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https://media.amtrak.com/2024/09/am...port-more-sustainable-transportation-choices/ what do the members here think of this. I hate supporting a near monopoly and I hope they've tested the heck out of it, but this could be useful for many people. And possibly drive new traffic to Amtrak. From Amtrak Media Center, "Amtrak information will appear in Google search results when a user indicates they are considering rail travel between two Amtrak destinations. As part of this integration, Google will also show train suggestions when travelers look for flights on Google Search or Google Flights, helping people consider more sustainable options when deciding how to get from A to B. More information is available on Google’s blog.1"
 
It lets people know there are other options than flying. Working with Google makes sense if you are trying to increase your customer base.

If someone objects to using Google, don't use it. This is targeting people who are already using Google; it does not force people who do not like using it to use it.

I may be missing apparent negatives. If there is something I am missing, I am willing to learn.
 
It lets people know there are other options than flying. Working with Google makes sense if you are trying to increase your customer base.

If someone objects to using Google, don't use it. This is targeting people who are already using Google; it does not force people who do not like using it to use it.

I may be missing apparent negatives. If there is something I am missing, I am willing to learn.
Any significant downside to this is not obvious to me. Amtrak IMHO should strike more such deals. Getting visibility on widely deployed platforms is a good thing for business.
 
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It lets people know there are other options than flying. Working with Google makes sense if you are trying to increase your customer base.

If someone objects to using Google, don't use it. This is targeting people who are already using Google; it does not force people who do not like using it to use it.

I may be missing apparent negatives. If there is something I am missing, I am willing to learn.
The negative is that it appears Google has an exclusive data source that nobody else has access to and OP kinda hinted at that. Websites like railforless.us have struggled to do this as Amtrak tries extremely hard to prevent bots from scraping rail itinerary and fare data. RailForLess relies on web browser simulation to "appear human" to get fare and trip data for multiple days. Now we have Google just waltzing in and having this data for (apparently) free.

This is obviously "good" for both Amtrak and Google but I hope this goes the way of GTFS (General Transit Feed Specification) which was a Google invention meant for public transit agencies interacting with Google Maps; it's a format and publication that transit agencies offer for anyone to use despite its close origins and continued association with Google Maps.
 
So, we all think this is a good thing then?
I think "better than not having it" is objectively true in this case. I use Google to search flights, and most of the time I know if Amtrak would make any sense before searching, but in those situations where I would not otherwise know this might help inform me. I do look at emissions estimates and sometimes make changes based on what it says. Like most members I think Amtrak should provide API access to more aggregators, but I'm not seeing how this specific change prevents that.
 
I think "better than not having it" is objectively true in this case. I use Google to search flights, and most of the time I know if Amtrak would make any sense before searching, but in those situations where I would not otherwise know this might help inform me. I do look at emissions estimates and sometimes make changes based on what it says. Like most members I think Amtrak should provide API access to more aggregators, but I'm not seeing how this specific change prevents that.
You are exactly right.

There are two or three separable issues being conflated in this discussion.

The technical issue of how data is transmitted to and fro between Amtrak and Google about train service is handled by using GTFS just like the integration with SNCF and DB and others in Europe.

As for the integration in how the results of a search are presented, that is internal to Google since afterall that UX is entirely Google's bailiwick.

And finally handling the link back to Amtrak to initiate a reservation, that may be something that Amtrak provides using a non-standard interface. So there would be an opportunity to standardize that if it is not done already as a bolt on to GTFS.

My inside mole does not know for sure how the third piece above is done at present, but we both agreed that there is an opportunity for an open standard usage there if it is not already using something concocted by the likes of OASIS.

I have spent 20 years of my professional career in architecting and developing open standards for inter module communication in enterprise systems, so this is near and dear to my heart. I was the primary representative of HP at Object Management Group, OASIS and DMTF and several ISO/IEC JTC-1 Subcommittee US Mirror Committees for a decade and a half, and edited the CORBA standard upto CORBA 3.0.

And finally there is the marketing side, which is ... well ... marketing, and I know very little about it.

As an example of such integration Indian Railways provides a standard feed using GTFS to anyone that wants to suck in such information into their system, and provides a standard interface to the reservation system using a SABRE-like interface. IR has its own UX provided through IRCTC, which interestingly provides an integrated view of trains + planes where appropriate even though it is primarily a railway reservation system. In addition now there are at least a dozen third party reservation UX providers that integrate seamlessly with IR and airlines and provide an integrated view (some even integrating interstate bus services), and a few of the third party interfaces are way better than IR's own interface, including in handling IR specific functions of managing reservations in WL (waiting list) and RAC (Reservation Against Cancellation) etc. So, if there is a will there is a way.
 
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Will railforless.us now be able to scrape Google far easier to get Amtrak data? Will the need for railforless.us likely go away after Google gets done what it wants? I use Google Flights for commercial flight planning purposes.
 
Will railforless.us now be able to scrape Google far easier to get Amtrak data? Will the need for railforless.us likely go away after Google gets done what it wants? I use Google Flights for commercial flight planning purposes.
railforless and everyone else should be able to access Amtrak data through GTFS API supported by Amtrak. If they are not supporting the entire suit of APIs we through Congress should require them to do so. That is the solution, not random scraping. Google is not end all and be all and they don't have any reservation interface that even vaguely comes close to some of the convenience that I find in the third party apps available in India. Why does the land of the free not take steps to enable same in its own domain?
 
https://media.amtrak.com/2024/09/am...port-more-sustainable-transportation-choices/ what do the members here think of this. I hate supporting a near monopoly and I hope they've tested the heck out of it, but this could be useful for many people. And possibly drive new traffic to Amtrak. From Amtrak Media Center, "Amtrak information will appear in Google search results when a user indicates they are considering rail travel between two Amtrak destinations. As part of this integration, Google will also show train suggestions when travelers look for flights on Google Search or Google Flights, helping people consider more sustainable options when deciding how to get from A to B. More information is available on Google’s blog.1"
Since there is spotty wifi at best while traveling by train, why should I be impressed?
 
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