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I am planning to take SunRail/Lynx to Brightline for my early October trip (assuming it happens). I have not taken Lynx to the airport in over 20 years so it will be a "new" experience for me. I plan to allow myself plenty of time to get lost and then find my way to terminal C. Once Brightline starts running, I hope detailed directions for SunRail/Lynx riders will be available.
Unless things change, I think your best bet would be to get off at Sand Lake, take Link 111 to the Terminal A or B (runs hourly most of the day), and then the APM to the train station.

https://www.golynx.com/maps-schedul..._1_1=showPublicPosting&calendar_entry_id=7914
BTW, I hate Lynx' website -- worst transit website I've seen IMO.
 
Maybe so if there are two of you. Carting luggage to Sunrail to a Lynx bus to the airport may be worth springing for the $25 Uber quotes (on a Saturday). But we’re still planning on Sunrail/bus to the terminal when Sunrail service starts next year to Deland.
I'll probably drive. The South economy lot costs $10 a day, and the shuttle from that lot stops at Terminal C.

No SunRail station anywhere near my place, due west of Orlando.
 
Every train on the schedule has a travel time of over 3.5 hours. What happened to the 2 hours, 59 minutes travel time that was promised?
I believe I saw somewhere (might have been on another thread here) that the speed on some sections between W. Palm & Cocoa is restricted to 90 mph until additional safety features are installed on the grade crossings.
 
Every train on the schedule has a travel time of over 3.5 hours. What happened to the 2 hours, 59 minutes travel time that was promised?
Maybe a bit of schedule padding to accommodate unforeseen delays for the first couple months? Plus the reduced top speeds that Joel noted?
Bright wants to gain a reputation for on-time service, I am sure, so starting out at a "brisk walk" may be a good way to do so. They can get up to running speed early next year.
 
Maybe a bit of schedule padding to accommodate unforeseen delays for the first couple months? Plus the reduced top speeds that Joel noted?
Bright wants to gain a reputation for on-time service, I am sure, so starting out at a "brisk walk" may be a good way to do so. They can get up to running speed early next year.
They haven't even yet been able to get the time between WPB and MIA to 60 minutes in the last 4 years. They've also stopped posting their on-time performance.
 
They haven't even yet been able to get the time between WPB and MIA to 60 minutes in the last 4 years. They've also stopped posting their on-time performance.
Thats a bit of a broad stroke. Ive ridden WPB-MIA and WPB-FTL several times in last 36 months and all on time or close enough it didnt matter. Dont know if you have taken a ride but its a good experience imo. Then again there have been lots of incidents which skews performance.
 
Every train on the schedule has a travel time of over 3.5 hours. What happened to the 2 hours, 59 minutes travel time that was promised?
The 2 hour 59 minute travel time was advertised specifically (misleadingly?) for Miami-Orlando express trains. But I have yet to see any evidence that Brightline was ever planning to actually run an express train. Just for comparison, during early planning, 3 hours 2 minutes was the goal with two intermediate stops, FTL and WPB.
 
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they advertise fares, but don't say where to?
I get lots of emails from SWA advertising fares from $49, with no indication where.

But in this case, since they're talking about opening of Orlando service, it's pretty clear that it's between Orlando and somewhere in S. FL. If it's not, then it's misleading advertising IMO.
 
I've been checking out the schedules and fares. The $79 fare applies between Orlando and any S. FL location. It looks like most trains on most days start out at $79, except for the 7pm train which usually starts at $99. (I'm quoting approximate departure times; actual times are up to 10 minutes before or after the hour or half-hour.)

The schedule starts on 9/22 with 6 trains a day from ORL, running roughly every 2 hours from 6:30am to 7pm with no 1pm train. Starting 10/3, it goes to 8 trains a day M-F, adding a 4:30am and the 1pm train, but 7 a day on weekends. On 10/24, full service begins with 16 trains 7 days a week: 5am, 5:30am, then hourly from 6:50am-6:50pm, and a late train at 8:50pm.

There are still forward-facing window seats available on the 9/22 6:38am train (apparently the first revenue run), including table seats. (BTW, the seat selector was working for me, but not the car selector.) Looks like the 9/22 10:54 train is the most popular; the fare's at $99 and it defaulted to the last car, showing about half the seats in that car taken.
 
Dont know if you have taken a ride but its a good experience imo.
I like Brightline and I can't wait to use the service from Orlando to Miami. I think they will be successful and I hope that they are. The "good experience" depends on what you are looking for. The stations themselves add alot to the experience - the nice waiting areas that are beyond secure gates meaning only ticketed passengers definitely adds to the higher-class of experience. The trains themselves are brand new, so naturally they are quite nice. I like the automatic doors and the gap-filler between the train and the platform is great.

But on my trips I've run across some customer service issues. A fully wrapped train meaning I can't look out the window at all (the wraps give me a headache, I can't be the only one). Once, one of the doors didn't open at the station, and the Conductor guy (or whoever he was?) yelled at the passengers throught the car and acted like they were stupid for expecting the door to open. On Amtrak, NJ Transit, MARC, etc, it's very common for announcements to be made about which doors will or will not open. Same for delays, on Brightline the train just stopped for 5-10 minutes with no announcement or update. Usually on Amtrak there is an announcement.
 
Code:
2021    November     61,045     0.6         $  582,979    $ 9.83    $ 9.55    0.8     $13.11
2021    December     95,348     1.3         $1,259,547    $13.63    $13.21    1.6     $13.63

2021                156,393     1.8         $1,842,309    $11.51    $11.78    2.4*    $15.34

Year    Month       Ridership   Tix Rev-A    Tix Rev-B     PPR-A     PPR-B    Tot Rev  Total PPR
2022    January      64,243     1.3         $1,254,666    $20.24    $19.53    1.5     $23.35
2022    February     77,806     1.6         $1,624,589    $20.56    $20.88    1.9     $24.42
2022    March       107,069     2.3         $2,289,135    $21.48    $21.38    2.7     $25.22
2022    April        93,922     1.9         $1,926,340    $20.23    $20.51    2.3     $24.49
2022    May         102,796     2.2         $2,178,247    $21.40    $21.19    2.6     $25.29
2022    June         92,304     1.7         $1,713,162    $18.42    $18.56    2.1     $22.75
2022    July        111,582     1.9         $1,896,894    $17.03    $17.00    2.3     $20.61
2022    August      100,116     1.9         $1,917,221    $18.98    $19.15    2.4     $23.97
2022    September    91,577     1.8         $1,769,268    $19.66    $19.32    2.5     $27.30
2022    October     102,615     2.1         $2,126,183    $20.46    $20.72    3.0     $29.24
2022    November    102,544     2.2         $2,213,925    $21.45    $21.59    3.4     $33.16
2022    December    183,920     3.7         $3,733,576    $20.12    $20.30    5.1     $27.73
                    
2022                1,230,494  24.6        $24,643,207    $19.99             31.8     $25.84

2023    January     156,137     3.5         $3,538,064    $22.41    $22.66    4.7     $30.10
2023    February    151,654     3.7         $3,654,861    $24.39    $24.10    4.7     $30.99
2023    March       179,576     4.7         $4,710,278    $26.17    $26.23    6.5     $36.20
2023    April       151,080     3.4         $3,446,135    $22.50    $22.81    4.9     $32.43
2023    May         168,137     3.5         $3,468,666    $20.82    $20.63    5.2     $30.93
2023    June        149,536     2.7         $2,706,602    $18.06    $18.10    4.2     $28.09
2023    July        156,478     2.8         $2,818,169    $17.89    $18.01    4.3     $27.50

                                Filing      Derived       Derived   Filing    Filing  Derived

It looks like YOY ridership increases at the original three stations are sitting at about 10%. Most new ridership has been attributable to Boca/Aventura.
Ignoring March as an irregularity (I think they were able to add some trains briefly), the service has settled into about 150-160k/month riders. That's about 5,000/day (note that the longer months - Jan/Mar/May/Jul - all have slightly higher ridership). Basically, it looks like Brightline can manage that level as things stand, but a significant increase seems to require additional capacity.
 
Will Brightline break out Orlando figures from these present figures. If not September and future months will be difficult to know actual growth.
 
Will Brightline break out Orlando figures from these present figures. If not September and future months will be difficult to know actual growth.
This is uncertain, but given that Brightline has generally broken out two lines for South Florida and Long Distance, it seems likely.
 
Thats a bit of a broad stroke. Ive ridden WPB-MIA and WPB-FTL several times in last 36 months and all on time or close enough it didnt matter. Dont know if you have taken a ride but its a good experience imo. Then again there have been lots of incidents which skews performance.
I think they are capable of running on time. Problem is, their on-time is 15 minutes between MIA and WPB and 45 minutes between MIA and MCO longer than they are/were advertising.

As far as the on-board experience goes, I was not comfortable on the train between WPB and FLL. I cannot imagine a 3:45 ride MCO to MIA. Leather may sound luxurious, but as a former business jet interiors engineer, many executives with $50M+ jets prefer cloth over leather because they are more comfortable. Back to trains - even the first class Green Cars in Japan are mostly (if not all) cloth.

Not trying to be a nay-sayer. I love Brightline and its concept. I root for private rail travel in the US and feel it's the only way to get great, reliable, consistent service.
 
It looks like YOY ridership increases at the original three stations are sitting at about 10%. Most new ridership has been attributable to Boca/Aventura.
Ignoring March as an irregularity (I think they were able to add some trains briefly), the service has settled into about 150-160k/month riders. That's about 5,000/day (note that the longer months - Jan/Mar/May/Jul - all have slightly higher ridership). Basically, it looks like Brightline can manage that level as things stand, but a significant increase seems to require additional capacity.
Do you think local ridership will prevent full utilization of service to Orlando? IE: Will people be prevented from going to Orlando from MIA because too many people booked those seats between MIA and WPB?
 
Leather may sound luxurious, but as a former business jet interiors engineer, many executives with $50M+ jets prefer cloth over leather because they are more comfortable
Leather and vinyl are much more easy to thoroughly clean than cloth.

I root for private rail travel in the US and feel it's the only way to get great, reliable, consistent service.
Lol Brightline is far from fully private with all the government funding they've gotten. Just wait til they jack up the prices once Orlando starts.
 
Leather and vinyl are much more easy to thoroughly clean than cloth.


Lol Brightline is far from fully private with all the government funding they've gotten. Just wait til they jack up the prices once Orlando starts.
Just getting government funding does not make a company non private though.
 
But it's certainly not "the only way to get great, reliable, consistent service."
When you have a profit to defend, you tend to do your best. Any government funding they've received have been in the form of bonds or tax breaks. If you define those as making a company "public" vs "private", you've about identified every business in the country in some form or another.

Outside of federal/state regulators, Brightline doesn't answer to taxpayers. They answer to shareholders.

I can't think of one thing that the government does better or more efficiently than the public sector - especially in transportation.
 
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