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Going to Bellingham WA. Attempted to book this train for return trip. Something didn't work, so I called USA-TRAIN, but the wait was too long. I wonder when they'll start giving out estimated wait times. No problem. Short trip to the depot, so I'll just go there when not too busy to see if a real agent can book it. Only plan to go if there's a sleeper. If they have to sit on a side track while an oil train pulls out, at least I want to wait it out in a private room. Hmmm. Maybe I should be looking at one with its own "facilities". Well, anyway, if no sleeper to grab, then I switch to Plan B or Plan C. None of which is my previous trip. That would work famously on a line not competing with busy freight traffic. Interesting how some of the least timely lines always seem to list something like BNSF or CSX. Human cargo is definitely second class.
 
One huge difference is that I never had to connect to a train that could pull out and leave a large number of passengers behind. I should also add that this experience is not matched by anything in my bus and plane experience. I'm sure other passengers have missed a plane or bus connection, but I haven't. I don't know all the parties who could be blamed for this, but railway travel's reputation isn't glowing at the moment.
Human cargo is definitely second class.
If you've never experienced a savaging due to the airlines, you're either extremely lucky or you're a very rare flier. If there is any mode of transport where you can say "human cargo is definitely second class", it's air travel.

I'm crossing my fingers right now (which makes it extremely hard to type), but despite traveling over 18,000 miles on Amtrak, I've never been more than 2 hours late. Not once.

Already in 2012, I've been forced to sit on the tarmac in a teensy seat for 3.5 hours due to delays. And that was just one flight. Last year I spent 15 hours delayed in Cleveland on three separate occasions. One of those times, I missed my connecting flight by 7 minutes. It was literally 2 gates away, but they wouldn't hold it. And thus, I had to wait 4 hours for the next flight. Except that that plane experienced mechanical difficulties and never even made it to Cleveland. So almost 7 hours after arriving in Cleveland, I was finally on another plane. All I got was an $8 voucher for a sandwich in the airport. And I had to be obstinate to get that.

On the other two occasions in Cleveland, I only got home by elbowing my way onto a flight to an airport in a different state than I'd booked to, narrowly missing a night on the floor of the terminal one of those times.

The Builder might have its problems, but I'd pick Amtrak over the airlines any day. At least Amtrak seems to care about its passengers. The airlines don't even act like they care.

As far as buses go, I've been fortunate not to have to travel on them very often. I went to New York with some friends last year. I took Amtrak because it's much nicer, and I enjoy the ride. My friends decided to save a few bucks and take the megabus.

On our return trip, they left 90 minutes earlier than me, waiting for the bus in the pouring rain on Ninth Avenue. They were crammed onto a completely full bus with other wet passengers. And to top things off, their bus broke down somewhere north of Baltimore. While they sat on a dark, cold bus on the side of I-95, I was already settling into my own bed, thankful that I'd spent that extra $25 or so for the train. They got back to Washington at 3AM, and had to find their own way home, because the Metro had already closed.

Amtrak has its delays. Perhaps far too often. But at least when you're delayed on Amtrak you can unfasten that seatbelt and walk around. You can generally see scenery more interesting than a few flashing blue lights on the side of the taxiway. And if the hankering strikes you, you can get a hot meal in the dining car.

And when Amtrak really screws up and you miss a connection, they put you up in a hotel. When the airlines screw up, you don't even get a cot over by gate C21. You're lucky if you get a voucher for a 6-inch sandwich at Subway.

So, go ahead and tell us how much you hate Amtrak. My heart bleeds for you. Next time, try flying. I hear the airport in Minneapolis has really soft floors and good lumbar support.

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I wonder if there are better details on exactly how #8 is getting "hammered". Well, we can always check amtrakdelays...

It looks like #8 is sometimes, but not very often, down by a lot before it reaches Minot. But just as often, it's on time.

It regains time on the way to Devil's Lake. But then it loses a lot more between Devil's Lake and Fargo. Amtrakdelays didn't collect much

data on Grand Forks, but it looks like the time is lost between Grand Forks and Fargo.

Given that the Fargo station is north of the junction with the mainline, this can't be due to delays getting onto the main at Fargo. However, #7 isn't losing any time between Fargo and Devil's Lake (though it's already running late when it gets to Fargo).

So this is mystifying to me. What's going on on the line between Fargo and Devil's Lake and why does it only affect eastbounds?

Wait, I think I see a possibility. This is a single-track line, right? Given the schedule, if the eastbound is delayed, it can hit the timeslot of the westbound. The on-time westbound will then go ahead of the eastbound. How many sidings are there on this line? Does it need more?

Anyway, #8 sometimes loses more time between Fargo and Minneapolis-St. Paul, but sometimes it makes up time. It makes up time heading to Milwaukee and Glenview.

Then #8 loses a lot of time between Glenview and Chicago. This puts blame squarely on Metra. Metra is probably like Metro-North: unfriendly to trains arriving out of slot. Is there also work being done on the Milwaukee District North?
 
I hear the airport in Minneapolis has really soft floors and good lumbar support.
I generally agree with your rant, but to give a shout-out to MSP, they actually bring out cushions (sort of like the ones you took a nap on in kindergarten) every night for travelers who are spending the night in the airport. I've never used, them, of course, but I've seen them stacked in a hallway when arriving on a terribly delayed flight.

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One huge difference is that I never had to connect to a train that could pull out and leave a large number of passengers behind. I should also add that this experience is not matched by anything in my bus and plane experience. I'm sure other passengers have missed a plane or bus connection, but I haven't.
Hmm, my last plane trip wasn't a problem. On the trip before that I tried to fly Minneapolis-New Orleans. My Minneapolis-O'Hare flight was so late (blizzard in Chicago) that I couldn't make the connection to New Orleans. That time I flew the next day, even though I had a hotel reservation in New Orleans that I couldn't cancel. The time before that I was stuck in JFK by a canceled flight (weather in Boston that time, I think), and ended up flying to Minneapolis on a much later flight in the last row of coach rather than the first-class ticket I'd booked.

In comparison, in 31 years of riding Amtrak, the worst I've suffered was that I was once 6 hours late into Minot on #8. Other than my sister having to get up in the middle of the night and meet us at the depot, no harm, no foul. This was especially true since our delay meant we went through the mountains west of Whitefish during daylight. And on that trip EB_OBS boarded in Havre to take care of passengers who had connections in Chicago, which I thought was pretty good service.

Okay, I now remember a 12-hour late Empire Builder in the early 1980s, but that was, as I recall, due to supervisors finishing a run after an engineer's strike was declared on Burlington Northern. Did Amtrak have its own engineers at that point, or were they still using crews from the host railroads? In that case I didn't have to make a connection, so again it didn't really inconvenience me. I just remember how they tried to make up time on the bumpy, poorly maintained Milwaukee Road track between St. Paul and Chicago. Superliner cars can sway remarkably without derailing.
 
I hear the airport in Minneapolis has really soft floors and good lumbar support.
I generally agree with your rant, but to give a shout-out to MSP, they actually bring out cushions (sort of like the ones you took a nap on in kindergarten) every night for travelers who are spending the night in the airport. I've never used, them, of course, but I've seen them stacked in a hallway when arriving on a terribly delayed flight.
I picked an airport at random to malign. They're all pretty bad at dealing with stranded passengers.
 
There is schedule padding (up to 45 minutes in some cases) at Spokane, Whitefish, Shelby, Minot, St. Paul, and Chicago. These are really the only locations where the train can make up time.

I'm guessing that aside from major incidents (derailments, trespasser fatalities, grade crossing accidents) which seem to be occurring frequently of late, most of the recent delays are ultimately due to summer track work and associated slow orders/maintenance windows. This slows #8 somewhat, but more importantly it also slows down freights, making the entire railroad more congested and less fluid.

As to why #8 performs so much worse than #7, I don't have any good answers but have a few guesses. Part of the problem is the short scheduled turn time on the west coast. #8 also has a one-hour shorter scheduled run (45:15 SEA-CHI vs. 46:10 CHI-SEA for #7) giving it less total schedule padding. Moreover, with most of the delays occurring in ND and eastern MT, #8 has only two schedule-padded stops (MSP and CHI) to make up time over the rest of the run. If #7 is delayed in the same area, it can make up time at Shelby, Whitefish, Spokane, and Seattle - enough in some cases that a 2-3 hour-late train at Glasgow arrives on time into Seattle and Portland.

Mark
 
Maybe BNSF ships oil east but not west? I notice on those chronically late routes, competition from freight oriented companies is attributed all but a few percent of the cause.
 
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