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Ofcourse I can't imagine this ever happening, but just for conversation sake.

2 Coaches added to an Amtrak train filled with slot machines and the bj table, keno board, crap table, etc...

Would it work?
 
Well you'd run into a lot of issues with state and local laws. The alcohol rules on Sundays were hard enough to overcome throughout the years, much less tangoing with gambling rules. The other issue you run into is security for that amount of cash on a train. Right now a train carries maybe a couple of thousand dollars in cash from Diner and Lounge sales. It'd take a pretty significant security upgrade to even try slots.
 
Maine was considering this.

The key is to use all credit cards, with no cash.
 
The key is to use all credit cards, with no cash.

Of course, this is against the rules of every gaming jurisdiction and regulators in the United States. Even if this weren't the case, every gaming jurisdiction (either state regulations or tribal regulations) that the train passes through would have to allow it. Would be quite a hassle to close up the 'casino car' every time you passed through an area that didn't allow gambling, like the state of Utah.
 
Ofcourse I can't imagine this ever happening, but just for conversation sake.
2 Coaches added to an Amtrak train filled with slot machines and the bj table, keno board, crap table, etc...

Would it work?
This has been examined at Amtrak, based on several casinos wanting to conduct gambling lessons on the train, on the way to the casino locations. It is logistically almost impossible to control and the various state and local laws would be an absolute nightmare to deal with.
 
Like the lotto, the state can clear it through the entire state.
 
Like the lotto, the state can clear it through the entire state.
It's not quite that easy. Gambling regulations vary from state to state, and in tribal lands, vary within each of these. Each of the tribes agree to a compact with the state, and have to follow the rules of this compact. Of course, these can vary from tribe to tribe, just like the regulations vary state by state. For example, in Iowa, gambling is only allowed on Native American lands, or on a barge-like vessel on a lake or river, or in a horse or greyhound track facility; and in the latter two, it is only allowed if a referendum in the county where it is located has been voted on and passed. In Mississippi, it is only allowed on barges. In Missouri, again, it is only allowed on riverboats, and there is a loss limit imposed there for players. North Dakota and Minnesota only allow gambling on tribal lands, Wisconsin only allows it on tribal lands, no gambling at all in the state of Utah, in California it is only allowed on tribal lands. I could continue, but, as you can see, it is extremely complex. Then there is also the question about which types of gambling are allowed per state. Some jurisdications limit table games and games of chance. There are different classes of slot machines, class 1, 2, and 3, and depending on what state you are in will determine what class of slot machines are allowed to be used. If a train stayed solely within the jurisdiction of one gaming regulatory agency, then they could conceivably legally allow this. But, probably not feasible. I work in the gaming industry, so, knowing what is allowed and what is not allowed per state is important for us to know, and obviously it is required for us to follow each and every rule for each and every jurisdiction we do business with. Amtrak, or any other gambling entity, would obviously have to follow the same rules.
 
I believe there's a way around all these gambling laws. At least, I've seen it practiced here in Northern Illinois. Instead of money being won, or chips that can be cashed in for money, the winner gets chips that can be redeemed for prizes.

The idea is that the winner doesn't win money. The winner wins a chip or token that can be redeemed for say, a diamond ring, an Ipod, a pair of sunglasses.

Why can't that work?
 
I believe there's a way around all these gambling laws. At least, I've seen it practiced here in Northern Illinois. Instead of money being won, or chips that can be cashed in for money, the winner gets chips that can be redeemed for prizes.
The idea is that the winner doesn't win money. The winner wins a chip or token that can be redeemed for say, a diamond ring, an Ipod, a pair of sunglasses.

Why can't that work?
Let's face it. Amtrak needs to get the whole on-board experience fixed before they even think about something like this. If you want another reason, go to one of the smaller casinos and take the time to talk with one of their security people and ask them what kind of problems they have. They will convince you that this is the last thing Amtrak needs.
 
I believe there's a way around all these gambling laws. At least, I've seen it practiced here in Northern Illinois. Instead of money being won, or chips that can be cashed in for money, the winner gets chips that can be redeemed for prizes.
The idea is that the winner doesn't win money. The winner wins a chip or token that can be redeemed for say, a diamond ring, an Ipod, a pair of sunglasses.

Why can't that work?
Assuming this to be true, the fact that the laws of the State of Illinois may permit this in no way means that the gaming statues of other states and municipalities would, to say nothing of the regulation required.
 
Ofcourse there are ways around. The federal government can say Amtrak will be given free onboard gambling in any state at anytime. End of story.

The question is would congress pass such a bill. Depends on how serious members are about making Amtrak profitable.

BTW, Katrina and Rita made a good example of those stupid barge only gambling. Mississippi learned thec lesson, Louisiana still insist on using barges.
 
Amtrak, or any other gambling entity, would obviously have to follow the same rules.
Actually, as an organ of interstate commerce, Amtrak could thumb its nose at all the local laws. All it would need is Congress to permit/sanction gaming on the rails.

Still I'm not sure it would work. It would move Amtrak away from transportation and that much closer to "land cruise"

Rick
 
And if it moves towards being a land cruise, it would play very well into the hands of Congressmen like Mica who want to cut off the funding for Amtrak since they view as already being a land cruise in its current state.
 
It could work and yield a profit. Expect longer trains. And hope a greedy CEO dont replace the coach and sleepers with slot coaches.
 
I think they should add a car with arcade games for the younger riders!

I have seen them on other trains and they made thousands of dollars per trip!!!!!
 
I think they should add a car with arcade games for the younger riders!
I have seen them on other trains and they made thousands of dollars per trip!!!!!
Agreed, an Idea that should have been done in the 80's and would still work today.
 
would anyone want federally-subsidized gambling until this made amtrak profitable?
 
I would expect this sometime shortly after a serious gun control bill is delivered to the president by a squadron of flying pigs.
There is a serious threat to that: in Zhukovski - where CAGI space and military research institute is - there is a speacial hangar wih well-trained sqadron of wild boars. They are better armed and faster than your pigs, but since the electronics is less advanced, boars rely more on swine skills than electronics. A flying wild boar can shot down any flying pig even at Mach-3. :lol:

Seriously - Amtrak image is very much family ane enviroment-protection oriented. I would say, there will be some serious battlecries from both left and right side of political spectre. Family and Environment guys would picture chain-smoging boozed gamblers "hijacking" half of the train, molesting female passengers... Besides, running a train is a task requiring half-military discipline. There will be opposition from Amtrak employees...

Indeed, wild boar airshow in Zhukovski will come first.
 
I've quietly sat and watched this thread and now I have to make my opinion known. Amtrak could be profitable if they dealt methamphetamine in the coach cars. (make it legal since the government runs the trains) They could turn a profit by having prostitutes in the sleeper cars. (make it legal since the government subisdizes the trains) It would be real easy to do in Nevada. Sell pot too, I think its decriminalized in Oregon so just make it legal to do on the train. Have Amtrak sell guns and weapons, they could make a fortune. Make one coach car the pot car, the next coach car the bingo car, poker car, Mustang Ranch car, Timothy Leary car, Keno Kar. Anything in this world can turn a profit if you find the addictions to cater to and sell it to the people who are addicted to it. Legal or illegal.
 
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