The Canadian is resuming service to Toronto

[jiml]

A state can unilaterally close its border in Canada?

Yes, the Maritime provinces have been doing it throughout the pandemic - sometimes even to each other, and both Quebec and Manitoba have had sporadic closures. Sometimes the restrictions are simply extended quarantines, but there have been cases of people being turned away at provincial borders. The constitutionality of it has been debated many times and will likely be the subject of court challenges long after Covid19 is in the rear-view mirror.

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/n-s-rei...kers-six-new-covid-19-cases-tuesday-1.5385412

 

[jiml]

Further to the above, Ontario has just this moment closed its borders with Quebec and Manitoba. Checkpoints are being set up and only essential travellers will be allowed to pass. There doesn't seem to be much point to the Canadian's route being lengthened as scheduled.

 

[jis]

Further to the above, Ontario has just this moment closed its borders with Quebec and Manitoba. Checkpoints are being set up and only essential travellers will be allowed to pass. There doesn't seem to be much point to the Canadian's route being lengthened as scheduled.

Must be quite interesting between Ottawa and Hull?

 

[jiml]

Must be quite interesting between Ottawa and Hull?

I can only imagine, although the reverse situation was in effect very early in the pandemic. This time around the penalties are much more severe.

 

[Bob Dylan]

Must be quite interesting between Ottawa and Hull?

Yep, lots of Civil Servants live in Hull( Quebec) and commute to Ottawa!( similar to DC Closing its Borders with WA and MD)

 

[NS VIA Fan]

Yep, lots of Civil Servants live in Hull( Quebec) and commute to Ottawa!( similar to DC Closing its Borders with WA and MD)

Ottawa-Gatineau (Hull) has 5 bridge crossings but other than that.....there's only 2 major 'Interstate' type highway crossings between Ontario and Quebec just west of Montreal...... along with several secondary roads that are mainly west of Montreal and through the Ottawa valley and Temiskaming. There's also 5 railways crossing the border.....2 carry passengers.

The Ontario-Manitoba Border would be easier to enforce: there is but a single two-lane highway (the Trans-Canada Hwy), a single CN track and a single CP track. That's all that connects eastern and western Canada.

So for a province the size of Ontario (about 1 1/2 times the size of Texas) with a pop of 14 million....there's really not that many border crossings to enforce considering the US-Canada Border is already closed.

 

[jiml]

There has been no word on how Ontario plans to handle passenger trains, since they are federally regulated. I doubt they have the resources to meet arriving passengers at every stop. There has been a request to the federal government to suspend inter-provincial flights (probably not going to happen) or make them subject to the same rules as arriving international ones (hotel quarantine, etc.). Presumably buses will be stopped with all other highway vehicles. One would think there won't be many people leaving Ontario on any form of transport, since travelling to the airport, train or bus station is not allowed. As traffic diminishes I wonder if frequencies will too.

 

[Urban Sky]

There has been no word on how Ontario plans to handle passenger trains, since they are federally regulated. I doubt they have the resources to meet arriving passengers at every stop. There has been a request to the federal government to suspend inter-provincial flights (probably not going to happen) or make them subject to the same rules as arriving international ones (hotel quarantine, etc.). Presumably buses will be stopped with all other highway vehicles. One would think there won't be many people leaving Ontario on any form of transport, since travelling to the airport, train or bus station is not allowed. As traffic diminishes I wonder if frequencies will too.

If you refer to the actual Order in Council:

Certain travel into Ontario from Manitoba and Quebec prohibited

2. No person shall travel into Ontario from Manitoba or Quebec unless,

[...]

(d) the person is travelling into or through Ontario by means of an international or interprovincial bus, train, ferry, or flight;

[...]

https://files.ontario.ca/solgen_oreg293-21_2021-04-16.pdf

 

[jiml]

If you refer to the actual Order in Council:

https://files.ontario.ca/solgen_oreg293-21_2021-04-16.pdf

The language acknowledges Ontario's lack of jurisdiction. I probably should have said "There is no word on Ontario's next move", since they have already asked the Feds to curtail air travel per Premier's speech yesterday. If Ottawa allows the loopholes to continue that's on them.

 

[jiml]

I've heard VIA has just added a warning that passengers travelling to Ontario must meet the new requirements.

 

[NS VIA Fan]

If you refer to the actual Order in Council:

https://files.ontario.ca/solgen_oreg293-21_2021-04-16.pdf

Yes.....it's now received Royal Assent but doesn't take effect until 12:01am on April 19th. It should have been immediate....and an excuse now for one last party this evening or tomorrow

 

[jiml]

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[jiml]

It's bookable again. Must have been website thing earlier this morning.