Not too much different than what the Freights have done on a daily basis. I remember sitting outside of Little Rock for 6 hours, because of "congestion." We sat 5 miles outside of San Jose for "track repair," for nearly 4 hours.
IMHO:Here's an idea which will make the bean counters and lawyers cringe. Makeit widely known in the advertising world and movie and television
production worlds that Amtrak is changing its long standing policy of an
automatic "no" to any request to use Amtrak trains and equipment in
movies or television shows or advertisement, and make a trade: use of the
equipment for prominent, realistic. and truthful display of the company
name and logo as part of the movie, television, or advertising
production. Charge a small fee to cover some out of pocket expenses for
Amtrak, but make the hallmark of the deal the use of the equipment, name,
and Amtrak logo. This instantly becomes free advertising for Amtrak,
piggybacking on someone else's corporate advertising budget, or someone
else's movie or television production budget.
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"Prominent?" "Realistic?" "Truthful" display???????????
Oh come on, when was the last time a TV/Movie writer cared anything about making anything about Amtrak or trains realistic or truthful. It revolves around the story and who cares whether things are truthful or realistic. I think it's more realistic for Amtrak to become involved with the online travel companies like Orbitz, etc. Time to find a way to advertise with them and become prominent on their websites. Partner time?
Yes, they're always fun to read. Often filled with flights of fancy, but occasionally there are good ideas or at least thought provoking comments within them. And perspective, stopping to at least take a look from a different point of view is never a bad thing. There's always more than one way to solve a problem, so watching both sides of the story is always a good thing if one really wants to succeed.I enjoy reading Bruce's newsletters, if for no other reason than to get a different perspective - which can be a good thing - but there is enough pontificating on the internet without adding more.
Why don't people who come up with this sort of nonsense simply get laughed off the stage? The founding of the town in 1890 was because of the railroad. It was originally a fueling stop in the days of wood burners. This particular piece of the CSX was originally the Columbia Newbury and Laurens, and was no more and no less than a line connecting those three places. The large number of trains is proablaby because it it taking a goodly portion of the traffic that comes off the Clinchfield, running Spartanburg, Laurens --> CN&L --> Columbia --> ex-SAL main.5) Here?s a maddening story from December 20, 2006 in The State, the excellent daily newspaper of Columbia, South Carolina.
CSX wanted to add a two mile passing siding in the center of a small South Carolina town called Irmo. Near the proposed siding are 2,500 homes and three schools.
Keep in mind a piece of the CSX main line track already goes through Irmo. No Amtrak trains use this part of CSX.
Mayor John Gibbons and Irmo residents believe a new siding in town would allow multiple trains to use the siding to keep the CSX main track fluid. Irmo residents say the siding would cause noise and shake their homes.
Irmo was founded as a railroad whistle stop in the late 19th Century. Right now, up to 20 trains run daily through the community, and Irmo sits in the middle of a 30 mile segment of single line track without a siding. In the real world, that?s known as a bottleneck.
Or more likely, people pay no attention to "those trains" because they're always passing through and who worries about them. Until you move into a house near the tracks. I once lived in a house right next to the tracks. Granted, it was not a main line, but many trains rumbled down the track with loaded coal cars to the power plant. Was it bothersome? for the first few weeks, and then it blended into the background. What bothers me more these days are those who have to drive their cars around with the music turned up so loud that the house rumbles. I guarantee you, those people will be deaf by their mid-thirties! Then they'll be looking for someone to sue.And the real estate salespeople selling homes probably know the train schedules and do their best to make sure that they show homes when there are no trains scheduled, and tell folks that those tracks are hardly ever used.
Anyone actually reading the article would already question whether the answer to that question is yes. The fact is, the statement (about Amtrak not looking at long-distance trains) is not put in quotes, meaning that the reporter is not directly quoting the Amtrak official, but rather paraphrasing what was said. Without the full quote and context of the statement, there's no way we could really know what he was talking about. He could have been just referencing that particular proposed service (to the Quad Cities), which would likely be run as a corridor rather than a long-distance train.... Amtrak's goal is to double the number of riders nationwide by 2020,he [Lang] said, adding that Amtrak is not looking at long-distance rail
service. The company's future is servicing corridors 300 to 500 miles.
He said Illinois is one of 14 states that have a rail service contract
with Amtrak.
[End quote]
Oops! What? Did the Quad-City Times reporter correctly quote Mr. Lang, a
long time Amtrak public affairs veteran and experienced spokesman, saying
"Amtrak is not looking at long-distance rail service. The company's
future is servicing corridors 300 to 500 miles."?
Just a quick comment about Bruce Richardson's comments regarding Amtrak and the Super Bowl. Amtrak has been a sponsor of the Mondy Night Games on Westwood One radio network for almost 7 years and have made this presentation every year at the Super Bowl. It is not televised, but is certainly part of the radio broadcast, so this is not something new.Anyone actually reading the article would already question whether the answer to that question is yes. The fact is, the statement (about Amtrak not looking at long-distance trains) is not put in quotes, meaning that the reporter is not directly quoting the Amtrak official, but rather paraphrasing what was said. Without the full quote and context of the statement, there's no way we could really know what he was talking about. He could have been just referencing that particular proposed service (to the Quad Cities), which would likely be run as a corridor rather than a long-distance train.... Amtrak's goal is to double the number of riders nationwide by 2020,
he [Lang] said, adding that Amtrak is not looking at long-distance rail
service. The company's future is servicing corridors 300 to 500 miles.
He said Illinois is one of 14 states that have a rail service contract
with Amtrak.
[End quote]
Oops! What? Did the Quad-City Times reporter correctly quote Mr. Lang, a
long time Amtrak public affairs veteran and experienced spokesman, saying
"Amtrak is not looking at long-distance rail service. The company's
future is servicing corridors 300 to 500 miles."?
Then again, it's not like I expect anything from Bruce Richardson.
Sometimes a little information is a dangerous thing!This Week at Amtrak; February 16, 2007
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Volume 4, Number 6
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1) Thanks to all those who inquired about the missing editions of TWA
these last two weeks. Due to a pressing need to complete some large
projects, it was not possible to produce TWA and meet other deadlines. We
hope this has not caused any inconvenience.
2) According to the National Association of Railroad Passengers and other
groups and some media, the sky is yet again falling, and the Earth
continues to rush up to meet it.
Yes, it's that time of year when the reigning administration submits an
annual budget to Congress, and, of course, there is never enough money
suggested to please those who think government money grows on trees.
The Bush administration has suggested a small budget for Amtrak for
Fiscal Year 2008 of $900 million. Horrors. Just $100 million shy of a
billion dollars in free federal monies, and the fatalists think all of
the nation's passenger trains will grind to a screeching halt any minute,
now.
When cooler heads look at the budget picture, we know a couple of things
to be true, versus the dogmatic rhetoric that comes from all of the usual
suspects.
While $900 million is less than previously allotted by Congress in the
final budget figures (the only ones that really matter, by the way),
Amtrak usually gets $1.2 billion or more each year, lately. For FY 2006
and FY 2007, Amtrak got $1.3 billion each year.
Keep in mind all national operations and NEC operations together, plus
continuous upgrades to the Northeast Corridor can be accomplished with
this small budget request. So, even if this budget suggestion was
ultimately turned into law, Amtrak would not be shut down, nor would
passenger trains operations be curtailed.
Now, let's look at the crux of the problem of budgeting free federal
monies for Amtrak every year. Here is what the United States Department
of Transportation said regarding the FY 2008 Amtrak budget request.
[begin quote}
Focusing Amtrak's Spending Priorities
The Administration believes that scarce taxpayer dollars must be spent
wisely, including the funds provided to Amtrak. Led by its Board of
Directors, Amtrak made some progress in 2006 to strengthen its finances
by increasing revenues and controlling costs. While Amtrak's recent
performance is encouraging, it continues to under perform overall.
Amtrak's system-wide on-time performance again dropped in 2006 to 68
percent, and it required $490 million in operating subsidies, mostly for
its money-losing long distance trains. When last measured for 2002, the
net Federal subsidy per thousand passenger miles traveled was $199.90 for
rail, $5.87 for commercial aviation, and -$.95 for highway users
according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. While Amtrak
carried 24 million passengers in 2006, domestic air carriers that year
flew 656 million passengers.
Historically, Amtrak has been hampered by a lack of accountability, poor
design, and mismanagement. The latest critical review of Amtrak comes
from the Government Accountability Office, which concluded, among several
findings, that Amtrak's long-distance trains "show limited public
benefits for dollars expended," and that "these routes account for 15
percent of riders but 80 percent of financial losses." To turn the
enterprise around, the Administration has urged basic reforms that would
empower local communities and ultimately customers to determine the most
efficient way to run trains. The Administration expects the Board's
newly-installed management to make significant changes required to enable
the company to succeed without Federal operating subsidies. The
Department plans to administer Amtrak's subsidy with this goal in mind.
The 2008 Budget proposes a subsidy that would require that Amtrak make
hard choices about its services and commit to running the railroad more
like a business. The request is part of a multi-year program to reduce
and then eliminate Amtrak's reliance on Federal operating assistance as
required by the Amtrak Reform and Accountability Act of 1997 (49 USC
24101). For 2008, the Budget recommends $900 million for intercity
passenger rail, but only $800 million for Amtrak directly. This amount
includes $300 million for operating costs, compared to the $490 million
Amtrak received in 2006, beginning the phasing out of operating
subsidies. The Budget continues to fund Amtrak's infrastructure needs
with a capital request of $500 million, which is equal to the 2006
enacted level. This level should underwrite Amtrak's ongoing efforts to
rehabilitate the Northeast Corridor between Washington, D.C. and Boston,
which is by far its most heavily used and important route. In addition,
the President's Budget requests $100 million for capital matching grants
to States for intercity passenger rail projects. This new program would
give local communities resources to direct investment in facilities that
reflect their top rail transportation priorities. The Administration
believes the Federal Government should help States fund capital projects
where there is strong demand for rail service, and help foster managed
competition among rail operators to encourage innovation and cost
control.
[End quote]
Look at some of the same, often useless and incorrect phrases used in the
budget request: "mostly for its money-losing long distance trains. When
last measured for 2002, the net Federal subsidy per thousand passenger
miles traveled was $199.90 for rail, $5.87 for commercial aviation, and
-$.95 for highway users according to the Bureau of Transportation
Statistics ... latest critical review of Amtrak comes from the Government
Accountability Office, which concluded, among several findings, that
Amtrak's long-distance trains "show limited public benefits for dollars
expended,' and that "these routes account for 15 percent of riders but 80
percent of financial losses.' ... should underwrite Amtrak's ongoing
efforts to rehabilitate the Northeast Corridor between Washington, D.C.
and Boston, which is by far its most heavily used and important route
..."
We know the long distance trains are not money losers, too many studies
have shown that above the rail, the long distance trains at the minimum
break even, and most even throw off extra cash to fund other parts of the
company and operations.
The most incredible statement comes abstractly from the Government
Accountability Office, saying Amtrak's long distance trains show limited
public benefit for dollars spent and that routes account of 15% of
riders, but 80 percent of financial losses. To Amtrak's credit, in the
original GAO report (GAO-07-15) of November 13, 2006, the company
responded by reminding the GAO that actually, the long distance trains
account for 47% of passenger miles generated system-wide.
The last incredible statement is that the NEC is by far Amtrak's most
heavily used and important route. While it may carry the most passenger
bodies, it does not generate the most passenger miles, and the importance
of the NEC would be debatable to anyone living outside of the NEC area
served, particularly if you live in one of the rural areas of America
where Amtrak is the only common carrier available for use.
What this boils down to is that the Bush administration is operating from
flawed data, simply because that is what it has been fed to use. We know
the GAO report is deeply flawed, because it has used bad data supplied by
... Amtrak. We know Amtrak's data is flawed, because its books are still
a financial quagmire that is taking months to just begin to untangle.
Also, in the past, Amtrak has always incorrectly highlighted the
importance of the NEC and its version of high speed rail at the expense
of the rest of the national system. Looking at Amtrak past marketing and
public relations exercises shows a distinct disdain for anything other
than the NEC, and these defective efforts are coming back to haunt Amtrak
as it tries to look at itself seriously as a national common carrier.
Most importantly, Amtrak itself has continuously, mostly for the benefit
of the NEC, used passenger body counts instead of the transportation
industry gold standard of revenue passenger miles to measure success. By
sheer body counts, the long distance trains do carry less passengers,
which is a meaningless statistic. By revenue passenger miles, the long
distance trains generate 47% of the system wide passenger miles, a huge
amount.
In summary, what we are seeing every year from the White House is a
budget decision based on flawed data, that ultimately was generated by
Amtrak. Until Amtrak can convince budget decision makers about the real
numbers and needs, bad budget requests will continue to flow into the
national debate.
The oddest, and funniest news story to come so far from this year's
budget discussions? New Mexico Business Weekly, on Tuesday, February 6,
2007 ran a headline saying, "Proposed Bush budget would banish NM's
Amtrak service." The story went on to say, in a declaratory fashion with
no attribution, "The president's 2008 budget proposal would cut Amtrak's
funding from $1.3 billion to $900 million and eliminate the Southwest
Chief and Sunset Limited passenger lines."
You can't make this stuff up. Where does such nonsense come from, in what
is supposed to be a respected business publication?
2) In good news, Amtrak seems to be putting together a new advertising
push. The bad news is that the advertising seems to be just for Acela
trains on the NEC, and not the whole system.
On February 9th, Adweek, a well-respected industry magazine of the
advertising and marketing biz, reported that Amtrak is making a
multimedia push for the winter and spring travel season. The campaign is
based on research that shows travelers are taking less vacation time and
are therefore more concerned with the comfort and quality of their
leisure-time activities.
Adweek says the campaign seems to mostly be aimed towards NEC Acela
trains. There is no mention of the much more important national system
trains which generate greater amounts of revenue passenger miles and cash
for the system.
Here's the distressing part: Amtrak spent slightly less than $20 million
on ads last year, down 66 percent from the previous year. Why such a
drop? Was this due to the Acela trains being out of commission last year,
so Amtrak didn't think it was important to advertise the rest of the
system?
In terms of advertising spending, $20 million, for a company the size of
Amtrak, is, at best, trivial spending for something like advertising.
Now, here's an interesting twist to the whole advertising scenario.
On February 7th, Amtrak announced it has contracted with a multi-cultural
marketing communications firm to launch a multi-cultural advertising
campaign for both Acela trains and the long distance system. The firm,
based in Atlanta, Georgia, will help Amtrak develop promotions, special
events, and public relations. These are all things Amtrak desperately
needs, and undoubtedly will help Amtrak gain new riders.
A "Welcome On Board" ad will encourage audiences to consider Amtrak long
distance trains when planning trips, especially family vacations. An
Acela campaign will target business travelers.
Hey, this sounds great. Promoting the long distance system, getting some
good public relations going, and special events.
But, the ads will only target multi-cultural audiences via print, online
and radio advertising in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington,
and Miami. Both campaigns will be aired only through African American and
Hispanic media outlets.
What about the rest of us? Is Amtrak saying that no one other than
minorities ride long distance trains? What about the other thousands of
media markets outside of the major centers listed above? Don't people in
the other 40+ states want to ride passenger trains, too? Or, will they
just have to figure out things the best way they can and discover Amtrak
on their own?
These two campaigns are a bare minimum start, but nothing more than that.
3) In the last issue of TWA, we read about a meeting held in Illinois
regarding expansion of Amtrak service in that state. The following quote
appeared:
[begin quote]
Oops! What? Did the Quad-City Times reporter correctly quote Mr. Lang, a
long time Amtrak public affairs veteran and experienced spokesman, saying
"Amtrak is not looking at long-distance rail service. The company's
future is servicing corridors 300 to 500 miles."?
Putting two and two together, and hoping it doesn't add up to five, we
have last week's offering from Mr. Kummant in the Associated Press
article which was printed across the land that long distance train
ridership was expected to be flat, and reiterating the belief in state
sponsored corridors of 300 to 500 miles in length.
[End quote]
This has a happy ending. Ray Lang was apparently misquoted, as often
happens in the press. A sharp-eyed TWA reader, Eliot A. Keller of Iowa
City, Iowa sent the following e-mail to TWA:
"He was misquoted.
"I was there in Rock Island.
"He said the biggest growth in ridership was expected in the future on
trains serving those routes." [Meaning corridors, and not long distance
routes; that the company is still looking at long distance routes.]
That is a great improvement over what was reported in the Quad-City
Times. Thank you, Mr. Keller for helping clarify that issue. That puts a
much more positive spin on things.
4) Two very different weather and train operation reports and statements
were made February 13th and February 14th as harsh winter weather rolled
across North America.
Amtrak issued an internal System Operations Flash Report on February
14th, warning of the coming weather, and made plans to cancel or
terminate early 50 trains in the Midwest and Northeast.
VIA Rail Canada, on the other hand, on February 13th, warming to the
conditions of the same storm, issued this public announcement:
[begin quote]
VIA Rail Canada is preparing for major winter storm
Montreal - In light of the major storm that is expected to hit Central
Canada and the Maritimes over the next couple of days, VIA would like to
remind its passengers that is has taken all the necessary steps to offer
safe and reliable travel to those using its intercity and longer distance
trains in Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes. While heavy snow and severe
weather can shut down highways and airports, trains are typically not
affected to the same degree.
As weather predictions worsen, VIA normally faces increased demand. VIA
will add cars to accommodate the demand but urges customers to call ahead
to be certain of available space. To book, customers can call 1-888-VIA
Rail, (842-7245), TTY 1-800 268-9503 (hearing impaired). Tickets are also
available at kiosks in major Corridor stations, online at www.viarail.ca,
or through travel agents.
VIA offers a stress-free, safe and comfortable winter travel alternative.
For a complete listing of train departures, station and on-board services
as well as fare plans, visit VIA's Web site at www.viarail.ca (
http://www.viarail.ca/en_index.html )
[End quote]
Our tough Canadian cousins seem to relish winter, not be afraid of it.
Come on Amtrak, get with the plan.
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I can only guess that he used selective reading when browsing Amtrak's press releases. :blink: After all here it is clear as day, a full description of the ads for the long distance service.Sometimes a little information is a dangerous thing!
Amtrak has a long distance train advertising campaign, as well as an Acela (NEC) campaign for the spring, so there should be no fear that the long distance trains are being forgotten.
As far as the Multicultural/Diversity agency running ads in large market areas, this is no different than what has been done in the past. There has always been a portion of their budget set aside for diverse market segments and those ads are funded from the national budget. Other cities/regions will use the same ads and place them in the smaller market cities.
No fears Bruce - Amtrak will market to everyone - even URPA followers.
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