Ohio High-Speed Rail Advocates Look to Maine as a Model

[ALC Rail Writer]

Profwebs did you tell them it would take 3.5 or 6.5 hours to go from CLE to CIN?

 

[profwebs]

No I didn't...

 

[ALC Rail Writer]

No I didn't...

See thats the rub. I have no doubt such a route would do well if you could cut it down to four hours-- five even. Six and you're pushing it.

The Penny does well on a 444 mile route because it hits the NEC. I wonder what the numbers are for stations up to HAR. Would the proposed Ohio train have better farebox recovery than the Penny with HAR-NYP eliminated?

 

[profwebs]

No I didn't...

See thats the rub. I have no doubt such a route would do well if you could cut it down to four hours-- five even. Six and you're pushing it.

The Penny does well on a 444 mile route because it hits the NEC. I wonder what the numbers are for stations up to HAR. Would the proposed Ohio train have better farebox recovery than the Penny with HAR-NYP eliminated?

Good point, don't feel like looking to see where riders exit the Pennsy from PGH, but I bet the majority go past Harrisburgh...

 

[ALC Rail Writer]

No I didn't...

See thats the rub. I have no doubt such a route would do well if you could cut it down to four hours-- five even. Six and you're pushing it.

The Penny does well on a 444 mile route because it hits the NEC. I wonder what the numbers are for stations up to HAR. Would the proposed Ohio train have better farebox recovery than the Penny with HAR-NYP eliminated?

Good point, don't feel like looking to see where riders exit the Pennsy from PGH, but I bet the majority go past Harrisburgh...

That in and of itself isn't a dealbreaker-- CLE-Cbus-CIN is more populated than PGH-HAR. The question is whether or not it will do reasonably better.

If it is more populated then logically it should have greater farebox recovery. Whether it does or doesn't will likely depend on the route's time, schedule and ability to maintain an OTP.

 

[Green Maned Lion]

Well I haven't seen what they've produced recently so I don't know.

Until they with the modern world and switch to Stainless Steel or aluminum, it doesn't matter how well they build them. They will still be overweight and insufficiently durable.

So what have the built recently?

CRC's cars have all been carbon steel. The design only really works with carbon steel.

 

[ALC Rail Writer]

Well I haven't seen what they've produced recently so I don't know.

Until they with the modern world and switch to Stainless Steel or aluminum, it doesn't matter how well they build them. They will still be overweight and insufficiently durable.

So what have the built recently?

CRC's cars have all been carbon steel. The design only really works with carbon steel.

So what have they designed recently? Where are their cars in service? It's a simple question.

 

[Green Maned Lion]

So what have they designed recently? Where are their cars in service? It's a simple question.

Oh, sorry, I didn't understand your question. They built a bunch of luxury cars for the Alaskan/Canadian tourist trains, they built a few cars for GrandeLuxe, but their primary items were DMUs for a bunch of commuter lines. Problem is, they aren't powerful enough so they end up being enginehauled, as on

 

[ALC Rail Writer]

So what have they designed recently? Where are their cars in service? It's a simple question.

Oh, sorry, I didn't understand your question. They built a bunch of luxury cars for the Alaskan/Canadian tourist trains, they built a few cars for GrandeLuxe, but their primary items were DMUs for a bunch of commuter lines. Problem is, they aren't powerful enough so they end up being enginehauled, as on

Neither of which design reflects what would be required to run the proposed route-- I'll wait to see what they come up with before admitting defeat.

 

[Green Maned Lion]

Neither of which design reflects what would be required to run the proposed route-- I'll wait to see what they come up with before admitting defeat.

Their current website suggest all they are building is DMU equipment. That equipment can't get up the steep grades of... uh, south Florida. I doubt it would do any better in the hills of Ohio.

Personally, I don't understand what people have with new equipment. Decent used equipment is as good or better.

 

[ALC Rail Writer]

Neither of which design reflects what would be required to run the proposed route-- I'll wait to see what they come up with before admitting defeat.

Their current website suggest all they are building is DMU equipment. That equipment can't get up the steep grades of... uh, south Florida. I doubt it would do any better in the hills of Ohio.

Personally, I don't understand what people have with new equipment. Decent used equipment is as good or better.

I concur. I would prefer a few Amfleets and a P42. However I'm sure that Amtrak doesn't have the cars to spare.

 

[Green Maned Lion]

How about some SPV-coaches and a P40?

 

[Neil_M]

Personally, I don't understand what people have with new equipment. Decent used equipment is as good or better.

Do you have a big box of sweeping generalisations that you save for special occasions such as this?

 

[Green Maned Lion]

Personally, I don't understand what people have with new equipment. Decent used equipment is as good or better.

Do you have a big box of sweeping generalisations that you save for special occasions such as this?

Yes. I store it on a shelf in my closet.