". Otherwise, they may look on a map for a place called "Back Bay".
 
I was new here once, and i didn't find it that hard at all to look up what i couldn't figure out.

I had barely ever seen passenger trains either. (none in norfolk or virginia beach)

feel free to try to take some initiative yourself as well via google or amtrak.com, etc. ... just like i did
 
Most of these abbreviations ARE obvious, even when I didn't know anything about Amtrak. However, stations that are not major cities should be spelled out. PDX really should be spelled out, it's not obvious at all.
 
PDX really should be spelled out, it's not obvious at all.
Actually if you're also familiar with airlines, you know that PDX is also the code for the airport in Portland, OR! The same is true for the following:

  • ALB
  • PVD
  • SYR
  • ROC
  • BUF
  • EWR
  • BWI
  • ATL
  • TPA
  • MIA
  • MSP
  • STL
  • DEN
  • SEA
  • LAX
  • ABQ
  • etc...

So many are not spelled out for that reason also.
rolleyes.gif
 
I was new here once, and i didn't find it that hard at all to look up what i couldn't figure out.

I had barely ever seen passenger trains either. (none in norfolk or virginia beach)

feel free to try to take some initiative yourself as well via google or amtrak.com, etc. ... just like i did
Aside from not residing near the great bay of Chesapeake, I have to ditto johnny's response. Cracking open a system timetable to find a station acronym, googling railroad speak, it really is all there and it came to me rather quickly. I did find some posts intimidating, but was determined to understand them, as this community has a great deal to offer. Because of which, I'm off on another excursion in 5 days, 22 hours, 32 mins and 49 sec. But who is counting? :lol:
 
I have to agree with Jerry that we are consumed by abbreviations. Sometimes the members, and I as an ex-RR'er (Railroader), have a bad habit of assuming that everyone who reads these posts understands them. When we get into a discussion it's hard to spell out all the different stations. :cool: And forget Dave~ he's been to more places than Amtrak has symbols for stations !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top