railgeekteen
Service Attendant
Not expansions, or cuts, just reroutes
Capitol Limited to Youngstown
Sunset Limited to Phoenix
Capitol Limited to Youngstown
Sunset Limited to Phoenix
Tracks need to exist. Let's keep this somewhat realistic.What are we using as criteria for reroutes? Are we just forcing Amtrak's presence on to someone's territory? Do track conditions and speeds enter into this equation? Do the tracks have to still exist?
Details, please.
Vaguely useful.Just any darned track? Or something that is vaguely usable within the context of current Amtrak connectivity?
Is that "rebuilding", the route that they moved The Broadway Limited to years ago from the former PRR to the former B&O?Moving the Cap to call at Youngstown (instead of Alliance) involves rebuilding a connection from CSX to NS at Ravenna, for which of course, currently there is no money, and there probably won;t be any unless Ohio contributes some.
The Youngstown Station that was used by the Broadway when it was moved to CSX is the one that would be used by such a rerouted Cap. It would travel on CSX using the link between NS (ex-PRR) and CSX (ex-B&O) that was put in to move the Broadway from the Fort Wayne Line to CSX at New Castle PA AFAIR, That link still exists and does not need rebuilding. It would then call at the Youngstown station and then move back to NS to Cleveland at Ravenna. That is the link that needs rebuilding. That is the last plan that I saw.Is that "rebuilding", the route that they moved The Broadway Limited to years ago from the former PRR to the former B&O?Moving the Cap to call at Youngstown (instead of Alliance) involves rebuilding a connection from CSX to NS at Ravenna, for which of course, currently there is no money, and there probably won;t be any unless Ohio contributes some.
Yes. Through Warren it is now a short line called Warren and Trumbull Railroad. It is another short line east of Warren to the vicinity of Youngstown. It is abandoned east of Youngstown as far as I can tell, though I may be reading the map wrong. If you want to verify get a copy of the Great Lakes East volume of SPV's Comprehensive Railroad Atlas of North America and look at the map page OH-16.What about the old Erie line thru Warren...is that still there?
Needs new track connection to get it to Amtrak Station in Miami.Or the Silver Meteor via the Florida East Coast Ry...
I think I read an article a few weeks ago about a track connection being built in West Palm Beach, although it did not mention any possibility of Amtrak operating over it. Even if this is built and Amtrak gains trackage rights, I believe that Orlando ridership is too high to reroute the entire SM away from it. Meanwhile, Tampa is underserved and ridership from Orlando to South Florida will be served by Brightline. Therefore, if trackage rights could be secured I think the best solution it to split both the SS and SM in Jacksonville and have an FEC section as well as an Orlando and Tampa section (that continues to Miami). This would obviously require track improvements and new stations on the FEC as well as approval from CSX for two additional round-trips from Auburndale to Tampa.Needs new track connection to get it to Amtrak Station in Miami.Or the Silver Meteor via the Florida East Coast Ry...
Yes. And if you throw in Central Florida as in Orlando then there is Orlando Sunrail too at the other end of the Brightline, hopefully to share a station some day at the Airport. But who knows? This is Florida where it has been alleged that land is sometimes sold in gallons rather than acres.I have not been following developments in Florida...wow! Now there are three passenger railroads serving South Florida? (Not counting transit)....
Frankly, doing anything at all which improves service in Ohio requires money from Ohio. If there is money from Ohio, then rebuilding the Ravenna connection is not a big deal. If there isn't, you can't get so much as a daily Cardinal.Moving the Cap to call at Youngstown (instead of Alliance) involves rebuilding a connection from CSX to NS at Ravenna, for which of course, currently there is no money, and there probably won;t be any unless Ohio contributes some.
The most likely reroute, because it's already in the Illinois state plan: reroute the Texas Eagle and Lincoln Service from Joliet to Chicago over the government-owned Rock Island line.Not expansions, or cuts, just reroutes
The one bad thing about reroute all trains via Detroit is losing service to downtown South Bend.The most likely reroute, because it's already in the Illinois state plan: reroute the Texas Eagle and Lincoln Service from Joliet to Chicago over the government-owned Rock Island line.Not expansions, or cuts, just reroutes
The one I want: have Michigan buy the Toledo-Detroit line and reroute the CL and LSL over it.
One which almost happened: reroute the Texas Eagle from Austin to San Antonio as part of the planned commuter rail line... which was killed by anti-rail politicians
One which did happen: the reroute of the Texas Eagle over the TRE between Dallas and Fort Worth
One which could happen with a little money for a connection: reroute the Cardinal from Charlottesville north and save a lot of time
One which would increase ridership and revenue but is politically unlikely: reroute the SW Chief between Albuquerque, Amarillo, and Wichita
Trains don't stop in Downtown South Bend, but I agree that service should not be cut to South Bend, Elkhart, Waterloo, and Bryan. In addition to losing nearly 75,000 passengers per year (although some would use alternate stations), the schedule would be lengthened by about 2 hours. In an ideal situation, the Wolverine corridor would have expended frequencies so current service to Pontiac can be maintained while 2-3 frequencies per day could turn south at Detroit to Toledo with connections going east and 1-2 frequencies continuing under the river to Windsor and Toronto. This will probably never happen, but I think it would be very successful if the funding could be located.The one bad thing about reroute all trains via Detroit is losing service to downtown South Bend.The most likely reroute, because it's already in the Illinois state plan: reroute the Texas Eagle and Lincoln Service from Joliet to Chicago over the government-owned Rock Island line.Not expansions, or cuts, just reroutes
The one I want: have Michigan buy the Toledo-Detroit line and reroute the CL and LSL over it.
One which almost happened: reroute the Texas Eagle from Austin to San Antonio as part of the planned commuter rail line... which was killed by anti-rail politicians
One which did happen: the reroute of the Texas Eagle over the TRE between Dallas and Fort Worth
One which could happen with a little money for a connection: reroute the Cardinal from Charlottesville north and save a lot of time
One which would increase ridership and revenue but is politically unlikely: reroute the SW Chief between Albuquerque, Amarillo, and Wichita