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It's very difficult to drink coffee on the Buckingham Branch into Charlottesville (or any rough route). Old equipment performs badly on rough roadbed.
Sometimes it is difficult to drink coffee even on an Acela or Regional on the NEC, which is supposed to be the most premier route in the country.
 
Maybe it's by design how he was dressed.

Trying to appeal to a younger crowd? This isn't your parents Amtrak anymore kinda vibe.

Like it or not, Amtrak is going after the younger generations and generally speaking they have a less formal vibe than those of us older folk.

I think it's a gimmick that downgrades are sold as appealing to younger generations. Who needs socks on the feet? Who needs sheets and blankets in sleepers?
 
I think it's a gimmick that downgrades are sold as appealing to younger generations. Who needs socks on the feet? Who needs sheets and blankets in sleepers?
Just because you feel it’s a downgrade, doesn’t mean others feel that way.

A T-shirt is a far cry from sheet-less beds.
 
I've never gotten a survey after a LD trip, ever. Ironically, there is much to be learned, I would guess, from passengers who spend hours if not days aboard a LD train. Wonder why they aren't interested in finding out?
I got one recently after riding the CONO. That might have been the first time I have received a survey specifically about a LD trip.

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I got one recently after riding the CONO. That might have been the first time I have received a survey specifically about a LD trip.

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I've never gotten a survey after a LD trip, ever. Ironically, there is much to be learned, I would guess, from passengers who spend hours if not days aboard a LD train. Wonder why they aren't interested in finding out?
I’ve gotten a survey after nearly every Amtrak LD trip, and many others as well.
 
Do the surveys that are received just ask the "satisfaction" level, or is there any chance to spell out specific problems?
They're mostly Generic type surveys designed more for loading into a computer for stats, than actually allowing passengers to actually explain any pluses or minuses about their trip.
 
Having a spokesperson wearing a T-shirt and no socks does not bode well for improving the first-class image.
The first time I got a first class upgrade on an airline was about 25 years ago, and what struck me was that my fellow first-class passengers were dressed as casually as the coach passengers I was familiar with. The same thing is true when one rides Acela First Class. The days of people dressing "semi-formal" for riding the train or planes is so long gone, I'm not even sure there are too many people alive who even remember it. (I remember it a little, but even back in the early 1960s, it really wasn't necessary to dress semi-formal (by which I mean a coat and tie for men and a dress or skirt and top for women, with dress shoes for both genders) when riding the train or plane.
 
On the topic of attire, I hope that there are some ugly Amtrak Christmas sweaters among our group this holiday season!

Here's a couple facts. I posted, "I think it's a gimmick that downgrades are sold as appealing to younger generations." Do you remember when Amtrak slashed dining car service during COVID--what did they call it? "Contemporary Dining." They were trying to sell a downgrade as something new and modern.

I also posted, "Who needs sheets and blankets in sleepers?", suggesting that it was a possible downgrade analogous to not wearing socks. May I remind you that Viewliner II's were designed without linen closets?

I work at a convenience store, and see a good cross-section of the community and what people wear. Occasionally, men and women come in dressed in formal attire--they might also dig those clothes out if they were going to be on a nationally-broadcast interview. But most of our clientele is construction workers, and their clothes are grimy and tattered.

My first memories of being concerned about clothing were when I entered elementary school in Hawaii. My mother dressed us considerably better than most kids, who just wore shorts, T-shirts, and flip-flops (called "slippers" in Hawaii). Then, I went to an elite boarding school where there was a dress code all the time (no jeans, shirts must have a collar) and we had to wear a jacket and tie to dinner four nights a week, or going to any away athletic meets, as well as other occasions. I was acutely aware that I had a polyester sport coat from Sears, while most of the guys wore wool coats from Brooks Brothers.

Then I married a flight attendant's mother, and we could fly free in first class on United Airlines as long as we wore a sport coat and no jeans. I rarely fly economy now, and wear jeans and a casual shirt in first-class. On Amtrak, I made a point of wearing nice clothes when I rode first-class on Acela, and elsewhere on Amtrak I always try to wear clothes that are (in the words of my prep school) "neat, clean and in good repair."
 
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On the topic of attire, I hope that there are some ugly Amtrak Christmas sweaters among our group this holiday season!

Here's a couple facts. I posted, "I think it's a gimmick that downgrades are sold as appealing to younger generations." Do you remember when Amtrak slashed dining car service during COVID--what did they call it? "Contemporary Dining." They were trying to sell a downgrade as something new and modern.

I also posted, "Who needs sheets and blankets in sleepers?", suggesting that it was a possible downgrade analogous to not wearing socks. May I remind you that Viewliner II's were designed without linen closets?

I work at a convenience store, and see a good cross-section of the community and what people wear. Occasionally, men and women come in dressed in formal attire--they might also dig those clothes out if they were going to be on a nationally-broadcast interview. But most of our clientele is construction workers, and their clothes are grimy and tattered.

My first memories of being concerned about clothing were when I entered elementary school in Hawaii. My mother dressed us considerably better than most kids, who just wore shorts, T-shirts, and flip-flops (called "slippers" in Hawaii). Then, I went to an elite boarding school where there was a dress code all the time (no jeans, shirts must have a collar) and we had to wear a jacket and tie to dinner four nights a week, or going to any away athletic meets, as well as other occasions. I was acutely aware that I had a polyester sport coat from Sears, while most of the guys wore wool coats from Brooks Brothers.

Then I married a flight attendant's mother, and we could fly free in first class on United Airlines as long as we wore a sport coat and no jeans. I rarely fly economy now, and wear jeans and a casual shirt in first-class. On Amtrak, I made a point of wearing nice clothes when I rode first-class on Acela, and elsewhere on Amtrak I always try to wear clothes that are (in the words of my prep school) "neat, clean and in good repair."
Interesting take.

I think you’re drawing too many conclusions from an Amtrak higher up wearing a tight fitting t-shirt (sort of like tech CEO’s) for a promotional video.
 
Apart from the rougher riding, your problems can happen on any Amtrak train. Knocking off the Chief from your list for the staff will eventually result in you knocking off every Amtrak train ever off your list.

I've brought this up before but am I the only one that finds rougher track fun?
To clarify, we are knocking the Chief off our list due to the spouse's lack of enjoyment of the scenery as well as the fact that neither of us could stand the rougher track and the impact that it was having on old back injuries. The dining car service on our trip was superb. Although less than stellar for the SCA, that did not play into our decision to not repeat the route.

We have had far worse SCA in the past and we just didn't tip them at the end of the trip. The SWC SCA got a reduced tip.
 
Like it or not, Amtrak is going after the younger generations and generally speaking they have a less formal vibe than those of us older folk.
I was heartened to share four meals with younger riders, all of which had never taken Amtrak before. That's what Amtrak needs to survive long-term.

Will probably ruffle a few feathers here but I wasn't too worried about how the spokesman was dressed. Then again, I was thrilled to leave a regional public accounting firm that required dress suits, pantyhose, and heels every day. My next gig was at a firm where I could wear pants (gasp!) and dressed to match my clients who were all small business owners.
 
I've brought this up before but am I the only one that finds rougher track fun?
Possibly. Me, I’m old fashioned when it comes to infrastructure. Roads are supposed to be flat, rails are supposed to be smooth, water lines shouldn’t leak, transformers shouldn’t explode, libraries should be open, parks should be mown, and street lights should go on at night. Anything else is poor maintenance, poor planning and under-investment. Only a very small percentage of people are rail fans. It would not be good marketing to target them as the primary market.

When I returned to the U.S. from 15 years overseas I was astonished at the horrible state of streets and roads. (Milwaukee, which was once known for its quality infrastructure, apparently now leases their streets to the Air Force for strafing practice). I think Americans have actually forgotten what public facilities are supposed to be for. Now, It’s bad service, bad economics, and a bad look.

But as has been noted many times, there is no ribbon-cutting for a repaved street.
 
Only a very small percentage of people are rail fans. It would not be good marketing to target them as the primary market.
Oh for sure. I'm not saying we shouldn't strive for smoother lines. But to me, rougher tracks (especially on historical lines like in New Mexico) add to the history and train-vibe. Now, if it was on the NEC.... bit of a different story since it's a much more important and vital rail line.
 
I'm surprised. I really like the Chief's scenery, I think it's about on par (if not better) with the Builders.
My order of scenery is:
-Coast Starlight
-California Zephyr
-Southwest Chief
(I love the fact that, at least when I first rode the line about 12 years ago, there were still a bunch of old ATSF tourist signs along the route)
-Empire Builder

For me, the biggest drawback on both the Zephyr and Chief (and Builder) is the "dead day" east of the Rockies, but that's worst on the Builder.
 
My order of scenery is:
-Coast Starlight
-California Zephyr
-Southwest Chief
(I love the fact that, at least when I first rode the line about 12 years ago, there were still a bunch of old ATSF tourist signs along the route)
-Empire Builder

For me, the biggest drawback on both the Zephyr and Chief (and Builder) is the "dead day" east of the Rockies, but that's worst on the Builder.
Definitely slipping off topic, but I am very surprised to see the Starlight above the Zephyr. I like the Starlight, but like the Zephyr blows everything out of the water. The best things the Starlight has IMO is the coast and Willamette Valley. The Cascades are nice, but not amazing. Now, if it went through Norcal in the daylight....
 
Definitely slipping off topic, but I am very surprised to see the Starlight above the Zephyr. I like the Starlight, but like the Zephyr blows everything out of the water. The best things the Starlight has IMO is the coast and Willamette Valley. The Cascades are nice, but not amazing. Now, if it went through Norcal in the daylight....
It's a matter of taste, but I think the variety of really good scenery on the Starlight is what sells it. I will confess that I'm also biased by a number of years of enjoying the PPC along the coast, but the big thing (for me) is the mix of mountains and seaside running plus the lack of a complete "dead day". I've also enjoyed going by reservoirs/lakes over time and seeing the water levels rise and fall.
 
It's a matter of taste, but I think the variety of really good scenery on the Starlight is what sells it. I will confess that I'm also biased by a number of years of enjoying the PPC along the coast, but the big thing (for me) is the mix of mountains and seaside running plus the lack of a complete "dead day". I've also enjoyed going by reservoirs/lakes over time and seeing the water levels rise and fall.
All valid points. I like the Starligjt more than the Zephyr personally, but I still think the Zephyr has the better scenery. The dead day thing is a very good point though. However I personally love seeing the midwest, I think it’s pretty in its own way
 
That said, there is something absolutely professional about JR's approach - always look as professional as possible.
JR as well as JL, NH, SQ, CX, etc. It might be subconscious but when traveling with well dressed staff the carrier feels more competent.

Like it or not, Amtrak is going after the younger generations and generally speaking they have a less formal vibe than those of us older folk.
That being said my Youtube feed features younger travelers heaping scorn on US carriers and praising Asian carriers, several of which are notorious for featuring classy and immaculate staff. So they either do not mind the staff looking professional or maybe they appreciate it. It just seems like there is little to lose with dressing sharp while something is lost by dressing a bit too casual for customer facing work.
 
JR as well as JL, NH, SQ, CX, etc. It might be subconscious but when traveling with well dressed staff the carrier feels more competent.


That being said my Youtube feed features younger travelers heaping scorn on US carriers and praising Asian carriers, several of which are notorious for featuring classy and immaculate staff. So they either do not mind the staff looking professional or maybe they appreciate it. It just seems like there is little to lose with dressing sharp while something is lost by dressing a bit too casual for customer facing work.
There’s a difference between a random higher up in a corporate promotional video, and the regular working staff who take care of needs on the ground.

I definitely care how every day, public interacting employees, are dressed, and don’t care at all about higher ups.
 
There’s a difference between a random higher up in a corporate promotional video, and the regular working staff who take care of needs on the ground.

I definitely care how every day, public interacting employees, are dressed, and don’t care at all about higher ups.

I'm sorry, but this sounds like class bigotry to me. Lower-down employees who interact with the public have to wear a uniform, but when a higher-up interacts with the public in a promotional video, he can wear whatever he wants? Just because he is "higher up?"

I am glad that most Amtrak employees I see wear uniforms, and I hope that "higher ups" dress well when they interact with Congress and other entities. I feel disrespected by the attire of the gentleman in this video. Is he really a good salesperson for $3,000 Bedrooms?
 
I'm sorry, but this sounds like class bigotry to me. Lower-down employees who interact with the public have to wear a uniform, but when a higher-up interacts with the public in a promotional video, he can wear whatever he wants? Just because he is "higher up?"

I am glad that most Amtrak employees I see wear uniforms, and I hope that "higher ups" dress well when they interact with Congress and other entities. I feel disrespected by the attire of the gentleman in this video. Is he really a good salesperson for $3,000 Bedrooms?
Oof that off the mark.

No, it’s got nothing to do with that. That's sort of like saying that the administrative head of an orchestra not having to wear white tie and tails is "class bigotry." But also, being a higher up has always allowed for a different set of rules. Hierarchical structures define our civilization...

Didn't think that opinion would garner bigotry accusations.
 
Some developing thoughts as a younger person:

1. This dude doesn’t look like he wants to be taken seriously. This was clearly a attempt to be “relevant,” and frankly he’s off. This is like that cringe YouTube video made by that old Christian pastor trying to be relevant “Jesus Christ is my (inappropriate racial slur). He’s a C Suite executive at a federally owned corporation, act like it. Your conductors making a fraction of your salary out dress you. Frankly so do a lot of guys on MOW. Don’t pretend you sat down next to me at the bar. He doesn’t need a three piece suit, but good grief his outfit and demeanor sold his personal trainer a lot better than his railroad. As a young person, I’d articulate the situation as if you know what your doing you don’t have to dress up to be taken seriously, but it helps. This leads to
2. He doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s doing. The video was 10 minutes of talking points about nothing. Gee people like the steak dinners over Hungry Man TV dinners. Color me surprised. She didn’t do so great either. Having ridden, by this point in life, probably 100,000 miles on FRA passenger railroads, let me tell him what makes train service excellent: punctuality, cleanliness, safety, professionalism. Nobody cares if the conductor thanks them for making their 10th trip if they’re sitting in a squalid coach, hours late while some raging lunatic runs up and down the aisle screaming. This makes obvious
3. He ain’t no railroad man. I don’t know and I don’t mean to judge, but he put off this disconnected vibe like he grew up a couple brackets away from the median earner, not that there’s anything wrong with that, but the video is about a Transportation Powerhouse and he’s worried about smiling conductors. The NEC is falling down, the average piece of rolling stock is older than me, OTP is shoddy systemwide, not that official timetables are available to prove it. and he’s worried about smiling conductors. Now Philly’s the kind of place where, on the whole, we’d rather have a competent SOB than a smiling ninny, so I’m coming from that angle. A a lot of conductors smile, but the great ones are the ones who could hit the gravel and tape up an air line like it was nothing, pick that drunk up out of his seat and “detrain” him for making that high school girl uncomfortable, pull out the Form D book and get you home when the signals went dark during rush hour. I had two guys handle my run in every morning, Bernie and Paul, and they were both fine trainmen. Paul carried me home too on. The guy was kinda a pain to deal with at times, but I’d take him over probably two thirds of the people who replaced him because he was a railroader. Bernie was just a superconductor. He was a fine trainman, but he also at that million dollar smile and love of the job that you don’t see too often from people today. I’ve had my share of smiling conductors who weren’t great operators and let me tell you, I’d take Paul threatening to dump me (then a kid) at Broad and Glenwood because I didn’t have my pass (which he’d already seen about 8 times that week) immediately available out of 30th Street any day. The CCO, I gather, would pick the other way. All things being equal, conductors need to be professional, but we don’t need to be besties. Frankly, I wonder what he knows about railroading at all. Maybe he’s the type pushing that Amtrak priority means 100% green signals 100% of the time, regardless of consequence. Does he know what NORAC is? I don’t think every executive at Amtrak should necessarily come out of a blue collar operations job, but I don’t know how you run the railroad never having worked for the railroad, and it seems very obvious right now that the railroad is being run by people who don’t know how to run a railroad. And sure he’s the CCO, not the COO, but he’s got real power in the company.

In closing, I wish he came off a little more professional and had a little more insight. He’d be a hero if he said the age of sassy OBS staff is over, report tyrannical screaming coach attendants to 123-456-7890, or lazy SCA’s to [email protected]. He’d be good if he outlined a concrete 5 point plan. He’d be decent if he dressed a bit better and talked in such a way in the video that convinced me he really understood the intricacies of dining service. All the video really did is convince me those two want to give up on trying to be a Transportation Powerhouse and run a federally subsidized Rocky Mountaineer.
 
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