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On different trains, whether regional or long-distance, what's the difference between the following seatings?

Coachclass

First Class

Business Class

Reserved

Unreserved
 
Reserved vs unreserved - trains with reserved seating in theory sell no more tickets than should be available for a specific segment, because of multi trip books and special cases this is not a perfect system Some unreserved trains (buy ticket show up get on) are reserved during peak travel periods.

First class is an Acela car with meals and alcohol included with at seat service in an upgraded environment. It used to be how sleeper service was described.

Business class means about 10 (or more) different things depending on which train and which service, and may be the least consistent product definition. Acela coaches, split BC/café cars, amfleet 1 BC cars, sections of a superliner, regular Am 2 coaches, and if I remember, a BC section on the Talgos, and I'm sure other stuff I left out. Some services it gives lounge access, some it doesn't. Usually a comp non alcoholic beverage, newspapers are gone, in some places it gives you digital newspaper access.

If someone wants to expand or correct this, I'm pretty sure I left stuff out.
 
BC on the Wolverine still provides a newspaper. They used to put one on every seat, but now the cafe attendant comes through the car and offers one to everyone after boarding. I prefer that, as it (hopefully) doesn't waste a bunch of papers. They also use that opportunity to explain the free non-alcoholic beverage and unlimited coffee perk.
 
BC on the Wolverine still provides a newspaper. They used to put one on every seat, but now the cafe attendant comes through the car and offers one to everyone after boarding. I prefer that, as it (hopefully) doesn't waste a bunch of papers. They also use that opportunity to explain the free non-alcoholic beverage and unlimited coffee perk.
Same on the Pere Marquette. Actually the LSA I had a week ago, Drew, works the Wolverine too.
 
I should have said "where newspapers are gone" also, coaches on corridor or regional service are more likely to have higher density seating than coaches used on long distance. an example would be amfleet 1 vs amfleet 2,but some trains are mixed. State supported trains may or may not have certain features depending on what the state provides (like equipment) or what extras they wish to finance. Think California cars, Talgos, NCDOT, Amtrak operated, but not owned.
 
Unreserved = you buy a ticket and hope you get a seat; otherwise, you try the next train
No need to wait for the next train, at least on the unreserved section of the Keystone Corridor. If you don't get a seat, you are allowed to stand.
 
Unreserved = you buy a ticket and hope you get a seat; otherwise, you try the next train
No need to wait for the next train, at least on the unreserved section of the Keystone Corridor. If you don't get a seat, you are allowed to stand.
Same on Pacific Surfliner. I was on a packed spring break Surfliner trip and had to listen to a lady standing in the aisle shout "This is not safe. This is not right" all the way to Anaheim.
 
Unreserved = you buy a ticket and hope you get a seat; otherwise, you try the next train
No need to wait for the next train, at least on the unreserved section of the Keystone Corridor. If you don't get a seat, you are allowed to stand.
Same on Pacific Surfliner. I was on a packed spring break Surfliner trip and had to listen to a lady standing in the aisle shout "This is not safe. This is not right" all the way to Anaheim.
Good thing no one told her about the roof seating. :p
 
Coach Class -

All Long Distance Trains are either Amfleet II or Superliner Coaches which both have -

2 x 2 seating, lots of leg room, leg rest, foot rest, tray table, curtains on the window, and good seat pitch when fully reclined.

NE Corridor Trains -

North East Corridor "Regional", Downeaster, Carolinian, Pennsylvanian, Palmetto, Keystone, Empire, etc.

Amfleet I Coaches with the small windows, no curtains on the windows, very little leg room and seat pitch (compared to Amfleet II). No leg rest. No foot rest. (I don't think???). The seats, other than pitch, resemble the Long Distance seats, quite comfortable.

*note - a few Amfleet II's are used on the longer trains such as Penn, and Carolinian.

Chicago Corridor Trains -

(Chicago to St. Louis, St. Louis to Kansas City, Michigan, Hiawatha, etc.)

Same as NE Corridor, but also will see alot of Horizon Cars. About the same as the Amfleet I comfort wise, no automatic doors for the high platforms, windows slightly larger. Cosmetically the cars are flat boxed and not round like the Amfleet.

Some trains will operate with standard Superliner Coaches.

Cascades Corridor Trains -

(Portland - Seattle - Vancouver)

State owned Talgo equipment. Talgo trains are European, articulated sets. Much smaller cars than most American built. They tilt, so they can go faster through curves (you can watch the speed signs to see how much faster... sometimes Passenger are listed at say 65 but Talgo can do 79). The cars ride very nice, and are quite comfy. Business Class has 2x1 seating. All cars have video monitors, automatic sliding glass doors in between cars. Automatic platform doors (the cars are very low). Digital Car Number signs.

Pacific Surfliner -

(Los Angeles - San Diego, etc. )

Surfliner Cars. Double decker, similar to superliners but with a "straight" staircase instead of the spiral. Seats less plush than most amtrak coaches but still have a minimal recline, windows have curtains, foot rest. Two automatic doors on lower level.

*NOTE* A Standard Superliner Coach is often mixed in to Surfliner Trainsets*

San Joquin

(Sacramento - Bakersfield - Bay Area, etc.)

State owned Californian cars, very similar to Surfliner cars.

Also some new single level train sets with rebuilt NJ Transit cars, the cars resemble the Amtrak Horizon Coaches.

Piedmont

(Charlotte - Raleigh NC)

State owned single level cars, these are "heritage cars" from the UP and KCS (maybe others too). They are, in my opinion, the most comfortable coaches in the Amtrak system. Even more comfortable than Amfleet II. Decent leg room, foot rest, decent pitch (The leg room and pith are probably not as sizable as Amfleet II but the seat is just more comfy.) Also large windows, and each coach has a couple table booths on the end, so if you want to play a game, work on a laptop, or eat a snack, you can.

All Coach Passengers receive free bottled water, and free coffee.

Hoosier State

(Chicago to Indianapolis IN)

Iowa Pacific single level coaches. "Heritage Coaches" similar to the Piedmont train. Business Class offers seating in a dome car.

I hope that even begins to make sense... probably a few mistakes in there too.
 
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Chicago Corridor Trains -

(Chicago to St. Louis, St. Louis to Kansas City, Michigan, Hiawatha, etc.)

Same as NE Corridor, but also will see alot of Horizon Cars. About the same as the Amfleet I comfort wise, no automatic doors for the high platforms, windows slightly larger. Cosmetically the cars are flat boxed and not round like the Amfleet.
I think I'm probably wrong, but didn't some of the Michigan service switch to Superliners?
 
Empire Corridor used to be the same, until late 2005. Holiday and spring break trains were crazy to and from the colleges.
Same for the IL Zephyr back in the day. When I was in college in the 90s on the Friday and Saturday trains leaving Macomb for Chicago right before a school break they could be so full that there would be people sitting on their bags in the middle of the aisle for pretty much the whole length of the train. I quickly learned to wait until Sunday or Monday to go home.
 
Chicago Corridor Trains -

(Chicago to St. Louis, St. Louis to Kansas City, Michigan, Hiawatha, etc.)

Same as NE Corridor, but also will see alot of Horizon Cars. About the same as the Amfleet I comfort wise, no automatic doors for the high platforms, windows slightly larger. Cosmetically the cars are flat boxed and not round like the Amfleet.
I think I'm probably wrong, but didn't some of the Michigan service switch to Superliners?
Only the Pere Marquette on a regular basis.
 
Coach Class -

All Long Distance Trains are either Amfleet II or Superliner Coaches which both have -

2 x 2 seating, lots of leg room, leg rest, foot rest, tray table, curtains on the window, and good seat pitch when fully reclined.

NE Corridor Trains -

North East Corridor "Regional", Downeaster, Carolinian, Pennsylvanian, Palmetto, Keystone, Empire, etc.

Amfleet I Coaches with the small windows, no curtains on the windows, very little leg room and seat pitch (compared to Amfleet II). No leg rest. No foot rest. (I don't think???). The seats, other than pitch, resemble the Long Distance seats, quite comfortable.

*note - a few Amfleet II's are used on the longer trains such as Penn, and Carolinian.

Chicago Corridor Trains -

(Chicago to St. Louis, St. Louis to Kansas City, Michigan, Hiawatha, etc.)

Same as NE Corridor, but also will see alot of Horizon Cars. About the same as the Amfleet I comfort wise, no automatic doors for the high platforms, windows slightly larger. Cosmetically the cars are flat boxed and not round like the Amfleet.

Cascades Corridor Trains -

(Portland - Seattle - Vancouver)

State owned Talgo equipment. Talgo trains are European, articulated sets. Much smaller cars than most American built. They tilt, so they can go faster through curves (you can watch the speed signs to see how much faster... sometimes Passenger are listed at say 65 but Talgo can do 79). The cars ride very nice, and are quite comfy. Business Class has 2x1 seating. All cars have video monitors, automatic sliding glass doors in between cars. Automatic platform doors (the cars are very low). Digital Car Number signs.

Pacific Surfliner -

(Los Angeles - San Diego, etc. )

State owned Surfliner Cars. Double decker, similar to superliners but with a "straight" staircase instead of the spiral. Commuter style seating, no curtains, minimal recline, foot rest. Two automatic doors on lower level.

San Joquin

(Sacramento - Bakersfield - Bay Area, etc.)

State owned Californian cars, very similar to Surfliner cars.

Also some new single level train sets with rebuilt NJ Transit cars, the cars resemble the Amtrak Horizon Coaches.

Piedmont

(Charlotte - Raleigh NC)

State owned single level cars, these are "heritage cars" from the UP and KCS (maybe others too). They are, in my opinion, the most comfortable coaches in the Amtrak system. Even more comfortable than Amfleet II. Decent leg room, foot rest, decent pitch (The leg room and pith are probably not as sizable as Amfleet II but the seat is just more comfy.) Also large windows, and each coach has a couple table booths on the end, so if you want to play a game, work on a laptop, or eat a snack, you can.

Hoosier State

(Chicago to Indianapolis IN)

Iowa Pacific single level coaches. "Heritage Coaches" similar to the Piedmont train. Business Class offers seating in a dome car.

I hope that even begins to make sense... probably a few mistakes in there too.
The Surfliner cars on the Pacific Surfliner are Amtrak owned. All seats have curtains. The seats are definitely not commuter style seating. They are for sure not as plush as the LD fleet but also nothing like what you get on commuter rails such as Coaster and Metrolink.
 
See... I knew there would be a few mistakes! I'll edit.

You are correct about "commuter style" - Im not sure why I used that term. they are the most commuter like in the Amtrak fleet though. The Amfleet I seats are just as comfortable to me as the LD seats, just less leg room and less seat pitch.
 
Actually.. from what I can tell Surfliner Cars are owned by both Amtrak and the state. Anyone have more info?

Perhaps Amtrak bought them all now?
 
Actually.. from what I can tell Surfliner Cars are owned by both Amtrak and the state. Anyone have more info?

Perhaps Amtrak bought them all now?
I was thinking that California was wanting to buy all of them, as they don't seem to like paying Amtrak for cars.
 
Superliners are used on the Michigan trains in the wintertime. This is due to the vestibules clogging up with snow.
 
Unreserved = you buy a ticket and hope you get a seat; otherwise, you try the next train
No need to wait for the next train, at least on the unreserved section of the Keystone Corridor. If you don't get a seat, you are allowed to stand.
Ah, just like the Good Old Days on the NEC!
I remember a trip in the summer of 1975 when I was heading to NYP to visit my girlfriend when I was stuck in SRO conditions. Then two very hot young ladies about my age invited me to share their seat. That was when I was a skinny college kid, and three of us fit very well in 2 seats :) . We had a great time talking, and it turned out that one of the girls was the daughter of a guy involved in the Watergate affair. Too bad I was on. the way to visit my girlfriend. :) But aside from being a loyal guy, my girlfriend was as hot as those 2 girls, so I didn't bother trying to get their phone number
 
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Actually.. from what I can tell Surfliner Cars are owned by both Amtrak and the state. Anyone have more info?

Perhaps Amtrak bought them all now?
The ones used up in the Bay Area are owned by the State. Surfliner cars in SoCal on the Pacific Surfliner are Amtrak owned.
I have seen no source on this... the only source I've found (was a link from wiki.. not crazy reliable) said Amtrak and California both ordered cars.

Totally possible that Amtrak now owns all the cars. Would be interested if anyone has more info.
 
When I rode Hoosier State early on, Coach Passengers all got 1 free coffee. I'm not sure if this is still policy or not. Was served at seat. Anyone been on it recently in coach?

Also, I added one service note... on the Piedmont Trains in NC, passengers receive free bottled water and free coffee. I think that nominates the Piedmont Trains for best Coach Service (the comfy seats of the heritage cars help!).
 
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