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I have a DVD on the CZ from the early '90's and it talks about it being the CZ, Desert Wind and Pioneer. I know two of the three are gone, but what is the longest consist at Amtrak and how many cars? And then what is the consist?
 
Probably the Coast Starlight,

P42

P42

Baggage

Trans Dorm

3 Sleepers

Parlour

Diner

Lounge

4 Coaches

So 14 Cars if you include the locos. Thats of course the summer consist. Winter has one less sleeper and one less coach.

The Empire Builder is pretty long too, with

3 P42's, sometimes 4

Baggage

Trans Dorm

2 Sleepers

Diner

2 Coaches

Lounge

2 Coaches

Sleeper

So thats also 14 cars including the locos. The last two times I rode the Builder there were 4 locos. I'm guessing one was a deadhead.
 
I don't know the specific consist but I think the Auto Train is the winner in terms of the overall number of cars.
 
I don't know the specific consist but I think the Auto Train is the winner in terms of the overall number of cars.
Oh yes, totally forgot about the Auto Train. That pretty much takes the cake.
Yep.

4 (ish) coaches, Coach diner, Coach lounge, 6 sleepers, sleeper diner, sleeper lounge = 14 and that's before you add in the power and the autoracks.

Edit for math fail.
 
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Probably the Coast Starlight,
P42

P42

Baggage

Trans Dorm

3 Sleepers

Parlour

Diner

Lounge

4 Coaches

So 14 Cars if you include the locos. Thats of course the summer consist. Winter has one less sleeper and one less coach.

The Empire Builder is pretty long too, with

3 P42's, sometimes 4

Baggage

Trans Dorm

2 Sleepers

Diner

2 Coaches

Lounge

2 Coaches

Sleeper

So thats also 14 cars including the locos. The last two times I rode the Builder there were 4 locos. I'm guessing one was a deadhead.
When do they switch to the summer consist on the CS?
 
The Pennsylvanian and Three Rivers used to rival the Auto Train, back when they were followed by a dozen or more express cars and Road Railers. Of course those days are long gone, but going around Horseshoe Curve and being able to look back and see all those cars was pretty cool. (It must be an amazing view to look backwards from the cab of a 100 car freight going around Horseshoe Curve, but I've never seen a photograph taken from that angle!)

The Builder is certainly impressive at 14 cars, but I'm still easily awed by the Crescent (anywhere from 9 to 11 cars). I know it's half the length of what it was forty years ago, but it's still impressive to me. Maybe it's the variety of car types. They don't match the way Superliners do, so it makes the train "more exciting" somehow, even though it's a little shorter.

2730334855_7b32bed33a.jpg


(Yes, it must be the variety, come to think of it. I get similarly excited when I see SEPTA consists with a mixture of SIIs, SIIIs, and SIVs, or of ex-PRR and ex-RDG together :) )
 
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I don't know the specific consist but I think the Auto Train is the winner in terms of the overall number of cars.
Oh yes, totally forgot about the Auto Train. That pretty much takes the cake.
Yep.

4 (ish) coaches, Coach diner, Coach lounge, 6 sleepers, sleeper diner, sleeper lounge = 14 and that's before you add in the power and the autoracks.

Edit for math fail.
I'd argue that point. Generally the Northbound consist is:

Transition Sleeper

Sleeper

Sleeper

Deluxe Sleeper

Lounge

Diner

Deluxe Sleeper

Sleeper

Sleeper

Coach

Coach

Coach

Coach

Lounge

Diner

Diner

That's 16 passenger cars by my count. Obviously you'll have a minimum of 20 carriers following that.

As a special you have the annual Safety Patrol Special, which is a normal Silver Service consist plus 6-8 coaches.

In recent history (2004) you have the Silver Service Super Train. IIRC that was:

Baggage Car

Dorm

Sleeper

Sleeper

Sleeper

Sleeper

Sleeper Diner

Coach Diner

Lounge

Coach

Coach

Coach

Coach

Coach

Coach

That'd be a 15 car train daily.
 
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They generally use the southernmost diner as a table car, with the kitchen working out of the northernmost coach diner. They have used the lounge in the past for table seating, but I think they have heard from the passengers that they'd like to have the full lounge for the duration of the trip. It is The Pride & Joy though, so nothing but the best.

 
Okay, so how about the SHORTEST Amtrak train?

The River Cities is gone, and that one had one Heritage coach east of St. Louis before connecting to the City of New Orleans.

Which are the shortest today? Any two-car trains?
 
Springfield Shuttles. Engine, MU Coach, Cab Car. Towards the end of its life the K-Card held the honor of the most ridiculous train. Two engines, one coach. Two engines were necessary because there was no wye in Louisville.
 
I'd argue that point. Generally the Northbound consist is:Transition Sleeper

Sleeper

Sleeper

Deluxe Sleeper

(...)
What is the difference between a "Deluxe Sleeper" and a "Sleeper"?
Just had the same question and started THIS thread
Keep in mind that bedrooms used to be called deluxe bedrooms. The roomettes used to be called economy rooms in the superliners . Calling that car a deluxe sleeper would then be because all the rooms at one time were called deluxe.
 
I'd argue that point. Generally the Northbound consist is:Transition Sleeper

Sleeper

Sleeper

Deluxe Sleeper

(...)
What is the difference between a "Deluxe Sleeper" and a "Sleeper"?
Just had the same question and started THIS thread
Keep in mind that bedrooms used to be called deluxe bedrooms. The roomettes used to be called economy rooms in the superliners . Calling that car a deluxe sleeper would then be because all the rooms at one time were called deluxe.
You are correct Bill. :)
 
They generally use the southernmost diner as a table car, with the kitchen working out of the northernmost coach diner. They have used the lounge in the past for table seating, but I think they have heard from the passengers that they'd like to have the full lounge for the duration of the trip. It is The Pride & Joy though, so nothing but the best.

The second coach diner is seasonal, when they add extra coaches for demmand, they add the second coach diner to handle the load. I've never seen them not seat in all diners, and cook in all diners. And at least as recently as 9 months ago, they were still seating people in 1/2 the lounge car for all meals. On the sleeper end they have no choice but to use the lounge seating, unless they've cut back to only 3 regular sleepers and the passenger load in the sleepers is down.
 
The Pennsylvanian and Three Rivers used to rival the Auto Train, back when they were followed by a dozen or more express cars and Road Railers. Of course those days are long gone, but going around Horseshoe Curve and being able to look back and see all those cars was pretty cool. (It must be an amazing view to look backwards from the cab of a 100 car freight going around Horseshoe Curve, but I've never seen a photograph taken from that angle!)
The Builder is certainly impressive at 14 cars, but I'm still easily awed by the Crescent (anywhere from 9 to 11 cars). I know it's half the length of what it was forty years ago, but it's still impressive to me. Maybe it's the variety of car types. They don't match the way Superliners do, so it makes the train "more exciting" somehow, even though it's a little shorter.

2730334855_7b32bed33a.jpg


(Yes, it must be the variety, come to think of it. I get similarly excited when I see SEPTA consists with a mixture of SIIs, SIIIs, and SIVs, or of ex-PRR and ex-RDG together :) )

100 cars!! What kind of speed could you do with 100 cars? I think I may have seen up to 50 before years ago, but I don't think I ever saw 100! :p
 
They generally use the southernmost diner as a table car, with the kitchen working out of the northernmost coach diner. They have used the lounge in the past for table seating, but I think they have heard from the passengers that they'd like to have the full lounge for the duration of the trip. It is The Pride & Joy though, so nothing but the best.

That is one immense Amtrak train! I wish they all rolled like that- Great vid!
 
The second coach diner is seasonal, when they add extra coaches for demmand, they add the second coach diner to handle the load. I've never seen them not seat in all diners, and cook in all diners. And at least as recently as 9 months ago, they were still seating people in 1/2 the lounge car for all meals. On the sleeper end they have no choice but to use the lounge seating, unless they've cut back to only 3 regular sleepers and the passenger load in the sleepers is down.
I contest that. When I rode coach on the AutoTrain the second dining car was only used for seating. Also, I wouldn't glorify the crap they served me as being "cooked" or even "food".
 
They generally use the southernmost diner as a table car, with the kitchen working out of the northernmost coach diner. They have used the lounge in the past for table seating, but I think they have heard from the passengers that they'd like to have the full lounge for the duration of the trip. It is The Pride & Joy though, so nothing but the best.

Only need 2 P42's thought? Wow, I'm impressed.
 
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