Changes to customer service on severely late train, not for the better

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I was on an Empire Builder, 8(12/19) that was 12 hours late into Chicago. None of the delay was Amtrak's fault. We were 6 hours late from the gate in Everett, due to slide problems between Seattle and Everett, a new slide had occurred after the deadheading train left Seattle and that had to be cleared and inspected. We were further delayed in Stevens Pass due to downed trees and were 8 hours late into Spokane. BNSF dispatched us well and we did not lose any more time as long as we were on BNSF. However, we dropped another 4 hours once on the CP past Minneapolis/St. Paul. I was connecting on the Hoosier State to Indianapolis.

Historically, Amtrak has put Chicago Passenger Services representatives on trains that are that late somewhere up the line (MSP, Winona, La Crosse) with the connecting passengers' the ongoing travel arrangements, hotel and cash vouchers etc. They would give each passenger their arrangements and explain it to them while enroute to Chicago . That way when they arrived in Chicago in the wee hours of the morning, all they would need to do is trade the cash vouchers for cash at the ticket office and go on their way. That method made the best of a bad situation.

However, on this trip, no Passenger Services representatives came on board the train, and the conductor had not been given any information, other than the Michigan passengers would be bused (which turned out to be wrong). So a couple hundred people had to line up for like 3 passenger services agents upon our 4am arrival in Chicago. I was lucky in that I was on the sleeper, which was spotted close to the station, I knew the layout of CUS and where Passenger Services was, and made a beeline for it. So I was among the first through it, but by the time I got finished, there was a huge line-up of passengers. I don't know how long some of them waited, but it wasn't a good situation at 4am. Plus, I overheard one of the passenger services representative saying to one of the Michigan passengers "Bus? We don't have a bus" so what little information we did get turned out to be wrong.

I don't have any complaints about where Amtrak put us up (Hyatt Regency McCormick Place), although they also did not manage to order cabs, so a bunch of passengers were out on Canal Street at in freezing weather at 4:30 am with no cabs.. Luckily, a Chicago policeman saw it, and got cabs requested, and also hung around.

Ordinarily, when the delay is not Amtrak's fault, I don't launch a customer service complaint, no matter how bad the delay is. Amtrak can't do much about mudslides, fallen trees and CP's dispatching and I know it. However, they could have made the situation easier by following their up-until-now customary practice of handling the ongoing travel arrangements enroute, so I did register a complaint with Customer Service. They sent me a $125 travel voucher, which is great, I'll use it. As I said, I was lucky to be one of the first ones through, but I know it was no fun for the majority of passengers to queue up at 4am to find out what your fate is.

BTW-one thing that didn't change was that they brought out the Dinty Moore, per tradition. Although we in the sleepers got regular meals, as they had not served dinner coming out of Everett because we were so late, so they still had enough regular supplies for the sleeper passengers.
 
I also worry that Amtrak may have stopped dispatching customer service teams out to the trains. I had that experience once on a CZ that was five hours late. When we got to Chicago, we had our vouchers in hand, our hotel rooms reserved, and knew exactly what we needed to do to get cash for dinner, new train reservations, and everything else. Amtrak may have reduced the number of customer service personnel to reduce costs, but that means the service people get on late trains is much less than it was before.
 
This past August when the CZ#6 hit the Cattle in McCook, Nebraska and we were 10 Hours Late into CHI, a Customer Service Crew came aboard in Burlington,IA but the Train was SOLD OUT and there were Hundreds of Passengers that needed to be Helped and even though they started with the Sleepers lots of us didnt get our turn as they went by Connection Order. (ie CL/LSL/Card/CONO/Michigan etc. and skipped the Texas Eagle! :angry: )

The Crew did an Excellent job of Feeding Everyone, Keeping us Informed etc. :) Our T&E Crew had gone Dead during the wait @ the Scene of the Slaughter so new Crew Members had to be Transported from OMA and one of the Conductors from #5 got off and took over our Train but we couldnt go anywhere until the Engineer and another Conductor arrived 4 Hours later!

When we arrived in CHI @1AM they Announced that we were to go to Customer Service and just like the OP, I knew where it was and we hustled through the Station to the Office and were the First to Arrive! A Very Nice Lady had our Cash Vouchers ready, gave us a Printed Info Sheet with our Hotel Info (Very Nice Courtyard by Marriot on State St.) and sent us over to the Ticket Counter to get our $$$ and Re-issued Tickets (we were on an AGR Award Trip in Roomettes)) for the next days Eagle in a Bedroom!!! :cool: We were then told to go upstairs and catch a Cab. There was an Amtrak Rep and one of Chicagos Finest Dispatching Cabs (I didnt see the Street Starters that are normally Hanging Out there! :giggle: )for the large throngs waiting on the sidewalk! I heard the Policeman say on his Phone that they needed 50 More Cabs ASAP! We hopped into a Cab and were @ the hotel by 2AM!!!

This was the best Customer Service Ive ever Experienced on Amtrak and for sure Notifed Amtrak with Kudoos for Everyone involved! After a Great Breakfast and Lunch, we caught the Texas Eagle the next day! An added Bonus was that the Eagle was on the Reroute through Amish Farmland in Central Illinois and we Missed Out on the Van through the Cornfields from Galesburg to Springfield! :giggle:

And without asking ,Customer Relations Called and told me that I would be receiving a Voucher for $200 for Future Travel! :)
 
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Was this a change or is it that there was no agent available to board the train and handle things i.e. a permanent or one-time problem?
Without additional data points we can't really tell. Hopefully others will chime in with recent experiences (though obviously it would be better if

no one found out, i.e. their trains are on time...but the reality is sooner or later there will be more severely late trains)
 
I am on the Silver Meteor right now and we are running 3 hours late. I will miss my connection in NYP to AE 2160. The conductor told me a customer service rep would be on the platform or up the escalator in WAS to help me re-book. No CR agent was either place. I phoned Amtrak and a phone agent swiftly and efficiently re-booked me on a later train to Boston, and I am still in FC. I had a positive experience. However, another passenger, in the same position, except he was booked in BC, was told by the phone agent that there would be an additional charge because 98 may make it into NYP before 1. Last time I saw him, he was on hold with CR. Hopefully his issue was resolved since we clearly will not arrive in NYP before 1pm.
 
I am on the Silver Meteor right now and we are running 3 hours late. I will miss my connection in NYP to AE 2160. The conductor told me a customer service rep would be on the platform or up the escalator in WAS to help me re-book. No CR agent was either place. I phoned Amtrak and a phone agent swiftly and efficiently re-booked me on a later train to Boston, and I am still in FC. I had a positive experience. However, another passenger, in the same position, except he was booked in BC, was told by the phone agent that there would be an additional charge because 98 may make it into NYP before 1. Last time I saw him, he was on hold with CR. Hopefully his issue was resolved since we clearly will not arrive in NYP before 1pm.
How frustrating. So did they have you detrain in WAS instead of NYP?

On my late meteor back in November they made me ride all the way up to NYP and wouldn't let me detrain in WAS. I don't know if my problem was complicated by the fact that I had two reservations, since my meteor trip was an AGR award and my transfer in NYP was on a black out date so I just booked coach tix from NYP - NHV. But I did have to pay the fare differential between my original trip and the one I took - which was $80.
 
Was this a change or is it that there was no agent available to board the train and handle things i.e. a permanent or one-time problem?
All I know is that I've been on badly late long distance trains before more than once and the standard operating procedure was to board passenger services agents at a station up the line. They'd set up in the lower level of the Sightseer and call passengers in by connecting train as described by JimHudson, and give us the package with the vouchers and tickets right there onboard. The only thing we had to do in Chicago was exchange the cash voucher for cash. As JimHudson pointed out, one thing that Amtrak has always done well, much better than the airlines, was how they supported misconnecting passengers.

The conductor didn't know why they did not do that and he was not happy about it, since he had no information and a couple hundred people bugging him. The Customer Services rep I talked to on the phone didn't know why either, but he also did not appear to know what the standard operating procedures were for severely late trains (other than throw a voucher at them).

This occurred during the Christmas travel season and the train was completely sold out, so there were a couple hundred people making connections. So light demand was no excuse. As I said, by the time I left, the line out of passenger services completely filled up the area outside Passenger Services by the escalators.

As to whether or not agents weren't available, to me that is not an excuse in this situation. The train was 6 hours late orignating, and 8 hours late out of Spokane. They had the the better part of 2 days notice to arrange personnel schedules as necessary to support their passengers on the Empire Builder.
 
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On my late meteor back in November they made me ride all the way up to NYP and wouldn't let me detrain in WAS. I don't know if my problem was complicated by the fact that I had two reservations, since my meteor trip was an AGR award and my transfer in NYP was on a black out date so I just booked coach tix from NYP - NHV. But I did have to pay the fare differential between my original trip and the one I took - which was $80.
I must be missing something. Why (and how) did they make you stay on the train? Also, why (and how) did they make you pay another fee after the fact? I didn't know they could force you to remain on the train or that they could hand you another bill after you had already paid.
 
On my late meteor back in November they made me ride all the way up to NYP and wouldn't let me detrain in WAS. I don't know if my problem was complicated by the fact that I had two reservations, since my meteor trip was an AGR award and my transfer in NYP was on a black out date so I just booked coach tix from NYP - NHV. But I did have to pay the fare differential between my original trip and the one I took - which was $80.
I must be missing something. Why (and how) did they make you stay on the train? Also, why (and how) did they make you pay another fee after the fact? I didn't know they could force you to remain on the train or that they could hand you another bill after you had already paid.
Her problems on this trip are in another thread somewhere. I think the train she wanted to switch to (which she had tickets for from NYP) was full in WAS so she could not switch to it there. And she had to take a later train out of NYP than she was originally booked on and pay the difference. This might have been a case of her making that judgement call before the Meteor was late getting into NYP and calling to switch her tickets while on the Meteor.
 
On my late meteor back in November they made me ride all the way up to NYP and wouldn't let me detrain in WAS. I don't know if my problem was complicated by the fact that I had two reservations, since my meteor trip was an AGR award and my transfer in NYP was on a black out date so I just booked coach tix from NYP - NHV. But I did have to pay the fare differential between my original trip and the one I took - which was $80.
I must be missing something. Why (and how) did they make you stay on the train? Also, why (and how) did they make you pay another fee after the fact? I didn't know they could force you to remain on the train or that they could hand you another bill after you had already paid.
Well, I was ticketed to NYP and not WAS. I was supposed to change in NYP to the 172 regional. When we arrived in WAS, the 172 was across the platform from us. I had tickets on the 172 from NYP - NHV, and the meteor from WAS - NYP. My SCA approached the conductor and asked if we could just board the 172 early, in WAS, that way we wouldn't miss our connection in NYP. 172 was sold out WAS - NYP, so that was a no-go.

Now, I did go ahead and change the tickets myself on the app. I did a "no-no" and actually was holding tickets for two consecutive regionals. The only reason I did this was because it was the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, and all of the later trains were already sold out between NYP - NHV. I didn't want to risk getting up to NYP, missing my train, and then getting stuck in NYP overnight. Remember that I also didn't book the tickets together on one reservation (the meteor to the regional) because I had an AGR bedroom award for the Meteor and then purchase my own ticket on the regional because the day of my coach reservation was an AGR black out date.

I am sure I could have kept my original tickets, missed the train, arrived in NYP and had my tickets switched without paying the fee. But then I risked there not being any seats available on a bunch of sold out trains. It was worth the $80 to me for the peace of mind. YMMV in that situation yourself. I have never pursued a refund for the difference since I figured I was the naughty one in booking multiple train reservations for the same day. (ie, I was holding two reservations for regionals from NYP - NHV on the same day, trains that left an hour apart).
 
I am on the Silver Meteor right now and we are running 3 hours late. I will miss my connection in NYP to AE 2160. The conductor told me a customer service rep would be on the platform or up the escalator in WAS to help me re-book. No CR agent was either place. I phoned Amtrak and a phone agent swiftly and efficiently re-booked me on a later train to Boston, and I am still in FC. I had a positive experience. However, another passenger, in the same position, except he was booked in BC, was told by the phone agent that there would be an additional charge because 98 may make it into NYP before 1. Last time I saw him, he was on hold with CR. Hopefully his issue was resolved since we clearly will not arrive in NYP before 1pm.
How frustrating. So did they have you detrain in WAS instead of NYP?

On my late meteor back in November they made me ride all the way up to NYP and wouldn't let me detrain in WAS. I don't know if my problem was complicated by the fact that I had two reservations, since my meteor trip was an AGR award and my transfer in NYP was on a black out date so I just booked coach tix from NYP - NHV. But I did have to pay the fare differential between my original trip and the one I took - which was $80.
No, I did not detrain in WAS. I detrained in NYP and received new ETickets in the CA. I am in FC on the Acela now eating a wheat berry salad and drinking a Sam Adams beer. I am looking out the window and there is SNOW!!! My AU friends with whom I was scheduled to travel are going to meet my train in BBY so I can get dinner with them and not worry about getting lost trying to find the hotel in cold dark Boston. Life is good. I am sooooooo fortunate to have good friends who look out after me.
 
:cool: That answers my PM Penny! Tell the Gang Hello in Cold, Dark Boston and wave to Dave as you blow thru KIN!!!

I'll sleep better tonight knowing you arent Lost riding "the MTA Forever 'Neath the Streets of Boston!!" :giggle:

BTW-Your Tablet has been Double Posting! Guess the WIFI has Bugs in it? :unsure:
 
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No, I did not detrain in WAS. I detrained in NYP and received new ETickets in the CA. I am in FC on the Acela now eating a wheat berry salad and drinking a Sam Adams beer. I am looking out the window and there is SNOW!!! My AU friends with whom I was scheduled to travel are going to meet my train in BBY so I can get dinner with them and not worry about getting lost trying to find the hotel in cold dark Boston. Life is good. I am sooooooo fortunate to have good friends who look out after me.
Penny that sounds lovely! Glad to hear you having a nice ride on the acela.
 
I'll sleep better tonight knowing you arent Lost riding "the MTA Forever 'Neath the Streets of Boston!!" :giggle:
Boston is MBTA, and there's still hope that she becomes "Charlie on the T"! :p She has to transfer and find her hotel alone. Most caught earlier trains.
Remember, when the song was written, in 1949, it was the MTA. The MBTA was created in 1964.
 
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