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I didn't create our economic system, but I'd be a fool not to maximize my benefit from it, while obeying the rules as written. If the rules change, so will my behavior.
If you don't see a moral component to your decisions or if you equate "legal" with "ethical" then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind.

I'd be a hypocrite to be utterly opposed to them...in a sense, I got bailed out, since the Bank of America stock my family owned and that I tried to convince them to sell in the summer of '08 at something like $35 a share (and on one or two occasions before, albeit with a bit less conviction) on the principle of diversification alone would have likely become worthless paper in such a crisis.
That's the horrible beauty of what we've created. We now have a shrinking middle class that depends greatly on some of the least ethical companies to keep funding what's left of our leisure activities and our retirement. If we speak out chances are nothing will change, but even if it did the result would hurt us even more than it would ever hurt them!

As for the bailouts, well, most of the banks at this point have paid them back. I think that the real people we have to blame for that would be the wizards of wall street who came up with mortgage backed securities and the rating agencies who gave the securities AAA ratings. And the government that allowed deregulation in the financial market.
That depends on how you look at it. Many of the assets our government now possess in return for the bailouts are of disputable value and questionable liquidity so I don't know how we can determine how much as truly been paid back at this point. Another problem I have with this whole bailout process is that we are still left with banks that are "too big to fail" and growing ever larger. I wasn't any happier about the Savings & Loan bailout in the 1980's or the Dot Com bust in the 1990's but at least the dot com companies lost their businesses and some of the S&L executives went to jail in the process. This time almost everyone who helped create this mess got to keep whatever they managed to grab during the boom cycle and managed to avoid the pain of the bust cycle the rest of us are still suffering from. The fear of serious repercussions and regulations is long gone and the vast majority of the pain was easily dumped on a citizenry who are either too naive or too cynical or too busy working for their next paycheck to connect the dots. Few if any folks at the top of the food chain paid any serious price for all the havoc they wrecked upon our economy. What's to keep them from starting yet another market crippling boom/bust cycle all over again now that they see we're no longer capable of punishing them when they screw up?

That's interesting, since I do everything with USAA and consider them to be "the good guys" (and it probably isn't too hard to figure out my opinion of Governor Perry). So I did some looking into it and found this: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/17/perry-raises-17-2-million-in-campaign-contributions-not-all-good/ Which seems to suggest that the money hasn't come from USAA proper, but that employees donating their own money (which I don't really have a problem with). Is there more to it than that? Genuinely inquisitive here, as I'd be really disappointed to find out that my money was going to support this ********. Sorry for the OT derail, but this is the first that I've heard of this.
From what I understand the United Services Automobile Associate Employee Political Action Committee has reported donations totaling hundreds of thousands of dollars to Rick Perry alone and millions more spent elsewhere. To be completely honest I do not know how much money USAA itself may or may not have donated indirectly or laundered through various methods and groups. In theory all of this stuff is supposed to be reported in public filings. Unfortunately the investigative arm of the IRS has seen lots of budget cuts over the years and does not appear to spend much effort going after companies or groups who simply choose to obscure or withhold such information on their own. In addition, after the Citizen's United ruling many of the former restrictions that originally spurred the creation of PAC's have been lifted. As a result it's likely that USAA itself will begin bankrolling more political causes whether it's actively reported or not. But even if they don't they're still doing a great job routinely soliciting and bundling donations from their huge pool of employees. Remember, USAA is based right here in San Antonio and they are huge. In fact they are located on a campus that includes a single building with more floor space than the Pentagon. This is no small outfit and their money does the same amount of harm no matter if it comes from a single huge donation or thousands of smaller donations.

So it's the employees you are against - and not the bank! So I should not do business with USAA, Ford, AT&T, Boeing, National Grid, Ma & Pa's local store, etc... etc... - because some of their employees may have contributed to a politician or cause I disagree with!
You are by far the most intentionally confused person I've ever met. The only part I don't understand is why you keep replying to me. What more can I say that you won't do your best to twist into something else?
 
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Hi, I'm wondering if you can help me to think of a way getting 60k-90K Amtrak points FAST!

I know if you open an Master Card, you get 10K, but that's not enough and I am not a big spender.

Therefore, I'm wondering if anyone could point me to the direction of getting 60-90K
Quite a discussion you've started here, huh?

The fastest way may not yet have been mentioned: a friend with tons of UA or CO miles who can transfer what you need to Amtrak points for your use.

If you're doing this alone, Chase Sapphire is the way to go. But the points may not arrive fast enough to use.

Frankly, you may be best off purchasing the travel you'd like to get with points...
 
As for the bailouts, well, most of the banks at this point have paid them back. I think that the real people we have to blame for that would be the wizards of wall street who came up with mortgage backed securities and the rating agencies who gave the securities AAA ratings. And the government that allowed deregulation in the financial market.
That depends on how you look at it. Many of the assets our government now possess in return for the bailouts are of disputable value and questionable liquidity so I don't know how we can determine how much as truly been paid back at this point. Another problem I have with this whole bailout process is that we are still left with banks that are "too big to fail" and growing ever larger. I wasn't any happier about the Savings & Loan bailout in the 1980's or the Dot Com bust in the 1990's but at least the dot com companies lost their businesses and some of the S&L executives went to jail in the process. This time almost everyone who helped create this mess got to keep whatever they managed to grab during the boom cycle and managed to avoid the pain of the bust cycle the rest of us are still suffering from. The fear of serious repercussions and regulations is long gone and the vast majority of the pain was easily dumped on a citizenry who are either too naive or too cynical or too busy working for their next paycheck to connect the dots. Few if any folks at the top of the food chain paid any serious price for all the havoc they wrecked upon our economy. What's to keep them from starting yet another market crippling boom/bust cycle all over again now that they see we're no longer capable of punishing them when they screw up?
THIS!!!! Most people still don't understand this. They know something is wrong, but they don't know what is wrong. It is no longer capitalism, it is theft condoned, aided, and abetted, by our supposedly representative government.
 
What I don't get is debit cards. If you can get a credit card, why would you spend your money (probably without any rewards) rather than someone else's?
That is a question that has been bothering me for some time. Might the answer be that with a debit card you cannot spend more than you have & run yourself into debt?
 
What I don't get is debit cards. If you can get a credit card, why would you spend your money (probably without any rewards) rather than someone else's?
That is a question that has been bothering me for some time. Might the answer be that with a debit card you cannot spend more than you have & run yourself into debt?
That's the explanation I've gotten from debit card-using friends. Another reason is that it's now harder for many people to get credit cards.

Plus, let's remember that many people think that frequent-traveler programs are a waste of time.
 
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What I don't get is debit cards. If you can get a credit card, why would you spend your money (probably without any rewards) rather than someone else's?
That is a question that has been bothering me for some time. Might the answer be that with a debit card you cannot spend more than you have & run yourself into debt?
If you're signed-up with overdraft protection, that's certainly not the case.
If you have to use a debit card to tell you that you're out of money, then you weren't keeping track of it in the first place. Should you be that financially unskilled, it's time to back all the way up to cash.
 
Another reason is that it's now harder for many people to get credit cards.
Plus, let's remember that many people think that frequent-traveler programs are a waste of time.
Everyone can get a credit card. It's just that these people don't qualify for the cards that they want.
Plus, let's remember that there are rewards other than loyalty programs.
 
Plus, let's remember that many people think that frequent-traveler programs are a waste of time.
I did too as there was no way I was ever going to use any kind of frequent flyer miles. I did use a card that gave credit at amazon and still do use that some. BUT, since I got the AGR credit card with 12K points, I have been putting most purchases on it rather than the amazon card. I am trying to get a 2 zone trip to Chicago and back. So thanks to this board it will be cheaper for me..altho I will have a bit fewer of those free books, etc that I got at amazon.

Dan
 
I am trying to get a 2 zone trip to Chicago and back. So thanks to this board it will be cheaper for me..altho I will have a bit fewer of those free books, etc that I got at amazon.
A few free books or a free 2 zone room round trip - which would I rather have?
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I did use a card that gave credit at amazon and still do use that some. BUT, since I got the AGR credit card with 12K points, I have been putting most purchases on it rather than the amazon card. I am trying to get a 2 zone trip to Chicago and back. So thanks to this board it will be cheaper for me..altho I will have a bit fewer of those free books, etc that I got at amazon.

Dan
If you have a Kindle, or some other ebook reader (and as an avid reader, if you don't, you should), you can probably download ebooks from your local library system and have plenty of free reading for your free trip to Chicago. FREE: my second-favorite word in the English language (I'm not telling what my favorite word is). ;)
 
Actually, I think anyone can probably get a card...for certain values of "get a card" (i.e. Minors being put on their parents' cards, people getting cards with 72% interest, etc.).
 
The above is true, but not for the AGR MasterCard, or some other card that you can transfer points to AGR. For those, you also need a good credit rating. You will be denied if your credit rating is 450 (the lowest IIRC)!
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Anyone under the age of 18 for starters.
Even minors can get secured credit cards.
As I said earlier, anyone can get a credit card. Anyone complaining that they can't simply can't get a card that they want.
 
I will avoid the politics of dealing with Chase but will agree that billions of our tax money shouldn't be used to bail out private industry when they fail. Having said that; using a credit card in this day and age is just about unavoidable. I guess it just might as well be Chase that is but one in the club of theives. At least I can get some rail points out of it. Best way to rack up points in a hurry is to shop through the AGR Shopping Portal.Some merchants will give you 4-6 points per dollar spent. Just a couple of months ago, we purchased a washer and dryer from Home Depot that offered 4 points per dollar spent. I didn't get the points so far but when I finally call these azzhats I hope to receive 4000 points plus the standard dollar per point that Chase gives.
 
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