Viewliner II - Part 1 - Initial Production and Delivery

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Then the coach attendants will go, because they can be replaced with ACs who sleep off-board; the higher salaries & benefits for ACs will be more than made up for by the revenue from the roomettes.
AC's are under hours of service so no way using them would make up for revenue from roomettes. They get on and off at turn around points timed so they don't outlaw. Coach attendents stay on the whole trip. And at those turn around points the AC is put up in a hotel room.
 
In case anyone wants to talk about the actual cars, another batch of bags have been shipped south to correct the numerous issues that have cropped up. I look forward to seeing the first batch return. The mods should be interesting if the latest rumor is true. ;)
How many, when and where were they shipped? Are these new cars that have never been shipped out of CAF before? Or are these cars that were already accepted and are being sent to Hialeah for further work? I guess I am left a bit confused by your pithy message.
Yes, he made a valiant effort to get the discussion back on track, but left us hanging. What were the defects, and did the show up during the first trip south or only after some actual service?
 
… another batch of bags have been shipped south to correct the numerous issues that have cropped up. I look forward to seeing the first batch return. The mods should be interesting if the latest rumor is true. ;)
How many, when and where were they shipped? … being sent to Hialeah for further work? ... a bit confused by your pithy message.
Yes, he made a valiant effort to get the discussion back on track, but left us hanging.
We're all glad to know that more bag cars have left Elmira, but we're hungry for details.

For one thing, we'd like to keep a running total of bag cars accepted from CAF. We had one posted a ways back, but now add "a batch" gives a new total of what?

The order is for 70. Until we get real close to that number, we can't even do a good guestimate of when the diners might start to dribble out the factory door.
 
I don't think this is involving cars coming from Elmira. I believe he is referring to cars moving south from their current assignments down to Hialeah for mods. (That said, I have seen pictures of cars ready for pickup in Elmira, one of which was numbered 61042, along with what looked like another diner being decaled, which makes me think we might see some non baggage cars soon too! )
 
That said, I have seen pictures of cars ready for pickup in Elmira, one of which was numbered 61042, along with what looked like another diner being decaled, which makes me think we might see some non baggage cars soon too!
Maybe all the baggage cars are built, but not fit for service?
 
I am somewhat curious.... do you stuff a gay man and a straight man in the same roomette? How is that any different from putting a man and a woman in the same room, if the potential for unwanted sexual attraction and interaction is the determining factor? Would it then be OK to pair a gay and a lesbian together? As I said.... just curious since we are talking of stuffing two otherwise unrelated people together in a roomette in very close quarters. So in order to make all this work you'd require the employees to disclose their sexual orientation, which would be an interesting additional requirement. Oh well, I can see a lot of opportunities for litigation here. The lawyers must be feeling very good as they read these brilliant ideas.
Really? These were basically the exact concerns expressed before the repeal of DADT. Just like the experts said would happen, nothing happened.
 
In a rational world nothing should happen. But the world is less than rational when it comes to these things. Specially the recent law making regarding toilet access would not give one great comfort about rationality. In a rational world there would also be no need to have separate toilets.
 
Sleeping in compartments with strangers of the same gender is very common in Europe, between hostels and train roomettes. Perhaps American sensibilities, as mentioned in the post by jis at 11:47 AM on 7 May, are simply too conservative for such an arrangement. Perhaps it is a result of the rampant socialism over there :p
 
I don't think this is involving cars coming from Elmira. I believe he is referring to cars moving south from their current assignments down to Hialeah for mods. (That said, I have seen pictures of cars ready for pickup in Elmira, one of which was numbered 61042, along with what looked like another diner being decaled, which makes me think we might see some non baggage cars soon too! )
Indeed. It ties into the previous post I made responding to an inquiry made by Woody:

Anyone know when the other cars are scheduled to enter service?
The funny thing is earlier this week talking to folks at the NARP meeting including one from Amtrak I got the distinct impression that it is possible that even Amtrak does not know for sure. ;)
I'm not even sure they have received all the bags cars.

I was distracted the last month or so, but after 18 bags cars sent to Hialeah in a convoy, and then another10 followed, did they finally get to the 70-car revised total?

And do we think any of the bag cars will go back to CAF to fix the heating strip problem and other alleged flaws, perhaps if improved parts arrive from a supplier?
The field mods are being handled in Hialeah. The cars are being cycled through in batches to adjust some of the things Guest Guest mentioned...among other things. Hopefully, they'll come back a bit more user friendly and everyone will get on the same page because some locations are still pushing the "do not use the shelves" angle.
Another group of previously released cars made their way to Hialeah over the last week or so to receive field mods. .As for cars at the factory, I believe the 61042 you saw in Elmira has company and they will all be fetched soon.
 
Good to see the field mods going on. Contrary to many predictions, it seems like baggage demand is going up... so these cars will be used!
 
Neroden,

Just curious here: what indications would there be that demand for baggage service is up? Inquiring minds want to know! :)
 
In any case there is no doubt that those cars will be used, since even with the full complement delivered there will be barely enough to cover all, needs.
Interesting. I had no idea that the Viewliner fleet was in such a sorry state. Wikipedia says that there are 73 "heritage" baggage cars. The order from CAF is, what, 70?

Also, can anyone be more specific about the "issues" that have been found that need attention?
 
In any case there is no doubt that those cars will be used, since even with the full complement delivered there will be barely enough to cover all, needs.
Interesting. I had no idea that the Viewliner fleet was in such a sorry state. Wikipedia says that there are 73 "heritage" baggage cars. The order from CAF is, what, 70?

Also, can anyone be more specific about the "issues" that have been found that need attention?
Most (or all?) of the Heritage baggage cars are considerably shorter than the Viewliners. But I don't know if any trains regularly used 2 bags cars so that a single larger capacity Viewliner bag will do the job of two Heritage cars.

As for the "issues", they were discussed over several pages not that long ago. Simply scroll back to the beginning of April I think will do it, and scan the posts until you find the subject beaten to death. There's really no need for us to re-discuss what has been amply discussed very recently. Of course, if any informed sources have more specifics and new information, that would be welcomed by all.
 
Wikipedia says that there are 73 "heritage" baggage cars. The order from CAF is, what, 70?
70 baggage cars plus 10 bag-dorms
Per the OTOL Amtrak car roster, there are approximately 51 heritage baggage cars.
If you look at the By the Numbers update on the On-Track On-Line site, Amtrak has retired 13 Heritage baggage cars since Dec, 2014. Which is consistent with Amtrak's budget and Five year plan documents which list 64 Heritage Baggage cars on the fleet roster at the end of FY2013 and 63 at the end of FY2014. There were 2 baggage cars disposed of in 2011 and 2 in 2012. So Amtrak's Heritage baggage car fleet has been shrinking due to attrition losses and probably cars getting to the point of beyond maintenance repair. There may been 73 Heritage baggage cars officially on the roster some 5 or 10 years ago.
 
That is the reason that several Amcafes have been doing duty as baggage car on several trains of late, as have Coach-Baggages on Superliner trains. It should also be remembered that for quite a while several trains that ought to have baggage cars and had baggage cars in the past, have not had them simply because there are not enough to go around.
 
Another group of previously released cars made their way to Hialeah over the last week or so to receive field mods. .As for cars at the factory, I believe the 61042 you saw in Elmira has company and they will all be fetched soon.
Very soon. Make him proud:


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