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Yeah that's how it is. If we would not be so damned compassionate, there would be far fewer such accidents. That logic is easy to follow.
In fact, here's what we should do: find out if the trucker had any kids, then call them up and point out how stupid their daddy was. That'll teach em!
If I'm ever careless enough to drive a commercial truck or construction vehicle into the path of an oncoming train you have my explicit permission to call my entire family and tell them what an ***** I was. Or maybe you could tell us what sort of safety minded solution you envision catering to the needs of the innocent without hurting the feelings of the grossly incompetent.
I don't have a solution, but I am not idiotic enough to suggest "Maybe our misplaced compassion is what helped enable so many unsafe commercial truck drivers in the first place."
But what? Like you said, you don't have any solutions. You don't even seem to recognize that there's a problem to be solved. All you seem to care about is what politically incorrect stuff is being said about incompetent truckers and trying to turn it into some sort of straw man attack on their children. Maybe that's not really how you feel but it's certainly how you sound to me.
 
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In fact, here's what we should do: find out if the trucker had any kids, then call them up and point out how stupid their daddy was. That'll teach em!
If I'm ever careless enough to drive a commercial truck or construction vehicle into the path of an oncoming train you have my explicit permission to call my entire family and tell them what an ***** I was. Or maybe you could tell us what sort of safety minded solution you envision catering to the needs of the innocent without hurting the feelings of the grossly incompetent.
I don't have a solution, but I am not idiotic enough to suggest "Maybe our misplaced compassion is what helped enable so many unsafe commercial truck drivers in the first place."
But what? Like you said, you don't have any solutions. You don't even seem to recognize that there's a problem to be solved. All you seem to care about is what politically incorrect stuff is being said about incompetent truckers and trying to turn it into some sort of straw man attack on their children. Maybe that's not really how you feel but it's certainly how you sound to me.
I don't see in any of your posts any practical suggestions either... just being your usual contrary know-it-all self. Consistency is important though, don't ever change!
 
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The accident was the lead story on our local news. It was reported that the dump truck driver had many violations in his driving history, including running red lights and driving with improper equipment. It was also reported that a similar accident occurred at the same crossing in 2002 under similar circumstances. Today, the train was traveling 60mph and in 2002, it was traveling 75mph. In both instances, the driver failed to stop at a stop sign.

The Florida DOT now owns the property at the intersection (because of SunRail) and it was reported that they plan to put up lights and crossing gates.

The engine did not look in the video shown on the news. Apparently the truck caught on fire and part of it was imbedded in the lead engine. :(

It also appears that all injuries to passengers were minor, although it was reported that one woman became hysterical when she saw the debris (and possibly the body). Other passengers calmed her down.
 
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As the son and grandson of a long line of "dump truck drivers", I can attest to the fact that many things can happen that may have resulted in this man crossing the tracks with this truck. Brake failures, transmission failures and yes, just not paying attention. Assuming this man was not trying to commit suicide, I believe he had no intention to end up dead or to cause injury to the people on the train. Yes, he may have made a fatal error in judgement that led to this event.

But why do some here continue to act like immature teenagers when addressing the issue. (Find it difficult to believe that anyone would relish the fact that this man is dead)

Hopefully we will know some answers after the investigation is complete but right now it serves no purpose to castigate the driver, his family, etc. When someone dies and/or is injured in an accident, it is ALWAYS a tragedy.
 
In fact, here's what we should do: find out if the trucker had any kids, then call them up and point out how stupid their daddy was. That'll teach em!
If I'm ever careless enough to drive a commercial truck or construction vehicle into the path of an oncoming train you have my explicit permission to call my entire family and tell them what an ***** I was. Or maybe you could tell us what sort of safety minded solution you envision catering to the needs of the innocent without hurting the feelings of the grossly incompetent.
I don't have a solution, but I am not idiotic enough to suggest "Maybe our misplaced compassion is what helped enable so many unsafe commercial truck drivers in the first place."
But what? Like you said, you don't have any solutions. You don't even seem to recognize that there's a problem to be solved. All you seem to care about is what politically incorrect stuff is being said about incompetent truckers and trying to turn it into some sort of straw man attack on their children. Maybe that's not really how you feel but it's certainly how you sound to me.
I don't see in any of your posts any practical suggestions either... just being your usual contrary know-it-all self. Consistency is important though, don't ever change!
I think we could start by no longer pretending that commercial truck drivers and their employers aren't the source of the problem. Truckers are able to avoid fouling these crossings, not the trains that helplessly run into them. Trucking companies are able to fire incompetent truck drivers before they harm or kill themselves and others, not Amtrak. I'm sorry the truth isn't always kind to folks with fragile feelings but I'm tired of protecting the honor of truckers at the expense of everyone else they put in danger when they're not behaving safely. I've driven hundreds of thousands of miles all over this country and when I'm out on the road it's not other automobiles or motorcycles that worry me, it's truck drivers. I'm also in close proximity to commercial truckers on a regular basis. I don't trust these people and I'm still not sure how they were ever allowed to become legal truckers in the first place. Apparently the bar is set so low that nearly anyone can manage it. How many violations does it take to turn an incompetent truck driver back into a harmless pedestrian again? Too many apparently. You'd think that competent truckers themselves would be the first to call for legal and regulatory changes to help weed out the bad apples who harm the image of all truckers, but apparently they'd rather keep sweeping the problem under the rug instead.

As the son and grandson of a long line of "dump truck drivers", I can attest to the fact that many things can happen that may have resulted in this man crossing the tracks with this truck. Brake failures, transmission failures and yes, just not paying attention. Assuming this man was not trying to commit suicide, I believe he had no intention to end up dead or to cause injury to the people on the train. Yes, he may have made a fatal error in judgement that led to this event. But why do some here continue to act like immature teenagers when addressing the issue. (Find it difficult to believe that anyone would relish the fact that this man is dead) Hopefully we will know some answers after the investigation is complete but right now it serves no purpose to castigate the driver, his family, etc. When someone dies and/or is injured in an accident, it is ALWAYS a tragedy.
Yes, whenever a trucker harms or kills another person through their own negligence or incompetence it's a tragedy. Doesn't matter if it's a pedestrian or a bicyclist or another driver or a train engineer or passenger. That much we can agree on. I'm not aware of anybody who is relishing this endlessly repetitive self-fulfiling mess we've created. However, some of us are ready to see some actual changes for once.
 
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Let's try to see reason in darkness.

This event has ties to a greater syndrome of behavior I'm seeing with my own eyes, more than ever. People who cross the street when vehicular traffic is approaching, and seem to dare them by deliberately not getting out of the way, and in a few extreme times, even slowed down to get in an angry stare or middle finger. The belief that each individual has no burden of knowing the guidelines and processes governing movement of physical masses, and the consequnces when they make contact, is astonishing. I've seen people of all walks, young and old, blue or white collar, yak away on the cellphones crossing directly in front of fire engines, ambulances, and other emergency vehicles, and flash out the obscene gesture or sequence of curse words, when the sirens and lights are blaring.

This syndrome is disturbing in that it touches not only confrontations like this, and a train/truck collision is one of them, but in other behaviors. Folks getting on a crowded bus freely and breezingly knock their bags and other carry ons into others, then play dumb when questioned. In business we are told to treat every one as a customer, i.e. show deference, patience, respect, yet outside of work the same purveyors of office manners will be the first to run me down with their car. Or luggage on wheels. They would sell their mother to Satan five times over, just to prove that they are right, they are number one, they are absolutely correct. Even some of the responses here in this very thread, and you know who you are, have been chipped down to a contest of the last word instead of meaningful dialogue on what happened and rational treatments of related subjects that branch out, whether the laws of physics, the law of law in that part of town, and so forth.

I'd like to see a psychologically based essay be taken up by some bright future scientist, about these behaviors, what are some of the causes, and human error / salvation in general. We have all caused train wrecks in our own lives in some way or another, and have been peacemakers as well, picking up the pieces of others' or our own gross behaviors. And each of us has also been a savior at some point, a glowing light, to someone who needed it.

Deceased newspaper guidance giver Ann Landers said it best many years ago: don't step on loosers, and when winning, enjoy without putdowns of your competitors because at some point in life, you will have been all of these.
 
In WESH 2 News tapes, you can see what they said was another southbound Amtrak train passing the accident

scene. According to the reporter the 2nd train had been slowed to about 10 miles per hour to pass the accident.

So there had to be double track.
 
As for what to do now, it ought to be a mandatory directive for those pursuing a drivers' license for trucks to attend a scouting visit to the warehouse and/or railroad yard holding the wreckage of previous encounters, so that folks can view first hand the consequences of impatience or inattention. If it doesn't result in a health hazard or violate decency standards, leave the blood on the vehicles just as it was found, and show three meaningful, well selected photos.

I would also support legislation that gives financial incentives to schools for to bring students 6 grade and above to a similar course.

Everybody knows trains are big and go fast and are cute under a Christmas tree, but few know the physics of them, the weight, mass, and trajectory on a guided path that guarantees death or grave injury if your vehicle is in front of it.

Railroads can help by having Operation Lifesaver stage a mock up vehicle crash videotaped at every angle.
 
While Operation Lifesaver is a great program that I fully support, on the other hand it is scary we even have to have a program like this. You would believe people would have enough common sense to not get into the path of a train but it is a terrifying part of modern society many people do not have such common sense. I commonly refer to such people as the LCD (Lowest Common Denominator) group.
 
I tend to reserve my sympathy for those whose problems are beyond their control. I am sorry for the family of this truck driver, the victims on the train, (thankfully all injuries there were minor) and for the Amtrak personnel on board, in particular the engineer. As for the truck driver, callous though it may be, I don't reserve such sympathy for him.
 
Rather than the terms like politically correct, I tend to think more in terms like common human decency. Texas, that's why your initial remarks struck me as being in such bad taste.

Now the discussion takes a serious turn, getting technical about how to solve the problems. But the sour taste was established first and it is hard to get rid of.

I'm not pretending anything. I am saying why begin with such negative remarks?
 
We need higher standards for commercial driver's licenses.

Actually, we need higher standards for all driver's licenses, but commercial licenses would be a good start, since they do more driving.

It's just too easy for people who are incompetent, with a record of dangerous driving, to be out on the road driving trucks. We don't allow that sort of behavior in people who fly airplanes or drive trains. But the standard for driving motor vehicles is lax, extremely lax.
 
Someone posted three videos of the damage on You Tube. (see below, search You Tube for Amtrak posted today)

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Sorry, but you have posted more media files than you are allowed to

Editing to add two of the You Tube links

 
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One locomotive damaged, the rest of Amtrak rolling stock looks OK.

Wasn't someone talking about Amtrak starting to have a shortage of diesels? :-(
 
While the results of this accident are tragic, I would hesitate to put all of the blame on the commercial driver. The NTSB will check the condition of the dump truck including the brakes. You can bet that the engineer blew the horn at least 2 seconds before the collision.

Nathanael may be right about standards for getting a CDL in many states. IMHO most of the states have an adequate testing system for getting a CDL including a periodic physical exam.

I got my class B CDL in PA over 30 years ago. When I moved to Oregon I had to take a written exam followed by a physical that required my BP to be under 131/91. To test my hearing, the lab test guy was 10 feet from me facing away from me and whispered a phrase. I had to repeat what he said.

I do drive more miles than most people but more than 90% of my miles now are in Japanese compacts.

The DUI standard in nearly all states is at .08. If I got caught at .04 with my CDL even if I was in my Honda, I would lose my license for at least 30 days.

I have sympathy for the truck driver, his family, the engineer and the crew and for all of the passengers who were delayed.

Until the final report is out on this accident, I will not criticize the truck driver.
 
One locomotive damaged, the rest of Amtrak rolling stock looks OK.
The trailing unit on 91(28), AMTK 144, was also damaged to the point that it is not capable of leading (windshield broken out.)

A 2-unit light engine consist was sent from SFA to pick up 91(28)'s now-empty train and carry it on to Hialeah.

Lead unit, AMTK 60, is too badly damaged to move, even in trail, and was set over into the freight yard.

Another crew has already moved 97(28)'s empty equipment to Hialeah.
 
The accident was the lead story on our local news. It was reported that the dump truck driver had many violations in his driving history, including running red lights and driving with improper equipment.
This is why I immediately thought of commercial drivers license standards.
 
A 2-unit light engine consist was sent from SFA to pick up 91(28)'s now-empty train and carry it on to Hialeah.
How long were 91's passengers delayed? Where they all bussed to their final destinations?

Sorry folks, but if I was on that Silver, I would be mighty upset at this rather stupid truck driver for creating all this unnecessary hassle for me.
 
Sorry folks, but if I was on that Silver, I would be mighty upset at this rather stupid truck driver for creating all this unnecessary hassle for me.
Blaming the truck drivers who chose to foul the crossing is incorrect.

Source: Family members of truck drivers.

I'll admit that it's possible the truck driver didn't intend to foul the crossing.

Maybe the truck driver simply chose to drive a faulty truck with bad breaks.

Maybe the truck driver simply chose to drive a truck that was overweight.

Maybe the truck driver simply chose to use an inherently unsafe crossing.

But, whatever the case, only the truck driver could have prevented this "accident" from ever happening.
 
Post on trainorders says that the driver (deceased) had gotten 23 tickets for moving violations since 2011!! It's a wonder that an Insurance Company would cover him, that the Trucking Company would Employ him, and what's up with Florida not pulling his CDL?? :help:

Guess Government shouldnt be involved in Private Enterprise right? :blink:
 
A 2-unit light engine consist was sent from SFA to pick up 91(28)'s now-empty train and carry it on to Hialeah.
How long were 91's passengers delayed? Where they all bussed to their final destinations?
Hard to say for sure - there were still buses arrriving & departing five hours after the accident. Remember it takes time to locate and make arrangements for that many motorcoaches on a last-minute basis, plus 97(28)'s pax were also bussed. It's not difficult to imagine that the pax for some of the stations between and including WPB & MIA were delayed as much as 10-12 hours.
 
Post on trainorders says that the driver (deceased) had gotten 23 tickets for moving violations since 2011! It's a wonder that an Insurance Company would cover him, that the Trucking Company would Employ him, and what's up with Florida not pulling his CDL? Guess Government shouldnt be involved in Private Enterprise right?
No wonder at all.

We see this kind of thing all the time.

Well, those of us who (1) do a lot of driving where commercial vehicles are common, (2) support services involving commercial vehicles, and (2) are not part of a commercial trucking family see it.
 
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