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The other day I booked a train from NY to Philadelphia and had to walk quite a way down the platform at Moynihan to the waiting train. It was nowhere near the entrance from the escalator. The problem with the design is that there are two narrow platform passage ways along the platform where you are pass a wall on your right from something constructed in the middle of the platform, one was possibly another escalator and it is very scary if you have luggage to pass by there with the tracks close by on your left. Especially if you are not completely sure footed. I am going to have to pay for assistance next time. It is a poor design. I never had that issue at Penn Station. I take subways and busses and walk in NYC with luggage, but this was too difficult to navigate. Luckily someone helped with my main suitcase, but I was terrified.
Agree. I liked it at first but the more I use it the more apparent the design flaws become. The distance from the waiting hall to the trains is longer than the old one. In that sense the old station is much more functional. And that is saying a lot about the new station.
 
Agree. I liked it at first but the more I use it the more apparent the design flaws become. The distance from the waiting hall to the trains is longer than the old one. In that sense the old station is much more functional. And that is saying a lot about the new station.
There was really no alternative to the design, because tearing down Madison Square Garden and the office tower was just not an option. Of course the old station is more functional, because that's what it was built for. Moynihan is located in the old post office, and the access to the platforms is to where they used to have the mail cars when trains had mail cars. I personally don't find Moynihan to be too much of a problem. When I travel in a sleeper or and Acela (or northeast Regional business class) it's really not so important to be first on the platform, as the seats and rooms are pre assigned anyway. (The crowds and lines might be a good reason for Amtrak to start advance assignment of seats seats in coach, however.) Also, there's a perfectly good waiting area in the old Penn Station that can be used by ticketed Amtrak passengers if walking down the platform is too difficult. Plus there are redcaps who can help.
 
Agree. I liked it at first but the more I use it the more apparent the design flaws become. The distance from the waiting hall to the trains is longer than the old one. In that sense the old station is much more functional. And that is saying a lot about the new station.

Which is why the old place is still accessible - and if you prefer it by all means use it. The idea of Moynihan isn’t to replace Penn station it’s to provide some overflow as well as a nicer and more uplifting place for Amtrak passengers to wait/connect for those that are looking for that as that is a common complaint about Penn - and it accomplishes both goals. For those simply looking for the fastest path to the train - you don’t have to use it. For those in which a longer walk is a problem the old waiting area or red caps again are available. But most I’ve talked to at Moynihan are just happy to not be in the dungeon and have a nicer place to wait. For me I don’t really care about the extra walk - there are other stations which have an even longer walk that you can’t avoid by using a different access point - Washington Union station anyone? At the end of the day - it’s really not a big deal especially given the availability of red caps for those that need it. If the Penn waiting area eventually becomes unavailable for reconstruction - no big deal spot the trains a little more to the west on the platform and have all the red caps out of Moynihan.

To me the extra walk is worth the lounge, nicer facility, and some daylight. To others maybe not and that’s fine. And again you can have both - red caps are available and will get you down there before the masses so you have a better choice at seat.
 
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The distance from the waiting hall to the trains is longer than the old one. In that sense the old station is much more functional.
I wonder if it makes a difference which train you’re boarding. I remember when we took the Pennsylvanian that we just went down the steps and our train was there which was easier than running the gauntlet from the old waiting room.
 
Questions: Are Red Caps available at the old waiting room? Are there still an open ticket counter and TVM's at Penn?
I know they were at least at first…whether they still are I don’t know. They may still have Kiosks down there haven’t been down in a while - ticket counter definitely not - it’s Moynihan if you want a staffed ticket counter. In fact there are plans within Amtrak to repurpose the old ticket counter and ClubAcela spaces as leased retail. How this meshes with the larger redevelopment project I don’t know.
 
I wonder if it makes a difference which train you’re boarding. I remember when we took the Pennsylvanian that we just went down the steps and our train was there which was easier than running the gauntlet from the old waiting room.
Same thing with some Southbound Acelas, I've boarded several times straight from the Escalator onto my Train!
 
Why wouldn't all trains pull to the west end just short of of the exit block signal? There is one reason that goes way back and I have no idea if it still appplies The crew check in check out lounge was located at one time on the lower level of the old station between tracks 13 and 14 behind ttttthe desk just west of the concourse steps leading down to the track platforms. Maybe the engineers are stopping more at the middle of the platform instead of the west end so they have a closer walk to that crew lounge. If that lounge is still there then that may be the why some trains are not being stopped at the west end ????.
 
Same thing with some Southbound Acelas, I've boarded several times straight from the Escalator onto my Train!
Because the Moynihan escalators are at the extreme west end of the platform, and because all Acela first class cars are at the extreme west end of the train, Acela first class passengers will always find their car right at the bottom of the escalator.
 
Boarding question at Penn/Moynihan:

I am pretty familiar with Penn Station but not there frequently (only a few times a year).

I have upcoming travel on a Regional that originates at New York and would like to avoid the line at Moynihan. Do the escalators in the West End concourse, the old Amtrak concourse, or the LIRR level run down for a departing Amtrak train. What is best alternative boarding point. In my ignorance, I am leaning towards the West End Concourse, since I have a lounge pass and will likely be in Moynihan's Metopolitan Lounge.

Thanks!
 
Amtrak trains are announced and can be boarded in their upper level legacy location in Penn Station.

If trying to use a lower level concourse, such as West End, Central, LIRR, or NJT, all bets are off as to which way the escalators will run. Use regular stairs or find the elevators.

Departure monitors for Amtrak are in the Central (Arrival) concourse. I don't know about the West End. LIRR and NJT concourses do not post Amtrak.
 
Boarding question at Penn/Moynihan:

I am pretty familiar with Penn Station but not there frequently (only a few times a year).

I have upcoming travel on a Regional that originates at New York and would like to avoid the line at Moynihan. Do the escalators in the West End concourse, the old Amtrak concourse, or the LIRR level run down for a departing Amtrak train. What is best alternative boarding point. In my ignorance, I am leaning towards the West End Concourse, since I have a lounge pass and will likely be in Moynihan's Metopolitan Lounge.

Thanks!
Since you'll be in the Metro Lounge @ Moynihan, using a Red Cap( tell the Desk Clerk when you enter the Lounge) to board your Train ahead of the Thundering Herd is worth a $5 Tip.
 
I was thinking that the west end concourse was generically either manual stairs or elevator only trying to get down.

I am thinking about having to drag two + 50lb suitcases .8 miles and whether to do the stairs or elevator. I am guessing the west end concourse elevators are either up to Moynihan or down to the tracks, so it may fill up in Moynihan on the way down, so press up and down buttons and board on the way up, it fills, then ride down to tracks. Or, walk a little further east down the Connecting Concourse and use the Exit concourse or Central Concourse elevators (and check the escalator there too).

There is an escalator for sure on the NE corner of Moynihan to at least get to the concourse.
 
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If you are sitting near the exit and have no luggage, you may very well reach the west end concourse ahead of the upstairs lines. Trains are announced early but only a minute or two and you're crossing the entire station. OTOH, there will often be a wait for the rope to be removed whereas downstairs you can board immediately.

For me, it's either the lounge or beating the herd, not both (I only board at Moynihan when I have an assigned seat), but I recognize that for people not there often, the lounge is worth it.
 
I have an upcoming trip NYP - CHI on the LSL. As a solo traveler I'd prefer a window seat. It sounds like from the previous posts here, the best way to get a choice of seat might be to avoid the escalator line-up and to escort myself to the West End Concourse and the signage denoting Tracks 17-21, and finding the appropriate track from there.

A couple points of clarification. Is the West End Concourse in Moynihan itself, or is that referring to Penn Station? Second, am I going to miss any pertinent information like what car to board? Is that info given at the escalator or by OBS as you reach the train itself?
 
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I have an upcoming trip NYP - CHI on the LSL. As a solo traveler I'd prefer a window seat. It sounds like from the previous posts here, the best way to get a choice of seat might be to avoid the escalator line-up and to escort myself to the West End Concourse and the signage denoting Tracks 17-21, and finding the appropriate track from there.

A couple points of clarification. Is the West End Concourse in Moynihan itself, or is that referring to Penn Station? Second, am I going to miss any pertinent information like what car to board? Is that info given at the escalator or by OBS as you reach the train itself?
The West End Concourse and Moynihan are separate, though both are west of 8th Ave. I think the best description is it is between Penn and Moynihan. Physically it is pretty much underneath the Post Office steps fronting 8th Ave on the same level as the LIRR concourses. The West End concourse is accessible from Moynihan (and Penn) but is entirely separate from Moynihan's gates.

The Penn Station complex as a whole (Moynihan Train Hall, old Amtrak concourse, LIRR concourses, NJT concourse and West End concourse) is a maze.

The best way to get a choice seat is to get a Red Cap. Speaking if which, anyone know where the Red Cap podium is in Moynihan (if there is one)? I know where it was in Penn.
 
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One more thing about the Met Lounge:

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They have a bank of storage lockers (no locks) where you can stash your luggage. Behind this is a little TV lounge that has CNN blaring away. It's very nice. Those who really insist on watching CNN can have their fix, while the place is isolated form the main lounge so that the rest of us don't have to listen to it.
ive been in plenty of train, bus, plane lounges that had other tv networks on that i didnt like and i just dealt with it.
 
I appreciate the info about NYP/MTH. Can it be confirmed that I can buy a day pass for the Metropolitan Lounge for either $50 or 1500 Rewards points?

I’ll be arriving around 2AM this Saturday so I’ll find my way to the NYP side where I think there’s a 24/7 Dunkin. I hope there is seating??? MHT opens around 5AM and the ML at 7AM. My train, the Crescent is at 2PM. I’m loooking forward to my trip through the South and to three nights in NOLA ... then on to LA/CHI/DC/NYP/BOS/Maine
 
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I have an upcoming trip NYP - CHI on the LSL. As a solo traveler I'd prefer a window seat. It sounds like from the previous posts here, the best way to get a choice of seat might be to avoid the escalator line-up and to escort myself to the West End Concourse and the signage denoting Tracks 17-21, and finding the appropriate track from there.

A couple points of clarification. Is the West End Concourse in Moynihan itself, or is that referring to Penn Station? Second, am I going to miss any pertinent information like what car to board? Is that info given at the escalator or by OBS as you reach the train itself?
I view the West End Concourse as right beside and below, in a way. I suspect the problem for a coach non-Metro Lounge rider the problem is finding out early which track to go to and I don't know the answer to that? If you did want to try this, once you do know which track, I would suggest depending on how much luggage you have and whether you can navigate non-escalator stairs, heading to the escalator on the north-east side of Moynihan or the elevator 5&6 on the SE side. Go down one level to the West End Concourse. Then walk to the correct track and walk down one more flight of stairs and you are there. Or, if you have to take an elevator, go to the correct track elevator and push the up and down button, get on either going up or down and head down to the tracks. The idea being catch it going up in case there is a line in Moynihan to get on it you will have established your place on it already and ride it back down to the tracks.
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Speaking if which, anyone know where the Red Cap podium is in Moynihan (if there is one)? I know where it was in Penn.

The red caps work from a counter in the new coach passenger waiting area on the west side of the Moynihan concourse. If you request one at the Metropolitan Lounge, they get sent up from there.
 
I appreciate the info about NYP/MTH. Can it be confirmed that I can buy a day pass for the Metropolitan Lounge for either $50 or 1500 Rewards points?
The website says purchasing is limited to Business Class passengers:

Purchasing Day Passes​

Business Class passengers can buy day passes for the lounges at Philadelphia - William H Gray III 30th Street Station and Boston - South Station for $35 per day, or $50 per day at New York - Moynihan Train Hall.​
... but it looks like redeeming points is open to all:

Redeem Points for Lounge Passes​

Enhance your next trip with a visit to an Amtrak lounge. Redeem for a Single-Visit Lounge Pass for only 1,500 points.​
Each pass provides access at any Amtrak Metropolitan Lounge℠ or First Class lounge. Enjoy a refreshment or catch up on work at our lounges before your departure.​
 
ive been in plenty of train, bus, plane lounges that had other tv networks on that i didnt like and i just dealt with it.
I find the public TV, especially cable news, whatever the channel, to be annoying. The lounge in Washington has 2 TVs, one usually with CNN, the other with a variety of other channels, and they are placed so that you can't avoid hearing them wherever you sit. (There are a few exceptions.) Having to listen to annoying background noise sort of negates the advantage of being able to sit in in a first-class lounge. That's why I was pleasantly surprised the Moynihan Lounge has a separate TV viewing area, which leaves most of the rest of the lounge blessedly free of the TV distraction.
 
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