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Well I did say it was a few years away from being ready. All they have to do is lay about 110 miles of new track and force UP to use it. UP likes things just the way they are in the SAS- Austin corridor and they don't seem to want to have their track relocated. I think there is a real need for a commuter train here enventually enough money will be spent to get it done. Either TXDOT or Amtrak will end up running the thing.

Amtrak was formally brought in last year to do a study with TXDOT.
 
You see, that's where I think Amtrak has no business doing business. Let TxDOT design, build and operate an intrastate system - especially commuters. Leave Amtrak to LD work.
 
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You see, that's where I think Amtrak has no business doing business. Let TxDOT design, build and operate an intrastate system - especially commuters. Leave Amtrak to LD work.
Amtrak is interested in providing this kind of service, since it enhances the national system by prodiving feed-in trains. If Amtrak is going to operate the trains, they need to be involved in the design of the routes and be involved in every aspect of the whole scope of work.
 
You see, that's where I think Amtrak has no business doing business. Let TxDOT design, build and operate an intrastate system - especially commuters. Leave Amtrak to LD work.
Amtrak makes tons of money doing things like this, which they then pour into the national system. Let them keep on doing it.
 
You see, that's where I think Amtrak has no business doing business. Let TxDOT design, build and operate an intrastate system - especially commuters. Leave Amtrak to LD work.
Amtrak makes tons of money doing things like this, which they then pour into the national system. Let them keep on doing it.
Not to mention that Amtrak knows quite a bit more about trains than does TxDOT. Much better to have someone knowledgable about the subject at hand doing the study than someone with no experience.
 
You see, that's where I think Amtrak has no business doing business. Let TxDOT design, build and operate an intrastate system - especially commuters. Leave Amtrak to LD work.
Amtrak is interested in providing this kind of service, since it enhances the national system by prodiving feed-in trains. If Amtrak is going to operate the trains, they need to be involved in the design of the routes and be involved in every aspect of the whole scope of work.
This is how I see it, Amtrak's top priority should be the LD trains and the NEC. Those two meet the objective of providing national inter-city service, everything else tends to serve primarily one state. Everything else should not be included in the national system, the other trains should be paid for entirely by the state and local governments in which they operate.

The equipment should be purchased by the states or in the least be leased from Amtrak. All of these state services should carry the distinction that they are not Amtrak trains but trains that Amtrak operates by a contractual agreement. Under the agreement Amtrak would be responsible for every aspect of day-to-day operation of these trains with the distinction that Amtrak is not going to take a financial hit from these services. The contract should be based solely on Amtrak's cost and include a profit to Amtrak for performing this service to the states. All of the fares from these trains should go to the states, and the fares should help cover the cost of the contract with Amtrak. Under this agreement Amtrak would be guaranteed a profit for operating the services no matter how poorly they perform. By separating these trains from Amtrak's main line of business Amtrak would no longer be using locomotives and cars from its national pool to operate these trains, this would free up equipment and protect Amtrak from being unable to fully account for all of the costs involved in the state run services. If nothing else this system would give Amtrak a guaranteed to be profitable line of business.

I do believe if Amtrak wisely invested money into the LD trains and did a better job of keeping up with the costs of each individual train instead of lumping costs together, we would see the majority of the LD trains turn a profit. The NEC in its current state can't be profitable, the NEC infrastructure is worn out, outdated, and too expensive to maintain in its current state. Until the NEC is essentially rebuilt to replace all of the original 1930's era infrastructure it will never be profitable. If the NEC was turned into the modern state-of-the-art system it should be, it would most likely gush cash and make Amtrak profitable and capable of sustaining itself. Also another weakness of the NEC is inaccuracy in charging the 3rd party users of the corridor, usually these inaccuracies do not favor Amtrak and results in Amtrak covering more costs of the NEC than it should be responsible for.
 
By separating these trains from Amtrak's main line of business Amtrak would no longer be using locomotives and cars from its national pool to operate these trains, this would free up equipment and protect Amtrak from being unable to fully account for all of the costs involved in the state run services.
But one of the big benefits Amtrak can bring to the table is the single pool of equipment.

Instead of each division (state, line, whatever) having to maintain its own fleet of spares and, perhaps, facilities to repair and maintain the equipment, the single national pool would allow the entire fleet to operate more efficiently.

It would also encourage more standarization and commoditization.
 
By separating these trains from Amtrak's main line of business Amtrak would no longer be using locomotives and cars from its national pool to operate these trains, this would free up equipment and protect Amtrak from being unable to fully account for all of the costs involved in the state run services.
But one of the big benefits Amtrak can bring to the table is the single pool of equipment.

Instead of each division (state, line, whatever) having to maintain its own fleet of spares and, perhaps, facilities to repair and maintain the equipment, the single national pool would allow the entire fleet to operate more efficiently.

It would also encourage more standarization and commoditization.
Ooops, I forgot to include maintenance would be covered by Amtrak under the contract. I agree there should be a certain level of standardization, I was mainly thinking of the Amtrak California situation where Amtrak chose the basic design for the California cars and motive power and California DOT funded the order. If this was done in all state funded situations, it would keep all the benefits you would receive from Amtrak providing equipment. In addition it would remove the burden of Amtrak having to stretch its fleet anymore than it already is and would keep Amtrak from having to purchase equipment for services that might not last in the long-term.
 
You see, that's where I think Amtrak has no business doing business. Let TxDOT design, build and operate an intrastate system - especially commuters. Leave Amtrak to LD work.
Amtrak is interested in providing this kind of service, since it enhances the national system by prodiving feed-in trains. If Amtrak is going to operate the trains, they need to be involved in the design of the routes and be involved in every aspect of the whole scope of work.
This is how I see it, Amtrak's top priority should be the LD trains and the NEC. Those two meet the objective of providing national inter-city service, everything else tends to serve primarily one state. Everything else should not be included in the national system, the other trains should be paid for entirely by the state and local governments in which they operate.

The equipment should be purchased by the states or in the least be leased from Amtrak. All of these state services should carry the distinction that they are not Amtrak trains but trains that Amtrak operates by a contractual agreement. Under the agreement Amtrak would be responsible for every aspect of day-to-day operation of these trains with the distinction that Amtrak is not going to take a financial hit from these services. The contract should be based solely on Amtrak's cost and include a profit to Amtrak for performing this service to the states. All of the fares from these trains should go to the states, and the fares should help cover the cost of the contract with Amtrak. Under this agreement Amtrak would be guaranteed a profit for operating the services no matter how poorly they perform. By separating these trains from Amtrak's main line of business Amtrak would no longer be using locomotives and cars from its national pool to operate these trains, this would free up equipment and protect Amtrak from being unable to fully account for all of the costs involved in the state run services. If nothing else this system would give Amtrak a guaranteed to be profitable line of business.

I do believe if Amtrak wisely invested money into the LD trains and did a better job of keeping up with the costs of each individual train instead of lumping costs together, we would see the majority of the LD trains turn a profit. The NEC in its current state can't be profitable, the NEC infrastructure is worn out, outdated, and too expensive to maintain in its current state. Until the NEC is essentially rebuilt to replace all of the original 1930's era infrastructure it will never be profitable. If the NEC was turned into the modern state-of-the-art system it should be, it would most likely gush cash and make Amtrak profitable and capable of sustaining itself. Also another weakness of the NEC is inaccuracy in charging the 3rd party users of the corridor, usually these inaccuracies do not favor Amtrak and results in Amtrak covering more costs of the NEC than it should be responsible for.
Ah, but if the state is to use their pool of equipment, Amtrak either requires them to pay for the refurbishment of equipment, or requires them to provide their own- California and North Carolina's Piedmont, for examples. This can actually be a way to have states pay for things Amtrak benefits from. IF they don't have the equipment, someone else most provide it.
 
I'm in hopes that this is the first step to having a handful of daily services from DC to the south... time will tell
 
Well technically there's a whole bunch of Daily Services to the south. The question is just where we'll start to see more locations have multiple departures daily.
 
The Examiner today said this..."Richmond to DC- December 2009 start: one train will leave richmond at 7 am stopping at Ashland, Fredricksburg, Quantico, Woodbridge, and Alexandria until it ends at L'Enfant Plaza in the District. THe Afternoon train will leave make the reverse trip at 3:55 pm."

"Lynchburg to DC- October 2009 start: One train will leave Lynchburg at 7:38 am with stops in Charlottesville, Culpeper, Manassas, burke centre Alexandria, L'Enfant Plaza. Return train leaves DC at 4:50pm."
Sadly, the original time of early morning would have worked a lot better... maybe someone will realize this and change it? soon? *hint hint*wink wink*nudge nudge*

Sounds like a longer VRE train.
Me thinks not. The seating will be a little better considering its a THREE hour trip to CVS (three hour tour... three hour tour...sorry had to throw that in) and FOUR hour trip to LYH using corridor equipment, with a cafe car an maybe even a business car. Would you really want to ride the VRE for that long? That would be like riding CalTrain from San Fran to LA and them some! blech, gross! me thinks not.
We have a CVS on just about every corner down here... :lol:
I have a very prized possession in my shower: a bottle of CVS-branded shampoo bought from the CVS store in downtown CVS while I was on an extended layover in CVS! :lol:
 
I have a very prized possession in my shower: a bottle of CVS-branded shampoo bought from the CVS store in downtown CVS while I was on an extended layover in CVS! :lol:
The only moon left to align there is to use that shampoo WHILE showering in a Viewliner that is parked at CVS (the station, not the store)!!

Rafi
... showering in your Viewliner at CVS with CVS shampoo, while also working on your waterproof internet-connected laptop, on collaborative software development using CVS for document revision control :D :D
 
Just to bring this full circle, the new service IS NOW BOOKABLE on Amtrak.com as trains 171 (BOS-NYP-WAS-LYH Mo-Fr), 147 & 145 (SPG-NYP-WAS-LYH Sat & Sun respectively), 176 (LYH-WAS-NYP-BOS Mon-Fr), and 156 (LYH-WAS-NYP-SPG Sat-Sun). Yes, it's running from Springfield on weekends. Yes, it's odd. Connections to/from Boston on weekends and to/from SPG on weekdays will be loaded in Arrow this weekend if not sooner.

Have at it.

Rafi
 
Interesting! BC on the Regional to LYH from NYP around the 19th of Oct. is cheaper than Coach from NYP to LYH on the Crescent, by about $20 or so! Naturally Coach is much much cheaper on the Regional, less than half of what it is on the Crescent!

Looks like a quick weekend trip beckons! The arrival and departure from LYH are ideal for such.
 
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Why doesn't Amtrak and/or NC DOT route the Carolinian via Greensboro-Lynchburg-Washington? I know NC DOT funds the train and I'm sure they want to take care of passengers in eastern NC. But with another Piedmont soon to be added, it would seem that northeast passengers from Raleigh could connect at Greensboro. Wilson / RMT passengers of course have the Palmetto. The advantage (aside from a much more interesting route) is that it would save considerable time. The Crescent takes 6 hours Greensboro-WAS while the Carolinian takes 7.5 hours.
I think this is a fantastic idea. Where do I sign up to promote it? :D
 
I too think that'd be a great idea for the Carolinian. Mostly because from Charlotte it's only a hop, skip, and a jump down to Atlanta. Perhaps we could get a second daily train ATL-WAS/NYP that out of this...oh well, pipe dreams (and read my sig :p )
 
Why doesn't Amtrak and/or NC DOT route the Carolinian via Greensboro-Lynchburg-Washington? I know NC DOT funds the train and I'm sure they want to take care of passengers in eastern NC. But with another Piedmont soon to be added, it would seem that northeast passengers from Raleigh could connect at Greensboro. Wilson / RMT passengers of course have the Palmetto. The advantage (aside from a much more interesting route) is that it would save considerable time. The Crescent takes 6 hours Greensboro-WAS while the Carolinian takes 7.5 hours.
I think this is a fantastic idea. Where do I sign up to promote it? :D
I don't think NC will ever agree to move the Carolinian to that route. Afterall, because as mentioned above the Carolinian is meant to serve North Carolina, and on its current route it serves many more places in NC than a routing via the NS route would. Faster trains to Charlotte will happen when the SE HSR is completed and that also would not be along the NS route but along the abandoned CSX route between Petersburg and Raleigh. Of course in all cases the train will pass through Greensboro.
 
I too think that'd be a great idea for the Carolinian. Mostly because from Charlotte it's only a hop, skip, and a jump down to Atlanta. Perhaps we could get a second daily train ATL-WAS/NYP that out of this...oh well, pipe dreams (and read my sig :p )
It will happen as soon as Georgia comes around to parting with some greenbacks to make it happen. :p ;)
 
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