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All of you that want to see Amtrak OBS Employees treated like Fast Food Teenagers are welcome to apply for the $7.25 an Hour Jobs with No Benefits.

A Liveable Wage and Benefits should be the MINIMUM that ALL Americans should receive in the Richest Society in the History of the World!( or maybe you're part of the 1% that feels I got mine, screw the workers!)
 
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The Unions were a beneficial part of railroad history. When George Pullman ran the sleeping cars, the Porters (modern day SCA's) who were mostly black citizens were not paid a livable wage and had to rely on tips to just squeak out a modest living. In 1925 the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters was established and provided those in the profession better wages, health, retirement and pension benefits. As a result, many Pullman porters became prominent citizens/leaders in their communities and were significant contributors to the development of America's black middle class.

Today the Railroad Workers Union continues to provide SCA'a FSA.s and the onboard crews with a voice regarding their employment but that voice has been weakened. Now Amtrak does whatever it wants with little oversight. The workers themselves now work with little oversight. Both scenarios need to change.
 
IMHO, a big part of the problem is that Amtrak's bookkeepers aren't allocating the correct portion of Sleeper ticket fares to the dining car. Yea, you are paying a hefty price, and believe a good part of it is suppose to be for meals, but it appears that doesn't happen in reality.

If I was in charge (vote for me!), I would make sure that enough of Sleeper fares get allocated to the dining car to cover 100% of all its costs (no loosing money). When any additional meals get served/sold to Coach passengers, and the dining car actually starts to show a profit.
This! I've been saying for months, if F&B needs to turn a profit, just allocate the necessary amount from the sleeper fund, which is not required to turn a profit. "Creative accounting" can be a great tool when there are arbitrary mandates/rules in play.
 
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The Amtrak employees are trying to alert folk to the continued trend to replace all proper meals with the boxed stuff, which is already going down like a lead balloon with riders...

Why take this moment to bash those employees?

Should not our annoyance be directed at the managment, the only ones who want this change...?

We all know that Big Business, Wall Street, etc, behaves in a kind and caring way to all the workers in their employ, so no need to keep repeating how the workers don't need nasty unions... (Do Americans get irony...?)

Ed.
 
I have to wonder if Amtrak could operate more efficiently - and have more ability to dismiss employees with attitude problems (for example, some members of the dining car wait staffs that moist of us long-distance passengers have experienced all too often) if they could jettison all of their contracts with organized labor.

If employees of a privately owned business want to organized into a union for some reason, I suppose that's OK (but I have to believe top performers in any line of work don't need unions) but government employees should be not be unionized at all. I don't know what percentage of Amtrak's expenses are for labor - if it's anything like the US Postal Service I'm sure it's too high - but between artificially high (above-market) wages, and restrictive work rules, I'm not sure the unions do much to enhance the Amtrak customer experience, or to help keep fares and sleeper changes as reasonable as they could otherwise be.
How soon we forget that organized labor brought us things like an 8 hour work day and 40 hour work week amongst other employee benefits.
An Amtrak OBS employee is not like your typical restaurant employee who works an ~8 hour shift then goes home. On the long distance trains, they can be away from home for almost a week, working +16 hour days.
It’s been a while since I’ve worked a 40 hour work week.

But more to the point, they choose the job knowing they will be away from family. It isn’t sprung on them.
Bucket of crabs, anyone?

Yes, those workers were well aware that those were the terms of employment. But they accepted those terms with the understanding that they would be justly compensated for the unorthodox working conditions as well as for their labor.
 
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I have to wonder if Amtrak could operate more efficiently - and have more ability to dismiss employees with attitude problems (for example, some members of the dining car wait staffs that moist of us long-distance passengers have experienced all too often) if they could jettison all of their contracts with organized labor.

If employees of a privately owned business want to organized into a union for some reason, I suppose that's OK (but I have to believe top performers in any line of work don't need unions) but government employees should be not be unionized at all. I don't know what percentage of Amtrak's expenses are for labor - if it's anything like the US Postal Service I'm sure it's too high - but between artificially high (above-market) wages, and restrictive work rules, I'm not sure the unions do much to enhance the Amtrak customer experience, or to help keep fares and sleeper changes as reasonable as they could otherwise be.
How soon we forget that organized labor brought us things like an 8 hour work day and 40 hour work week amongst other employee benefits.
An Amtrak OBS employee is not like your typical restaurant employee who works an ~8 hour shift then goes home. On the long distance trains, they can be away from home for almost a week, working +16 hour days.
It’s been a while since I’ve worked a 40 hour work week.
But more to the point, they choose the job knowing they will be away from family. It isn’t sprung on them.
Bucket of crabs, anyone?
Yes, those workers were well aware that those were the terms of employment. But they accepted those terms with the understanding that they would be justly compensated for the unorthodox working conditions as well as for their labor.
Your proof that they aren’t getting the wages they agreed to, please.

Was someone promised a condition of employment they aren’t getting?

No longer being happy with the wages or working conditions you chose to accept means you need a new job, not that you are being treated unfairly.
 
I encourage any of you who think you understand the job of an LSA or other OBS to PM me as I can get you experience so you can truly understand our struggles. As many of you know I am majorly involved in the PV community and have been employed by multiple owners and operators to do various tasks.

One year I worked a dining car on a very large excursion train that served 300 passengers with fresh prepared meals for both breakfast and dinner service. We had a 56 seat table car and a 48 seat diner making it roughly three services for each meal. Each passenger when purchasing their ticket also stated which meal they wanted.

The train departed at eight am however I reported to work at four am in order to have my eight fifteen service prepared. As one of the senior more experienced crew members I was the equivalent of an LSA. My first job at four am was to start making up the place seatings and assembling the forks, spoons, knifes and wrapping them in the cloth napkin. However we only have 120 pieces of silver so between the first and third seatings we had to wash them in the dishwasher. But that's getting ahead of the point.

The cooks started prepping the kitchen also at four am, and started actually around 5:30 am. But back to my job at six am I made a final check to make sure I had enough provisions for the day, ensuring that the water tanks were full, and that we had all the paper products we needed. At seven am passengers board the train but because of the extreme length they must pass the dining car meaning all of our supplies must be clear and the car must be presentable.

So by seven all of the tables must be prepared, the windows and surfaces are scrubbed, and the walkway clear of obstruction and clean. While passengers are boarding we continue to prepare for the next seating and assisting the food specialists as requested. If we are lucky between when the passengers board and the first service we will get five minutes off of our legs.

As the LSA my job starting at departure was to sit people at various tables trying to keep groups together. With groups of two and four being most common and the easiest. One also has to deal with odd numbered groups which are more difficult to seat. Of course you have people who want to save seats for other people "still coming" who are trying to avoid community seating, or people who request a new table for the scenery, or don't like the people they've been sat with often in a full car when it's next to impossible. As the LSA you get to hear the complaints first hand.

However the regular servers are on the front line and get these complaints before the LSA and they have to deal with it. Our diner (table car) had three servers one for roughly four tables. Each server has to rapidly greet each table and get a drink order. However different people talk differently with different accents, and lisps which oftentimes can be hard to comprehend on a busy and loud dining car over passenger and train noise.

Before you head to the kitchen to fill drinks you usually hit at least two to all of your tables. Once you fill your drinks and place them on the tray to carry out you need to be very careful with how you place them on a tray. Remember on a train it's more of a balancing game than a stationary restaurant so plan wisely. Or else you are spilling it all over you or worse a passenger.

After the drinks have been served its time to bring the main course out because we had one option only for the breakfast service made it very easy to serve. But remember if you have four plates on the tray how to balance the tray so it doesn't topple meanwhile people are shuffling behind you on the aisle. Also don't forget try to serve from the right and clear from the left.

Make sure to watch the passengers drink to keep them full, as a full glass is a happy passenger. After a passenger has finished their meal clear from the left and load the tray in a way to keep it stable. And try not to look judging when you see the many disgusting ways passengers eat.

Eventually if passengers remain sitting long after their meal has been finished it becomes the LSA's job to nicely force them out because other passengers need to be fed. So after the passengers are gone there is a small window of time to completely flip the table which requires cleaning the table, and resetting the place settings. Repeat this process as many times as needed to serve all of the passengers.

Our servers do everything from fix drinks, take orders, serve food, clear tables, and bus tables. Me as the LSA I do whatever it takes to help the team if it's filling drinks, or taking orders out. On top of doing paperwork for what supplies we've used.

At the end of the last breakfast service we then have time to turn the entire car. So we take the vacuum out clean the carpet (like I said people eat nasty), clean the tables, chairs, sanitize surfaces. All while someone else is having to be the dishwasher. Luckily on our car we have a mechanical dishwasher so someone just loads it and takes it out.

Once the car is completely clean we try to prepare for the next service which in our case is dinner beginning at five keep in mind this is now about 11 am. We do this a bit early in order to get a break midday when the passengers are off the train. Between eight am and the 12 pm layover we generally get ten minutes of time for a break. I am fairly strict I prefer my crew not to be on their phone in places where passengers can walk by and see them.

Our chef starts preparing for the four pm dinner at one pm with again 300 meals expected of him this time a prime rib, and a pasta dish for main courses, salads, dinner rolls, and various sides.

My service crew starts prepping the diner for passengers at three because after cleaning we do not put place seatings out because they get messed up over time. For dinner we repeat the same morning practice except we have to take orders.

And we also have people who complain they got the wrong dish, or don't like the food and want the other option, among several other things. All of these complaints have to be addressed all the while handling 56 passengers. It's incredibly hard to provide great and equal service for all 56 passengers under your care.

The last passenger is served out of the car hopefully by eight for a nine pm arrival. However after the passengers are gone our job isn't over. The servers will clean the car while me as the LSA I have to do inventory. While the food specialists are busy tearing down the kitchen and cleaning. Often times this process is still going on after arrival for us but talking o Amtrak LSA's I hear the company wants it done prior to arrival.

A difference between us and Amtrak the servers, food specialists, and me the LSA have to restock the car. Luckily someone usually had a golf cart and we are able to get supplies from the office subbing as a commissary fairly easy. But one still has to lift multiple boxes over ones head and place on the floor of the train for someone else to move rapidly to get it out of the way.

Usually the amount coming on can not be stored right away so the priority is to get stuff on then sort. This is so other cars can use the golf cart for their own stocking needs. After supplies are loaded out it can take up to an hour to be stowed. Especially because trains have limited storage space you oftentimes have to be creative. I've kept fruit parfaits stowed in five different nearby cars refrigerators because I didn't have space once.

So on average we go off duty around 11:30 pm to 12:00 am. And guess what we do if all again the next day starting at four. And even though you are tired, and groggy you must show your best self to passengers. After all they do pay our checks, so have to keep smiling, and moving.

Now we are lucky compared to the Amtrak diner crews in this case as we don't serve lunch which gives us a slight advantage to them. So while I'm not apologizing for the bad crew members out there. I'm hoping maybe you can appreciate them a little more. It's a much harder, more tiring job than that of a traditional server. And that's why they deserve to be compensated well.

The difference between me and a lot of you guys is that I've actually done the jobs were talking about in excursions and PV world. I've probably worked in every on board craft from a coach/sleeper attendant to diner LSA, and in up to an assistant service manager (to borrow the VIA term). And I am more than happy to help anyone get experience or answer questions about the on board services. I however will defer to people who do it for Amtrak because they have different service standards, and regulations that they must follow.

Now I am not an Amtrak OBS person being a PV OBS person but I stand in solidarity with my Amtrak colleagues.

Now tell me how many of you could do this day after day for up to six and seven days year round?

And how many of you would remain bright and cheery?

#istandinsolidarity #obsisaskill
 
The Amtrak employees are trying to alert folk to the continued trend to replace all proper meals with the boxed stuff, which is already going down like a lead balloon with riders...

Why take this moment to bash those employees?

Should not our annoyance be directed at the managment, the only ones who want this change...?

We all know that Big Business, Wall Street, etc, behaves in a kind and caring way to all the workers in their employ, so no need to keep repeating how the workers don't need nasty unions... (Do Americans get irony...?)

Ed.
I'd like to see real numbers that its going down like a lead balloon. And BTW, it has been proven that lead balloons do fly.

 
I have to wonder if Amtrak could operate more efficiently - and have more ability to dismiss employees with attitude problems (for example, some members of the dining car wait staffs that moist of us long-distance passengers have experienced all too often) if they could jettison all of their contracts with organized labor.

If employees of a privately owned business want to organized into a union for some reason, I suppose that's OK (but I have to believe top performers in any line of work don't need unions) but government employees should be not be unionized at all. I don't know what percentage of Amtrak's expenses are for labor - if it's anything like the US Postal Service I'm sure it's too high - but between artificially high (above-market) wages, and restrictive work rules, I'm not sure the unions do much to enhance the Amtrak customer experience, or to help keep fares and sleeper changes as reasonable as they could otherwise be.
How soon we forget that organized labor brought us things like an 8 hour work day and 40 hour work week amongst other employee benefits.
An Amtrak OBS employee is not like your typical restaurant employee who works an ~8 hour shift then goes home. On the long distance trains, they can be away from home for almost a week, working +16 hour days.
It’s been a while since I’ve worked a 40 hour work week.
But more to the point, they choose the job knowing they will be away from family. It isn’t sprung on them.
Bucket of crabs, anyone?
Yes, those workers were well aware that those were the terms of employment. But they accepted those terms with the understanding that they would be justly compensated for the unorthodox working conditions as well as for their labor.
Your proof that they aren’t getting the wages they agreed to, please.

Was someone promised a condition of employment they aren’t getting?

No longer being happy with the wages or working conditions you chose to accept means you need a new job, not that you are being treated unfairly.
I really don't know where you're coming from on this one.

At no point did I state, or even imply, that the OBS weren't getting their agreed upon compensation, or that the rate was somehow unfair. I merely responded to your insulting comment that OBS don't seem to possess the capacity to understand the demands of their job when they sign on to work for Amtrak. I believe they understand the terms quite clearly, and those terms include being paid a wage that reflects the unusual demands that the job entails.

With your preface that you no longer work a 40-hour week, your comment takes on an added whiff of jealousy, which prompted my "bucket of crabs" comment. If you believe you aren't being fairly compensated for your work, the remedy does not lie in denying fair pay to others.

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All of you that want to see Amtrak OBS Employees treated like Fast Food Teenagers are welcome to apply for the $7.25 an Hour Jobs with No Benefits.

A Liveable Wage and Benefits should be the MINIMUM that ALL Americans should receive in the Richest Society in the History of the World!( or maybe you're part of the 1% that feels I got mine, screw the workers!)
Other than on my first trip on the SL where Alice Wong was working and Veronica in the PPC last year, I've yet to have another dining car staff that I thought deserved a tip let alone their job. Its VERY HARD to feel sympathy for the dining car crew when surely, and "I don't give a $%^&" attitude from my personal experience seems to be the norm.

Unless there is a MINIMUM attitude adjustment, don't count on a whole lot of passengers coming to their support.
 
All right. I know the labor/management divide runs deep and emotions are strong. I want to amplify on my statement above where I said that BOTH management and labor have a lot of room to improve.

Amtrak on-board service staff are some of the most highly compensated employees with one of the best benefit packages in the entire service industry. And I think that's great! Yes, it's a demanding career and it always will be...that goes with the territory...but it ought to be a career that men and women aspire to, and that their pride and satisfaction shows through to the point where their neighbors look up to them and their kids want to follow in their footsteps. The flip side of that is that the services they render should reflect the premium and the benefits which they earn. Passengers ought to look forward to dealing with Amtrak employees...it should be a highlight of the experience! And the employees, themselves, being on the front lines, should be doing their dead level best to encourage each other to excellence when necessary and to make sure that "bad apples" are dealt with.

Management, on the other hand, should be supporting their employees. It's not reasonable to expect employees to provide excellent service when they're being run ragged. Did you know that, in the old days, a 48 seat single-level diner routinely operated with a crew of eleven? That's right...a chef, a cook, and two assistant cooks for prep and cleanup in the kitchen, six waiters (one for every two tables), and a steward in overall charge of the car. Four in the kitchen on a single-level diner, and Santa Fe's Hi-Level Diners (forerunner of today's Superliners) routinely operated with a kitchen crew of six...and a seventh was carried during peak periods. Can you imagine the quality of food which could be turned out from a Superliner kitchen with six motivated employees? That's what they were designed for!

I know businesses need to have an eye on making a profit. That's important. But, at the same time, you aren't going to make a profit on an ongoing basis if you don't provide service at a commensurate level of value! I think that it's long past time for businesses at all levels to make providing excellent service their primary goal. That goes doubly so for a subsidized concern such as Amtrak.

I don't want to see Amtrak's unions broken, especially now. I DO want to see current Amtrak management replaced! But, ultimately, my wish...I admit it, I'm a dreamer...is to see both labor AND management focused less on their own narrow parochial interests and more on how they can better work as a team to provide excellent service to their customers and the territory which they serve.
 
I encourage any of you who think you understand the job of an LSA or other OBS to PM me as I can get you experience so you can truly understand our struggles. As many of you know I am majorly involved in the PV community and have been employed by multiple owners and operators to do various tasks.

One year I worked a dining car on a very large excursion train that served 300 passengers with fresh prepared meals for both breakfast and dinner service. We had a 56 seat table car and a 48 seat diner making it roughly three services for each meal. Each passenger when purchasing their ticket also stated which meal they wanted.

The train departed at eight am however I reported to work at four am in order to have my eight fifteen service prepared. As one of the senior more experienced crew members I was the equivalent of an LSA. My first job at four am was to start making up the place seatings and assembling the forks, spoons, knifes and wrapping them in the cloth napkin. However we only have 120 pieces of silver so between the first and third seatings we had to wash them in the dishwasher. But that's getting ahead of the point.

The cooks started prepping the kitchen also at four am, and started actually around 5:30 am. But back to my job at six am I made a final check to make sure I had enough provisions for the day, ensuring that the water tanks were full, and that we had all the paper products we needed. At seven am passengers board the train but because of the extreme length they must pass the dining car meaning all of our supplies must be clear and the car must be presentable.

So by seven all of the tables must be prepared, the windows and surfaces are scrubbed, and the walkway clear of obstruction and clean. While passengers are boarding we continue to prepare for the next seating and assisting the food specialists as requested. If we are lucky between when the passengers board and the first service we will get five minutes off of our legs.

As the LSA my job starting at departure was to sit people at various tables trying to keep groups together. With groups of two and four being most common and the easiest. One also has to deal with odd numbered groups which are more difficult to seat. Of course you have people who want to save seats for other people "still coming" who are trying to avoid community seating, or people who request a new table for the scenery, or don't like the people they've been sat with often in a full car when it's next to impossible. As the LSA you get to hear the complaints first hand.

However the regular servers are on the front line and get these complaints before the LSA and they have to deal with it. Our diner (table car) had three servers one for roughly four tables. Each server has to rapidly greet each table and get a drink order. However different people talk differently with different accents, and lisps which oftentimes can be hard to comprehend on a busy and loud dining car over passenger and train noise.

Before you head to the kitchen to fill drinks you usually hit at least two to all of your tables. Once you fill your drinks and place them on the tray to carry out you need to be very careful with how you place them on a tray. Remember on a train it's more of a balancing game than a stationary restaurant so plan wisely. Or else you are spilling it all over you or worse a passenger.

After the drinks have been served its time to bring the main course out because we had one option only for the breakfast service made it very easy to serve. But remember if you have four plates on the tray how to balance the tray so it doesn't topple meanwhile people are shuffling behind you on the aisle. Also don't forget try to serve from the right and clear from the left.

Make sure to watch the passengers drink to keep them full, as a full glass is a happy passenger. After a passenger has finished their meal clear from the left and load the tray in a way to keep it stable. And try not to look judging when you see the many disgusting ways passengers eat.

Eventually if passengers remain sitting long after their meal has been finished it becomes the LSA's job to nicely force them out because other passengers need to be fed. So after the passengers are gone there is a small window of time to completely flip the table which requires cleaning the table, and resetting the place settings. Repeat this process as many times as needed to serve all of the passengers.

Our servers do everything from fix drinks, take orders, serve food, clear tables, and bus tables. Me as the LSA I do whatever it takes to help the team if it's filling drinks, or taking orders out. On top of doing paperwork for what supplies we've used.

At the end of the last breakfast service we then have time to turn the entire car. So we take the vacuum out clean the carpet (like I said people eat nasty), clean the tables, chairs, sanitize surfaces. All while someone else is having to be the dishwasher. Luckily on our car we have a mechanical dishwasher so someone just loads it and takes it out.

Once the car is completely clean we try to prepare for the next service which in our case is dinner beginning at five keep in mind this is now about 11 am. We do this a bit early in order to get a break midday when the passengers are off the train. Between eight am and the 12 pm layover we generally get ten minutes of time for a break. I am fairly strict I prefer my crew not to be on their phone in places where passengers can walk by and see them.

Our chef starts preparing for the four pm dinner at one pm with again 300 meals expected of him this time a prime rib, and a pasta dish for main courses, salads, dinner rolls, and various sides.

My service crew starts prepping the diner for passengers at three because after cleaning we do not put place seatings out because they get messed up over time. For dinner we repeat the same morning practice except we have to take orders.

And we also have people who complain they got the wrong dish, or don't like the food and want the other option, among several other things. All of these complaints have to be addressed all the while handling 56 passengers. It's incredibly hard to provide great and equal service for all 56 passengers under your care.

The last passenger is served out of the car hopefully by eight for a nine pm arrival. However after the passengers are gone our job isn't over. The servers will clean the car while me as the LSA I have to do inventory. While the food specialists are busy tearing down the kitchen and cleaning. Often times this process is still going on after arrival for us but talking o Amtrak LSA's I hear the company wants it done prior to arrival.

A difference between us and Amtrak the servers, food specialists, and me the LSA have to restock the car. Luckily someone usually had a golf cart and we are able to get supplies from the office subbing as a commissary fairly easy. But one still has to lift multiple boxes over ones head and place on the floor of the train for someone else to move rapidly to get it out of the way.

Usually the amount coming on can not be stored right away so the priority is to get stuff on then sort. This is so other cars can use the golf cart for their own stocking needs. After supplies are loaded out it can take up to an hour to be stowed. Especially because trains have limited storage space you oftentimes have to be creative. I've kept fruit parfaits stowed in five different nearby cars refrigerators because I didn't have space once.

So on average we go off duty around 11:30 pm to 12:00 am. And guess what we do if all again the next day starting at four. And even though you are tired, and groggy you must show your best self to passengers. After all they do pay our checks, so have to keep smiling, and moving.

Now we are lucky compared to the Amtrak diner crews in this case as we don't serve lunch which gives us a slight advantage to them. So while I'm not apologizing for the bad crew members out there. I'm hoping maybe you can appreciate them a little more. It's a much harder, more tiring job than that of a traditional server. And that's why they deserve to be compensated well.

The difference between me and a lot of you guys is that I've actually done the jobs were talking about in excursions and PV world. I've probably worked in every on board craft from a coach/sleeper attendant to diner LSA, and in up to an assistant service manager (to borrow the VIA term). And I am more than happy to help anyone get experience or answer questions about the on board services. I however will defer to people who do it for Amtrak because they have different service standards, and regulations that they must follow.

Now I am not an Amtrak OBS person being a PV OBS person but I stand in solidarity with my Amtrak colleagues.

Now tell me how many of you could do this day after day for up to six and seven days year round?

And how many of you would remain bright and cheery?

#istandinsolidarity #obsisaskill
This!
 
I’m not anti-union or pro-management. Whatever your job - do it well. If you don’t do it well, and especially if you do it with a bad attitude, I have zero sympathy for you, regardless of the circumstances.

I have seen no obvious correlation between the difficulty of the job and the quality of the service/attitude - it must go deeper than that. I’m sure both management and worker are at fault.
 
So are we happy to see these new boxed meals come in for every dinning car on Amtrak? That seems to be what the employees were protesting about?

Do we feel that the dinning car staff are mostly so bad that these boxed meals are the better option, as some members seem to say?

Do we think that by getting rid of the chefs, etc, that at some later time a better, happier workforce will replace them?

These are the issues we need to talk about in this topic, in my opinion...

Ed.
 
So are we happy to see these new boxed meals come in for every dinning car on Amtrak? That seems to be what the employees were protesting about?

Do we feel that the dinning car staff are mostly so bad that these boxed meals are the better option, as some members seem to say?

Do we think that by getting rid of the chefs, etc, that at some later time a better, happier workforce will replace them?

These are the issues we need to talk about in this topic, in my opinion...

Ed.
About that "better, happier workforce": IIRC, we don't know which companies are suppllying the boxes of food, so we also don't know how their workers are paid and treated. However, outsourcing that eliminates well-paid jobs typically hands the work off to less-well-paid workers elsewhere.
 
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It seems to me that the suppliers are pretty much the same. The packaging is different (my primary displeasure) and the local delivery staff is being curtailed causing net reduction in quality of service (my other complaint). The reduction in choices appears to be a gratuitous shooting oneself in the foot that does not make sense
 
. Did you know that, in the old days, a 48 seat single-level diner routinely operated with a crew of eleven? That's right...a chef, a cook, and two assistant cooks for prep and cleanup in the kitchen, six waiters (one for every two tables), and a steward in overall charge of the car. Four in the kitchen on a single-level diner, and Santa Fe's Hi-Level Diners (forerunner of today's Superliners) routinely operated with a kitchen crew of six...and a seventh was carried during peak periods. Can you imagine the quality of food which could be turned out from a Superliner kitchen with six motivated employees? That's what they were designed for!

I know businesses need to have an eye on making a profit. That's important. But, at the same time, you aren't going to make a profit on an ongoing basis if you don't provide service at a commensurate level of value! I think that it's long past time for businesses at all levels to make providing excellent service their primary goal. That goes doubly so for a subsidized concern such as Amtrak..
Can you imagine what it would cost today, to provide that level of service? A Superliner diner would require 6 or 7 in the galley, and 10 in the dining room?
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. Did you know that, in the old days, a 48 seat single-level diner routinely operated with a crew of eleven? That's right...a chef, a cook, and two assistant cooks for prep and cleanup in the kitchen, six waiters (one for every two tables), and a steward in overall charge of the car. Four in the kitchen on a single-level diner, and Santa Fe's Hi-Level Diners (forerunner of today's Superliners) routinely operated with a kitchen crew of six...and a seventh was carried during peak periods. Can you imagine the quality of food which could be turned out from a Superliner kitchen with six motivated employees? That's what they were designed for!

I know businesses need to have an eye on making a profit. That's important. But, at the same time, you aren't going to make a profit on an ongoing basis if you don't provide service at a commensurate level of value! I think that it's long past time for businesses at all levels to make providing excellent service their primary goal. That goes doubly so for a subsidized concern such as Amtrak..
Can you imagine what it would cost today, to provide that level of service? A Superliner diner would require 6 or 7 in the galley, and 10 in the dining room?
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The flip side of that is that a nine-car El Capitan would seat 496 passengers, and during peak season it would regularly sell out and even necessitate a second section. And because the quality of service was so high, Santa Fe was able to charge a premium extra fare. It sold out anyway. Can you imagine how much revenue would be generated if Amtrak could regularly expect to fill 500 seats at premium fares...especially if a third or so of them were first-class sleeper passengers?
 
I have to wonder if Amtrak could operate more efficiently - and have more ability to dismiss employees with attitude problems (for example, some members of the dining car wait staffs that moist of us long-distance passengers have experienced all too often) if they could jettison all of their contracts with organized labor.

If employees of a privately owned business want to organized into a union for some reason, I suppose that's OK (but I have to believe top performers in any line of work don't need unions) but government employees should be not be unionized at all. I don't know what percentage of Amtrak's expenses are for labor - if it's anything like the US Postal Service I'm sure it's too high - but between artificially high (above-market) wages, and restrictive work rules, I'm not sure the unions do much to enhance the Amtrak customer experience, or to help keep fares and sleeper changes as reasonable as they could otherwise be.
How soon we forget that organized labor brought us things like an 8 hour work day and 40 hour work week amongst other employee benefits.
An Amtrak OBS employee is not like your typical restaurant employee who works an ~8 hour shift then goes home. On the long distance trains, they can be away from home for almost a week, working +16 hour days.
It’s been a while since I’ve worked a 40 hour work week.
But more to the point, they choose the job knowing they will be away from family. It isn’t sprung on them.
Bucket of crabs, anyone?
Yes, those workers were well aware that those were the terms of employment. But they accepted those terms with the understanding that they would be justly compensated for the unorthodox working conditions as well as for their labor.
Your proof that they aren’t getting the wages they agreed to, please.
Was someone promised a condition of employment they aren’t getting?

No longer being happy with the wages or working conditions you chose to accept means you need a new job, not that you are being treated unfairly.
I really don't know where you're coming from on this one.
At no point did I state, or even imply, that the OBS weren't getting their agreed upon compensation, or that the rate was somehow unfair. I merely responded to your insulting comment that OBS don't seem to possess the capacity to understand the demands of their job when they sign on to work for Amtrak. I believe they understand the terms quite clearly, and those terms include being paid a wage that reflects the unusual demands that the job entails.

With your preface that you no longer work a 40-hour week, your comment takes on an added whiff of jealousy, which prompted my "bucket of crabs" comment. If you believe you aren't being fairly compensated for your work, the remedy does not lie in denying fair pay to others.

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I’m not jealous. I am empowered. If so don’t like the conditions I agreed to, I have the ability to look for work elsewhere. Unemployment is at record lows. No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head making anyone work. If you aren’t getting what was agreed to, that is a problem. If you are getting what you agreed to and it is no longer adequate, feel free to look for work elsewhere.

If you find having the ability to walk away from unacceptable circumstances insulting, I have nothing else for you. ‍♀️
 
Personally, I think the SCAs have much harder job yet I've yet to encounter a surly nasty tempered one which seems to be pervasive throughout the dining car. The SCA's that I've dealt with were 95% exceptional and 5% ok. I mean they make the beds, clean the sleeping car including all the beddings. Clean the toilets and the shower, help move luggage and they CAN'T even get a full uninterrupted nights rest due to having to open the doors at every station.

And as someone who worked for 2.5 years serving tables in college, the dining car crew has it pretty damn easy if you ask me. No heavy plates, hell even on some trains no metal silverwares, no plates to scrape, no long distances to walk(the dumbwaiter brings everything up), they don't even have to brew iced tea anymore, side work? Yeah everything stays out the whole trip.
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Plus full benefits and no consequences for surly bad service, I think they are over compensated.
 
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