Viewliner II Part 3: Bag/Dorm Car Production, Delivery, Speculation

[PVD]

If you move the sleeper off of Boston and place it on NY and sub the Bag-dorm you will have no ADA/H room to Boston. Doubt that will fly. A good thought perhaps, but likely a non-starter.

 

[Thirdrail7]

What's the baggage load like on 66/67? Will it fit in a bag-dorm?

Definitely. The only this is VA wants bike service. I don't know if the bag dorm has bike racks. I believe they were supposed to but it has been so long, I've almost forgotten who makes these cars, when they were ordered, when they were due.

Perhaps Knight Rider can help us from here.

 

[Bob Dylan]

What's the baggage load like on 66/67? Will it fit in a bag-dorm?

Definitely. The only this is VA wants bike service. I don't know if the bag dorm has bike racks. I believe they were supposed to but it has been so long, I've almost forgotten who makes these cars, when they were ordered, when they were due.

Perhaps Knight Rider can help us from here.

Yep, wasn't Downs or Warrington CEO back when this sorry Deal was done?

 

[OBS]

What's the baggage load like on 66/67? Will it fit in a bag-dorm?

Definitely. The only this is VA wants bike service. I don't know if the bag dorm has bike racks. I believe they were supposed to but it has been so long, I've almost forgotten who makes these cars, when they were ordered, when they were due.

Perhaps Knight Rider can help us from here.

Yep, wasn't Downs or Warrington CEO back when this sorry Deal was done?

I believe Claytor was.....

 

[RPC]

Ordered in July 2010, so that would have been under Boardman. So, any bag/dorm news out of Florida?

 

[Bob Dylan]

Ordered in July 2010, so that would have been under Boardman. So, any bag/dorm news out of Florida?

That was "tongue in cheek", since its been too long since this never ending saga began!

 

[RPC]

Ordered in July 2010, so that would have been under Boardman. So, any bag/dorm news out of Florida?

That was "tongue in cheek", since its been too long since this never ending saga began!

Sorry, should have added the "Bronx cheer" emoticon! But, (more) seriously, any news out of Hialeah? (I assume CAF will hold further bag/dorm construction until Amtrak blesses the first article...)

 

[cpotisch]

I thought that the first bag-dorm delivered was 69000, not 69002?

 

[MikefromCrete]

I thought that the first bag-dorm delivered was 69000, not 69002?

I believe 69000 was part of the initial delivery of cars, including diner Albany, which went back to CAF after an medial tour, for repairs and updates. So it's still there awaiting release in upstate New York. You, my young friend, may actually see these cars in service in your lifetime.

 

[cpotisch]

Well Thirdrail explicitly said 69000 in the Part 3 thread.

 

[KnightRail]

Well Thirdrail explicitly said 69000 in the Part 3 thread.

Where? The first post of that thread? The one that has a giant 69000 image and then a giant +2?

 

[cpotisch]

Well Thirdrail explicitly said 69000 in the Part 3 thread.

Where? The first post of that thread? The one that has a giant 69000 image and then a giant +2?

Yes. Looked to me like he was saying that 69000 was being delivered, and another two cars are incoming or something. Otherwise, why not just write 69002?

 

[B&Ofan]

If the add a Baggage dorm to the Boston section of the LSL I hope they don't remove the sleeper as I have to disagree about the demand for sleeper space to Boston. In my last trip returning to Boston and my next two upcoming trips I am changing from the Boston sleeper to the NY sleeper (or the other way around for my return trip) because it is substantially cheaper to make the move (even though they double charge me for my bike making the switch). This sounds to me like demand for the Boston section is high, though it may be with the limited space that the low bucket prices go quickly.

 

[KnightRail]

Yes. Looked to me like he was saying that 69000 was being delivered, and another two cars are incoming or something. Otherwise, why not just write 69002?

Probably because only a clip art of 69000 was found. Follow that up with a +2 and you get 69002. Its totally plausible to interpretate it a second way as you did thinking it meant three bag-dorms but that was not the case. Its meaning back then was 69000+2=69002, which of course was delivered at this point.

 

[neroden]

If you move the sleeper off of Boston and place it on NY and sub the Bag-dorm you will have no ADA/H room to Boston. Doubt that will fly. A good thought perhaps, but likely a non-starter.

Oh, you're right about that. :sigh: Maybe they'll add a bag-dorm to the NY side then (it sometimes has more luggage than the full baggage car can handle).

Regarding bike service, the "baggage" side of the bag-dorms has the same bike rack facilities as the full baggage cars (or at least it's trivial for it to have it), so that's not an issue.

 

[PVD]

Another possibility is adding the B-D to BOS and dropping the full bag.

 

[neroden]

Another possibility is adding the B-D to BOS and dropping the full bag.

Makes sense but they'd have to make the NY baggage car the "live one" for much of the rest of the trip, since a half-bag can't handle the baggage traffic from Utica to Chicago.

Anyway, it doesn't matter too much, there are lots of options, they just need to have enough rooms and enough baggage capacity. And they ought to restore the dining car service, since the LSL's dining car brought in more coach passengers than any other on the entire system. (Anderson doesn't understand Amtrak's finances, which is sad.)

 

[cpotisch]

Another possibility is adding the B-D to BOS and dropping the full bag.

IMO, that's the way to go. The Boston section doesn't need the full baggage car, and sleepers frequently sell out. Replace the full bag with a bag-dorm and you get an extra eight roomettes of capacity and you could almost certainly still fit all the bags.

 

[west point]

Another possibility is adding the B-D to BOS and dropping the full bag.

IMO, that's the way to go. The Boston section doesn't need the full baggage car, and sleepers frequently sell out. Replace the full bag with a bag-dorm and you get an extra eight roomettes of capacity and you could almost certainly still fit all the bags.

It may be we need to study the BOS <>ALB traffic during the time of cancellation this summer . A BD might not be enough ?/ AAlso was just one regular Baggage on west of ALB ?

 

[cpotisch]

Also was just one regular Baggage on west of ALB ?

West of Albany there are currently two baggage cars - one in each section. I can't imagine that one and a half baggage cars would not be enough.

 

[west point]

Was wondering how many baggage cars this summer during the NYP cancellations.

 

[PVD]

I rode it BUF-CHI in June, and I remember one bag, but I could be wrong, it was after midnight.....

 

[Seaboard92]

This is a picture of the inside of the New York baggage car. And for those wondering how I got it my car is adjacent to it. So I walked to my glass door and peaked in.

 

[KnightRail]

ImageUploadedByAmtrak Forum1536634746.365192.jpg

This is a picture of the inside of the New York baggage car. And for those wondering how I got it my car is adjacent to it. So I walked to my glass door and peaked in.

This is why a bag-dorm would be used on the NYP section of the LSL. All baggage except bags destined to/from NYP would go in the BOS baggage car. Crew would be moved out of the revenue sleepers making more rooms available for sale. Also the bag dorms would be cycling through NYP where swaps could be made with the one other service that is likely to get bag-dorms. With only 10 of them, what ever services they do go on they are going to have to share a common layover facility as there wont be a large protect margin.

 

[cpotisch]

Was wondering how many baggage cars this summer during the NYP cancellations.

It was one bag this summer in the abbreviated consist.