Train 59 Service Disruption

[Fan_Trains]

I just saw on amtrak status maps, and I saw that there was a service disruption on train 59. anyone knows what happened?

 

[JayPea]

There was a freight derailment near Jackson, MS.

 

[Amtrak George]

Detour: from what I have heard, the CONO is detouring today (possibly both 58 and 59). The freight derailment is just south of Jackson, MS and the detour route is Jackson, MS to Hattiesburg (CN, former IC) thence NS Crescent route to New Orleans, and vice versa.

Unknown whether the track will be cleared for tomorrow's runs and/or whether the CONO will be detoured again or bussed.

 

[George Harris]

Now that is interesting. For quite a long while the Jackson to Hattiesburg, and on to Mobile line, as also the Hattiesburg to Gulfport,whcih was the orignal G&SI route had 25 mph speed limits. Anyone know haw fast the train ran on this line now?

 

[Steve4031]

I would think bussing is a more likely option. Though I would prefer the reroute.

 

[manchacrr]

I'm on 59 now & the track is clear. We were permitted to continue south on the main line. We are on time; the next station is Hammond, LA

 

[Amtrak George]

Yeah! 58 and 59 both indeed made the detour on Friday, ran regular route Saturday!

Turns out the CN had just laid new rail on the Beaumont subdivision, so I bet they raised the speed some, because the delays on the detour were not that terrible. Some good railroading here. Train 58 made up quite a bit of the delay and was only 50 minutes late into Chicago on Saturday.

Like a breath of fresh air.

 

[Swadian Hardcore]

How fast can the CONO go on that strech now?

 

[George Harris]

Turns out the CN had just laid new rail on the Beaumont subdivision, so I bet they raised the speed some, because

Ah ha. Some time back, as in within the last few months or maybe year I saw that KCS, with some help from Gulfport laid new rail and upgrading work otherwise between Hattiesburg and Gulfport so they could raise the speed limit to 49 mph. I had wondered what had been done between Hattiesburg and Jackson MS to connect the Gulfport line up with the rest of the KCS system. I think you just gave me the answer.

 

[Amtrak George]

How fast can the CONO go on that strech now?

The max speed on the CN between Chicago and New Orleans is 79 MPH. Naturally, there are speed restrictions for curves, congested areas, etc. etc.

 

[Amtrak George]

Turns out the CN had just laid new rail on the Beaumont subdivision, so I bet they raised the speed some, because

Ah ha. Some time back, as in within the last few months or maybe year I saw that KCS, with some help from Gulfport laid new rail and upgrading work otherwise between Hattiesburg and Gulfport so they could raise the speed limit to 49 mph. I had wondered what had been done between Hattiesburg and Jackson MS to connect the Gulfport line up with the rest of the KCS system. I think you just gave me the answer.

If my memory serves me correctly, at some times in the past they have not run such a detour because it would have been way too slow, so it appears the upgraded track has something to do with it. In this case, the detours may have actually worked better financially for Amtrak than chartering busses!

 

[Swadian Hardcore]

How fast can the CONO go on that strech now?

The max speed on the CN between Chicago and New Orleans is 79 MPH. Naturally, there are speed restrictions for curves, congested areas, etc. etc.

The whole route now? There's a really bad part in Mississippi unless they fixed it.

 

[Amtrak George]

How fast can the CONO go on that strech now?

The max speed on the CN between Chicago and New Orleans is 79 MPH. Naturally, there are speed restrictions for curves, congested areas, etc. etc.

The whole route now? There's a really bad part in Mississippi unless they fixed it.

Well, the max speed overall is 79 MPH and there are places in the Mississippi Delta that it makes that speed (just rode a few days ago). With that being said, various urban areas, congested areas near freight yards, bridges, curves, etc. up and down the line call for speed restrictions. For instance, you might not think of having curves in the flat Delta but there are some speed restrictions on curves down there for 70 mph, 60 mph, even 40 mph IIRC.

Some are a series of curves for which the train is restricted for several miles. There is a similar situation here in West Tennessee where the train sails along at 75 or 79 in places, yet there are curves that call for lower speeds along the line.

Oh, to answer your question :mellow: there is still rough track particularly between Memphis and Jackson, Mississippi but we still made pretty good speed. They will slap a slow order (temporary speed restriction) on portions that need repair to make them safe, then remove the slow order once track repairs are done. The speed restrictions on curves etc. referred to above are permanent speed restrictions. From what I understand, that Delta earth makes it really difficult to maintain the track for higher speeds and a comfortable ride :wacko:

 

[George Harris]

From what I understand, that Delta earth makes it really difficult to maintain the track for higher speeds and a comfortable ride :wacko:

Let's just say that Misissippi State is the go to place for information on dealing with expansive clays and such like problem soils. Why? Becasue there is a lot of it in the state, mostly in the Delta. Maybe we should explain what is meant by "Delta" here. The Mississippi Delta, as in the part in the state of Mississippi where the soil is made of of great depths of river deposits from the Mississippi River as opposed to that part of Louisiana that holds the Mississippi River where it sticks out into the Gulf. The Delta is extremely flat with a northern tip just below Memphis and a southern tip just north of Vicksburg. The easternmost extend from the river is east of the current line used by the Panama Limited between a point just south of Memphis and just north of Yazoo City. It does not extend as far east as the original ICRR main, which is closely parallel to I-55.

 

[Swadian Hardcore]

How fast can the CONO go on that strech now?

The max speed on the CN between Chicago and New Orleans is 79 MPH. Naturally, there are speed restrictions for curves, congested areas, etc. etc.

The whole route now? There's a really bad part in Mississippi unless they fixed it.

Well, the max speed overall is 79 MPH and there are places in the Mississippi Delta that it makes that speed (just rode a few days ago). With that being said, various urban areas, congested areas near freight yards, bridges, curves, etc. up and down the line call for speed restrictions. For instance, you might not think of having curves in the flat Delta but there are some speed restrictions on curves down there for 70 mph, 60 mph, even 40 mph IIRC.

Some are a series of curves for which the train is restricted for several miles. There is a similar situation here in West Tennessee where the train sails along at 75 or 79 in places, yet there are curves that call for lower speeds along the line.

Oh, to answer your question :mellow: there is still rough track particularly between Memphis and Jackson, Mississippi but we still made pretty good speed. They will slap a slow order (temporary speed restriction) on portions that need repair to make them safe, then remove the slow order once track repairs are done. The speed restrictions on curves etc. referred to above are permanent speed restrictions. From what I understand, that Delta earth makes it really difficult to maintain the track for higher speeds and a comfortable ride :wacko:

Looks like they fixed it, then.