Southwest Chief Re-Route?

[Eugene S]

For Pueblo to have rail passenger service it most likely will come first from Texas. When Texans can go to Glenwood Springs Area without having to go thru Denver maybe people people of Colorado will demand a a clean up of the rail mess that exist between Pueblo and Denver. You know bike trails don't produce income.

 

[Green Maned Lion]

Bike trails have NEVER been relaid.

 

[Eugene S]

There is a first time.

 

[Amtrak172]

I read somewhere that there is fighting for the SW chief route. Is this true? Why would the Southwest Chief be endangered?

 

[Ryan]

Search is your friend:

http://discuss.amtraktrains.com/index.php?/topic/53558-southwest-chief-re-route/

 

[TinCan782]

Just gonna post the same discussion!

 

[Amtrak172]

I know Amtrak will find a way. For some places that the Southwest Chief passes through, it is the only mode of transportation.

 

[user 1215]

Bike trails have NEVER been relaid.

Not true. The Denton A Train Commuter train reclaimed a chunk of rails to trails back to rails.

 

[XHRTSP]

I know Amtrak will find a way. For some places that the Southwest Chief passes through, it is the only mode of transportation.

I can't say I share your brand of optimism here. Not after spending the last four years living in the shadow of the former Sunset East route. That way of thinking never got them their train service back.

 

[Amtrak172]

They'll find away to fix things with this.

 

[SarahZ]

They'll find away to fix things with this.

With what money?

 

[jis]

I know Amtrak will find a way. For some places that the Southwest Chief passes through, it is the only mode of transportation.

Really? Tell that to the folks who live along the routes of Sunset East, the Pioneer, the Desert Wind and the North Coast Hiawatha. They will look at you like you have grown three heads and 4 arms.

 

[zephyr17]

I read somewhere that there is fighting for the SW chief route. Is this true? Why would the Southwest Chief be endangered?

Short answer, BNSF only uses some of the current route very lightly (La Junta, well, Las Animas Jct to be completely accurate, and Newton) and some not at all (La Junta - Lamy) and will no longer maintain it after the current contract ends unless someone else starts footing the bill, or at least a big part of the bill. That whole route's track structure is life-expired and needs major work to maintain it to passenger standards, and BNSF doesn't need it at all, or just as a glorified industrial lead.

 

[Amtrak172]

Ok, there is no such thing as the Sunset East. The Pioneer is now the Empire Builder. I was talking about some of the dead towns that ONLY the Southwest Chief runs threw.

 

[SarahZ]

Ok, there is no such thing as the Sunset East. The Pioneer is now the Empire Builder. I was talking about some of the dead towns that ONLY the Southwest Chief runs threw.

The Sunset East was the portion of the Sunset Limited that ran between New Orleans and Miami (and then cut back to Orlando). The Sunset Limited stops at New Orleans now, so the portion between NOL and ORL is often referred to as "the Sunset East".

Also, the EB is not the former Pioneer. The Pioneer ran from Seattle to Portland and then down through Boise, SLC, parts of Wyoming, and onto Denver. I see a lot of small towns that aren't served anymore:

http://pioneertrain.org/route-of-the-pioneer/

 

[Ryan]

Sure there is. Once upon a time the Sunset Limited ran all the way to Florida.

The Pioneer is not the Empire Builder, which is not the NCH.

You mean dead towns like Butte, Bozeman, Billings, Boise, Cheyenne? Pensacola? Flomaton? Mobile? Any of these cities ring a bell?

 

[jis]

How is the Pioneer the Empire Builder? What about the few towns that only Sunset East ran through?

 

[zephyr17]

Ok, there is no such thing as the Sunset East. The Pioneer is now the Empire Builder. I was talking about some of the dead towns that ONLY the Southwest Chief runs threw.

The Pioneer is and was never the Empire Builder. They were two separate trains that service wildly different areas except for their end points.

You clearly know little of what you are talking about.

 

[Slasharoo]

Welcome to the Fire, er, I mean Forum, Amtrak172. Keep your head down...

 

[Amtrak172]

Ok, there is no such thing as the Sunset East. The Pioneer is now the Empire Builder. I was talking about some of the dead towns that ONLY the Southwest Chief runs threw.

The Sunset East was the portion of the Sunset Limited that ran between New Orleans and Miami (and then cut back to Orlando). The Sunset Limited stops at New Orleans now, so the portion between NOL and ORL is often referred to as "the Sunset East".

Also, the EB is not the former Pioneer. The Pioneer ran from Seattle to Portland and then down through Boise, SLC, parts of Wyoming, and onto Denver. I see a lot of small towns that aren't served anymore:

http://pioneertrain.org/route-of-the-pioneer/

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I know. Sunset limited never went to Miami, only to Orlando. The pioneer is now Amtrak cascades.

 

[R30A]

The Sunset has terminated at Miami and Orlando(And Sanford, and of course New Orleans!)

The Pioneer was its own train. As was the Desert Wind. And the North Coast Limited/Hiawatha. (And the Floridian...)

 

[AmtrakBlue]

Ok, there is no such thing as the Sunset East. The Pioneer is now the Empire Builder. I was talking about some of the dead towns that ONLY the Southwest Chief runs threw.

The Sunset East was the portion of the Sunset Limited that ran between New Orleans and Miami (and then cut back to Orlando). The Sunset Limited stops at New Orleans now, so the portion between NOL and ORL is often referred to as "the Sunset East".

Also, the EB is not the former Pioneer. The Pioneer ran from Seattle to Portland and then down through Boise, SLC, parts of Wyoming, and onto Denver. I see a lot of small towns that aren't served anymore:

http://pioneertrain.org/route-of-the-pioneer/

ye



I know. Sunset limited never went to Miami, only to Orlando. The pioneer is now Amtrak cascades.

The Cascades go to Denver. Cool. I'll have to add that to my bucket list.

 

[Ryan]

Really? The Cascades go all the way to Boise?

Also, this timetable disagrees with you about Miami.



A clue. Get one.

 

[Amtrak172]

Sure there is. Once upon a time the Sunset Limited ran all the way to Florida.

The Pioneer is not the Empire Builder, which is not the NCH.

You mean dead towns like Butte, Bozeman, Billings, Boise, Cheyenne? Pensacola? Flomaton? Mobile? Any of these cities ring a bell?

I know. I misunderstood what I was told.

 

[Ryan]

I'll be a little nicer.

It's obvious you have a lot of excitement about Amtrak. That's great. Amtrak needs as many enthusiastic supporters as it can get.

It's painfully obvious that you've got a LOT to learn. Read everything about you can about Amtrak. Resist the urge to post dumb, easily disprove stuff. Listen and learn from the really smart people here.

With knowledge and enthusiasm you can do great things.

With enthusiasm and a crushing lack of knowledge, you're just going to make Amtrak supporters look like idiots.