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hello. so next summer or the one after we are planning 9 weeks to see america on the trains. (flying, we dont see as much & driving, cant relax as much) We are from england.

starting in savanna, georgia. want to tie in the main tourist spots but also places that I supoose would be the "real america". only been to new york & florida before.

Places we plan on going.

Savannah

New Orleans

Memphis

St Louis

Kansas

Roswell

Las Vegas

Sanfran

L.A.

Salt Lake City

Chicago

any advice on the best way to do this would be great! Is that a good list?

also, can anyone reccomend any books on this subject or even better, some recent travel blogs.

many thanks!
 
hello. so next summer or the one after we are planning 9 weeks to see America on the trains.
Aloha

some of the best people to answer your question are on a train heading west. I leave from here in 2 hours and meet them tomorrow. Stand by good answer's coming soon

GG-1
 
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Dan,

I'm one of those people on the train headed west. So I don't have much time right now to write anything. However, I am going to move this topic over to our Amtrak forum for two reasons. One, it's not a trip report. Two, I expect that you'll get many more responses from our other memebers over here. :)
 
I am by no means an expert on Amtrak but here's the route I would take:

Starting in Savannah, take the Silver Star or Silver Meteor overnight to Washington D.C., where I would spend time seeing the many tourist attractions. Next, take the Crescent overnight to New Orleans, after which you would take the City of New Orleans to Chicago via Memphis. After your stay in Chicago, take the Texas Eagle, Lincoln Service, or Ann Rutledge to St. Louis, followed by the Ann Rutlege or Kansas City Mule to Kansas City. From there, I don't know where you want to go in Kansas, but from Garden City, Dodge City, Hutchinson, Newton, Topeka, or Lawrence, and from Kansas City, MO (Across the river from Kansas City, Kansas), you can catch the Southwest Chief, which you would take to Kingman, where (if it still exists) you can catch a thruway bus to Las Vegas, From Vegas, you can take a bus to LA, afetrwhich you take the Coast Starlight to San Francisco. Finally, you take the California Zephyr to Salt Lake City, and then on to Chicago, where you can take a train to your ultimate destination.

Hope this helps!
 
I am by no means an expert on Amtrak but here's the route I would take:
Starting in Savannah, take the Silver Star or Silver Meteor overnight to Washington D.C., where I would spend time seeing the many tourist attractions. Next, take the Crescent overnight to New Orleans, after which you would take the City of New Orleans to Chicago via Memphis. After your stay in Chicago, take the Texas Eagle, Lincoln Service, or Ann Rutledge to St. Louis, followed by the Ann Rutlege or Kansas City Mule to Kansas City. From there, I don't know where you want to go in Kansas, but from Garden City, Dodge City, Hutchinson, Newton, Topeka, or Lawrence, and from Kansas City, MO (Across the river from Kansas City, Kansas), you can catch the Southwest Chief, which you would take to Kingman, where (if it still exists) you can catch a thruway bus to Las Vegas, From Vegas, you can take a bus to LA, afetrwhich you take the Coast Starlight to San Francisco. Finally, you take the California Zephyr to Salt Lake City, and then on to Chicago, where you can take a train to your ultimate destination.

Hope this helps!
I'd go somewhat differently, but it's the same means to the end. Before I get into it, however, I don't know how familiar you are with Amtrak and its connection policies. A number of spots in the below suggested itinerary have connections between trains and Amtrak-chartered connection busses (sorry, some of it, like Vegas, is unavoidable, as there's no train service there). In each of the connections I list below, Amtrak guarantees that you'll make the connection. That means that if a train or bus is late and misses the connection, Amtrak will either put you up for a night in a hotel to catch the next day's service, rebook you on a later service, or provide alternative transportation (which is somewhat more rare).

So, my recommendation....

1). Start in Savannah and take one of the three Silver Services (Palmetto, Silver Star (the only one with a same-day connection), or Silver Meteor) to DC. If you plan to stay over in DC and are interested in seeing the southeast by train during daylight hours, the Palmetto is probably your best option, as it's a complete day train. I highly recommend reserving business class accommodations (as opposed to coach) for the long trip, however. They're comparable to first class seats on an airline with faux leather, free sodas and water, and a car attendant. Well worth it.

2). From DC, take either the Capitol Limited (fastest, but not entirely scenic) or the Cardinal (slow, but very, very scenic) to Chicago. Note that the Cardinal departs Washington only on Sundays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. I notice Washington isn't on your list, so if you plan on not stopping over in DC and would like to catch the Cardinal directly from the Florida train, note that you'll need to detrain from the Silver Star in Richmond, Virginia, catch a short 45 min bus connection to Charlottesville, and board the Cardinal there at 1:55 PM (and you'll still see the scenery, which is west of Charlottesville on the way to Chicago). If you plan to take the Capitol Limited to Chicago, just take the Silver Star all of the way to DC and change trains there.

3). From Chicago, head to Salt Lake City on the California Zephyr (this ensures prime hours for viewing the spectacular Glenwood Canyon and high desert in Colorado; going east (as referenced in AmtrakCrescent's itinerary) is risky as to whether the train will be on-time enough to see it all).

4). Visit Salt Lake City, then take the Zephyr (again) heading westbound to Emeryville, connecting to a bus to San Francisco.

5). From San Fran, head south to LA on the Coast Starlight (again, wonderful scenery if it's on-time).

6). Now, getting from LA to Vegas has a multitude of options, but unfortunately, none of them are rail. Amtrak has a number of bus connections straight from Los Angeles to Vegas, however, and I'd just take one of them (it's a little over a 5 hour ride on a tour bus, which I think is very do-able). Other options include renting a one-way car, catching a short plane trip, or going with another charter bus service other than Amtrak.

7). From Vegas, there is a 10:00 PM thruway bus connection from Vegas to Kingman, AZ (arrives 1:30 AM), which connects directly to the eastbound Southwest Chief at 2:03 AM. The Chief, while not quite as scenic as the Zephyr, Starlight, and Cardinal, has its own charm and is one of Amtrak's best trains in terms of on-time-performance.

8). When you say you want to visit kansas, I assume you mean Kansas City, which is a major stop for the Chief, arriving at 7:26 AM. Other Kansas stops include Garden City, Dodge City, Hutchinson, Topeka, Newton, and Lawrence. Regardless, you're going to want to end up in Kansas City at the end of your Kansas stop, which is where you'll want to board one of two Kansas City-St. Louis trains: the Ann Rutledge or the St. Louis Mule. The Rutledge leaves Kansas City at 12:30 PM and arrives in St. Louis at 6:25 PM (which is the train I'd suggest since delays are abundant on this route and you will want to arrive in St. Louis before bedtime, I'd imagine). The Mule leaves Kansas City at 4:30 PM and arrives in St. Louis at 10:25 PM.

9). From St. Louis, you're going to want to catch a connecting bus to Carbondale in order to catch the southbound City of New Orleans. The bus leaves St. Louis at 11:00 PM and arrives in Carbondale, IL at 1:00 AM. The City of New Orleans leaves Carbondale at 1:26 AM and arrives in Memphis at 6:27 AM.

10). You'll leave on the same train after visiting Memphis, arriving in New Orleans the same day at 3:32 PM.

Now, that pretty much covers all of the cities you list in one nice, big, circular route (sort of). Roswell's not on there, however, and that's because Amtrak doesn't serve that city with any sort of service, be it bus or train. Frankly (and I don't mean this in a bad way to any Roswell folks here), my understanding is that there isn't all that much to see in Roswell, at least not for making a major diversion. If you were to go to Roswell, my advice would be to catch a bus or drive from Vegas (3 hour trip), but that means you either need to drive back up north to catch the Chief, or drive south to catch the Texas Eagle/Sunset Limited out of El Paso Texas, which runs up to St. Louis. If you'd like more details on that version of the itinerary, let me know.

Hope that helps...

-Rafi
 
As you folks are from England, the American Southwest desert areas (like Las Vegas) in summer are going to be so hot that you will have trouble believing it. It will literally take your breath away. Las Vegas in Summer will literally seem like the inside of a furnace. Visiting there in early Spring or late Fall would make more sense. You have already visited in Florida (I don't know where in Florida, of course, and it is a VERY big, long State - driving from Pensacola Florida to Key West is close to 850 Miles!!), and I hope you have visited the Florida Keys, ESPECIALLY if you like to swim or snorkel or dive. My wife and I are heading down there this coming week for several days (we live near Orlando). While the air temperature is quite high during the day (upper 80's, F), the seawater temperature down there is now in the upper 80's, and it's like swimming in bathwater, it's so warm. In summer, New Orleans is also rather hot, but even so it is a wonderful place to visit. Unfortunately Sunset Limited no longer runs east of New Orleans, so unless it is restored on the east end of it's route, you can't get there very easily by train from Savannah, hence the suggestion to go North to Washington then take the Crescent to New Orleans. We did take Sunset from Orlando to New Orleans several years ago (before the hurricane truncation of the route) and had a wonderful time. I expect you will get more suggestions from some of our western members.
 
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wow! thank you so much for the replys! They are really helping, shaping and informing our trip. the reason we are going in summer is becuase we both work in schools and will have the summer off.

regarding kansas, what is there top do? I have hard tha it can be firly boring? is this true?

Also, any reccomendation for a comftorble budget for 2 people for 9 weeks?

this is great forum & you are all so freindly!
 
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what is the best way to get to yellowstone & devils tower in wyoming? I see there are not really any routes.
 
My answer to you would be to rent a car in Salt Lake City Utah or Grand Junction Colorado and drive up there to Yellowstone, after taking the Cal Zephyr from SF to Salt lake City or Grand Junction Col. Mapquest shows is as a 5 hr 30 min hr drive to Yellowstone from Salt Lake City,or 9 hrs from Grand Junction Col. The scenery on this road trip should be worth seeing,and by car you can stop and see whatever interests you. You would have to arrange for lodging in the Yellowstone area.

Other possibilites may include renting a car in Washington state,Idaho or Montana and driving to Yellowstone if you take the Empire Builder as part of your trip(Which I would consider a Must do if you are touring the US.) None of those possibilities is as short a drive as Salt Lake City,though.

As you can see,the US is a huge country!
 
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"regarding kansas, what is there to do? I have hard that it can be fairly boring? is this true?"

I would say it`s true,no offense to anyone here from Kansas.

Also the Main Kansas City is actually in Missouri.

As for Roswell,I agree it`s over-hyped,although Santa Fe New Mexico is worth visiting in my opinion.

Also,if you are interested in Museums (Smithsonion),Air and Space Museum Etc, and seeing things like our White House,Capital Building,you need to do Wash DC. I found staying outside of DC and taking the commuter train in is a good way to do DC.

Also I would suggest incorporating the pacific Northwest into your trip,IE Empire Builder (Chicago to Seattle) if possible,as the scenery out there is fantastic.
 
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Good thing you have a year to plan your trip. I assume you already have a guidebook & a map to see what you want to. Next item will be an Amtrak Timetable & Trip Planner to see if you can fit it all in.

The TimeTable & Calendar should help you plan on each segment of the trip. The Travel Planner should take you to Grey Line tours for each city you want to visit. You can get some excellent tours designed for travelers with no car. They offer several Day Trips to cover the important locations & some side trips to other areas of interest. You cantry searching for the tour bureau for your stopover city.

For fares, check out the USA Rail Pass. Amtrak may have a plan to fit your schedule.

From Savanna, GA, you could head for Washington DC or New York City.

From there, head West to Chicago. (Lake Shore Limited,Cardinal,Capitol)

Then you have a choice of Seattle via the Empire Builder or San Francisco via the Zephyr

Coast Starlight connects Seattle or SF with LA.

Now you have a choice of Chief back to Kansas City/Chicago, or Eagle to Texas/St louis.

You will need City of New Orleans to connect Chicago-Memplis-New Orleans

You could ride the Sunset LA-NO.

Crescent connects NO back to Washington

Capitol/Cardinal connects Chicago to Washington

Back on silver Meteor to Savannah.

Not sure how flexible you can be in getting flights over the Atlantic. THat opens up more options depending when you need to be in Savanna??
 
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