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That's nice. It doesn't disprove the fact that tipping is customary. Since I never claimed that 100% of people tipped, I'm not seeing where your clever use of google proves anything.
I don't really see how you can reconcile that statement with the one you just made in your previous post:

If you're too lazy to go back and actually read the thread that you are posting in, nearly everyone posting tips and has provided their suggested amount.Finding people that say they don't tip is pretty much impossible.
You state that "Finding people that say they don't tip is pretty much impossible," which you believe proves that tipping is customary. Then, when I do find people who say they don't tip, you say "I never claimed that 100% of people tipped."

So, is this just a matter of semantics? Are we in agreement that the amount of people who tip is greater than zero percent but less than 100%?
 
According to SalaryExpert.com the average redcap salary in Illinois is $23,590. Link here http://salarybox.com/salary.php?state=IL&id=4050&year=2011. I have nothing to substantiate the veracity of this or whether or not it includes tips. I always tip them. Not train related but still travel related, if you've ever known somebody who ever worked housekeeping in a hotel, you'll always leave a tip for the maid.
At Walt Disney World, the rules regarding gratuities are very strict and union controlled. Valet Parking, bell hops, restaurant servers, mini bar attendants are tipped. ALL others are forbidden to receive tips, and if tips are collected by adamant guests, they are to be turned in to management. Because of the union rules, a person who's primary job was not tipped could not work in an area that was tipped for overtime (ie: Front desk clerk couldn't work extra hours in parking or bell services). Housekeeping was not an offically sanctioned tipped position, however, this was the one exception to the turning in rule. House keepers could keep what was left. Usually, it was pocket change, but there have been times when guests have left a C-note.
I don't think Amtrak has such clear guidelines. My experience would allow me to tend to believe that most are treated like the aforementioned housekeepers. Paid a wage that you're expected to agree to live on; tips are just gravy. As I mentioned before - and I still haven't received clarification - is there a means by which the L/SAs, SCAs can declare their gratuities for tax purposes?
Yes, all OBS employees are provided a means, thru their trip timesheet, to declare their earned tips for the trip.
 
I don't think Amtrak has such clear guidelines. My experience would allow me to tend to believe that most are treated like the aforementioned housekeepers. Paid a wage that you're expected to agree to live on; tips are just gravy. As I mentioned before - and I still haven't received clarification - is there a means by which the L/SAs, SCAs can declare their gratuities for tax purposes?
If the employee receives more than $20 per month in tips at one job they are required to report it to their employer. The official IRS form is Form 4070A, Employee's Daily Record of Tips. Other reporting formats are permitted (ie. time sheets). The amount will be included on their W-2 statement for Taxable Income, Social Security, and Medicare. All tips unreported to the employer are still taxable as income and should be reported by the employee on Line 7 of his/her Form 1040 U.S. Individual Income Tax Return. Happy April 15th everyone. Hope you don't owe taxes :( , but get a refund instead. :p :hi:
 
As others have posted, tipping obviously varies, as it likely also does in a regular restaurant. When we've been in the dining car, I've noticed more people seem to leave tips on the table than don't--just my observation. Of course, those who pay with credit cards could add the tip to the bill there, too. We usually do that in regular restaurants.

We tried to take note of the menu prices and tip based on those as we'd do in any sit-down restaurant. (15-20% usually, adjust for unusually poor or extra service). Except for one time, the service was at least average or better.

I have no data, but I think it is customary to tip if the service is adequate.

Edit to add: We always leave a tip for hotel/condo housekeeping, along with a note thanking them for helping make our stay pleasant. (If the room or condo were very dirty, we probably wouldn't, but that's not happened yet.) We do it to let them know we appreciate their services.
 
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You state that "Finding people that say they don't tip is pretty much impossible," which you believe proves that tipping is customary. Then, when I do find people who say they don't tip, you say "I never claimed that 100% of people tipped."
So, is this just a matter of semantics? Are we in agreement that the amount of people who tip is greater than zero percent but less than 100%?
It's a matter of comprehending what I'm saying. Pretty much impossible is not completely impossible. In this thread is different than everyone in the whole world.

Tipping is customary, based on the experience of many long time riders here that collectively have millions of Amtrak miles under their belts. You can choose to believe that or not, I'm tired of chasing the goalposts and not really interested in playing word games.
 
You state that "Finding people that say they don't tip is pretty much impossible," which you believe proves that tipping is customary. Then, when I do find people who say they don't tip, you say "I never claimed that 100% of people tipped."

So, is this just a matter of semantics? Are we in agreement that the amount of people who tip is greater than zero percent but less than 100%?
It's a matter of comprehending what I'm saying. Pretty much impossible is not completely impossible. In this thread is different than everyone in the whole world.

Tipping is customary, based on the experience of many long time riders here that collectively have millions of Amtrak miles under their belts. You can choose to believe that or not, I'm tired of chasing the goalposts and not really interested in playing word games.
One of my (admittedly few) reasons for continuing to post in this thread is that you continue to post conflicting points, and either cannot or will not reconcile them. You just said that "In this thread is different than everyone in the whole world." Yes, that's my point. People on this board aren't necessarily representative of all Amtrak passengers. Yet you also say that "Tipping is customary, based on the experience of many long time riders here that collectively have millions of Amtrak miles under their belts."

You can't have it both ways. It's not a matter of "word games". Either AU forum members are representative of all train passengers, or they are not. Both of these ideas cannot simultaneously be true.

I recently read this quote at http://www.trainweb.com/travel/tipping.htm. Trainweb is a pretty popular train site, & the people who write that page are also Amtrak "regulars". Here's a quote from their page on Amtrak tipping, referring to following the advice from Jim Loomis's book "All Aboard: the Complete North American Train Travel Guide" (which I own and also recommend):

"I can't honestly tell you what other people tip. It is usually done discretely and is not easy to observe. I do see a lot of people tip, but I also see a lot of people that don't tip. I usually give the car attendant their tip when they make their final rounds to ask if I'll need help with my bags. It may be my imagination, but their eyes usually widen and the friendly service becomes a bit more friendly after I have given them the amount of tip suggested by the Loomis book. It does lead me to believe that the amount suggested by the Loomis book is either much higher than that paid by the average passenger, or the number of people that give any tip at all isn't what it use to be. I don't know which is right, but I do know that following the Loomis book suggestion will yeild a highly appreciative car attendant!"

He then goes on to further discuss Dining Car tipping:

"What happens in real life? I've made a habit of almost always being the last one to leave the table after each meal. I've also glanced at every table that I have passed where the diners have just left. I've eaten hundreds of meals in the Dining Car. I've sat and dined with many strangers on Amtrak trains. I always wait till last to put down my tip, just so that nobody tries to follow my lead. I purposely want to observe what people tip, especially the older more experience Amtrak travelers. To be totally honest, I've never seen anyone ever leave more that a single dollar after breakfast or lunch! I have encountered many people that have not left tips at all. At dinner, most people also leave just $1 per person or nothing, but I have also seen some people leave $2. Rarely have I ever seen anyone leave more than that or attempt to calculate a 10, 15 or 20% tip based on the price of the meal. I'd really like some feedback from dining car staff and other travelers to dispute my observations on this one. I certainly think the 15% to 20% rule of thumb is fair, but only a tiny number of people seem to use that method to calculate the tip for meals on the train."

I posted this because this comes from an Amtrak regular who has also carefully observed what other people tipped. It's probably more accurate than anything we've speculated so far. If you'll allow me to summarize, I'd say that some people tip, some don't, but you'll probably get better service if you tip. Does that not sound reasonable to you?

Personally, I've learned something by researching tipping. I honestly think that sleeper pax don't tip very often. If I want good service from my SCA, I think I'm going to tip earlier in the trip rather than later. For example, I might tip the first night after my bed is made up, and then another near the end. If tips are irregular, the SCA has no idea that you intend to leave a tip if he/she provides good service. By thanking them and tipping them earlier, service might get better throughout the trip.
 
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If you tip based on the level of service received, it's a gratuity.

If you tip hoping for better service before it is rendered, it's a bribe.
 
We have a set amount we give the dining car attendant which is $3 for breakfast, $4 for lunch, and $5 for supper. If the service is especially great (super friendly person, efficient and quick service, or a server who has worked their butt off in a crowded situation and is still smiling) then a bit more as well. We like to give $2 bills as suggested many years ago on this site, and the servers seem to remember us when we return for another meal. :)

My experience in the diner is that most people leave something but as suggested, a dollar or two. Most younger riders leave nothing. Many people we have dined with ask us what the policy is (especially after I have told them about our vast experience riding trains :p )

I have had a few occasions where I have not left a tip-- poor service, poor attitude, etc but that has rarely happened.

I appreciate the difficulty in serving a meal on a moving train and so redistributing the wealth is not a problem with us. (Devoted Socialists that we are :p )

The same is true for the sleeper attendants. Most of our SCAs have been friendly and did their job as described. We generally give $10 per night and more if the person is very personable, always seems to be available if you need something- and most of all, keeps the bathrooms in tip top shape :help: . The attendants seem to appreciate the money (which we give at the end of the trip when he/she asks if we need help with luggage). I believe many sleeper passengers do not tip based on my observations, but that may not be the case since we obviously are not observant of every act on the train :eek: .
 
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