Actually, unless I'm catching a train, I don't usually hang around Penn Station. If I want to watch trains I go to Jamaica where I can actually see them coming and going.Those people are either from Louisiana or Woodside!!Go hang around NYP for just a couple of hours... h34r:My trips seem absolutely peaceful compared to some of y'all. I don't like sitting next to strangers without so much as an armrest between us for twelve hours (what were they thinking?) but I can't remember the last time I saw an unleashed dog or crazy pissed-off wife swearing up a storm.