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Several people have brought up the California high speed rail project. This is from today's Sacramento Bee:

http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1130046.html

Generally, the route chosen reduces the number of people it will serve in order to satisfy communities that are afraid of the train coming through their area. Today's story is that environmental organizations may take a position against the bond and possibly also sue for more environmental impact reports. The Sierra Club and Howard Jarvis are not usually on the same side of an issue.

One other point that I don't see mentioned often: This will be a Parsons Brinckerhoff project in part. They have a real bad reputation around here for completing projects late and over budget. Some cynics think their business plan is to encourage change orders (with accompanying payment).
 
The average American isn't even aware that Amtrak exists as a travel option, let alone see it as a benefit! And most American's experience with trains has to do with waiting for one of those %*#$@ freight trains getting in my way and holding me up!! They have absolutely no perception of the need for any kind of train.
You're absolutely right that most Americans don't even know Amtrak could get them to the place they want to to, sometimes at an even better price!

This isn't exactly OT to what your point is, but it brought up a thought that I had awhile back: online travel agencies (Travelocity, Expedia, Orbitz, Cheaptickets.com, etc.) and metasearchers (Kayak, Sidestep, etc.) should return Amtrak itineraries right in line with airline itineraries when people search for a city pair served by Amtrak. If more people see the option to travel by train, and the fare is low enough and the time is competitive enough, we just might see more bookings! I think such a thing would do absolute wonders for getting the word out that Amtrak exists and is a viable option. (Of course, availability would instantly shoot to sold out, and none of us would ever get to ride the train again, but hopefully if Amtrak becomes that popular, enough people will scream to Congress that the train is "always sold out" and that Congress should authorize capital funding for more equipment.

I've already submitted feedback to Kayak suggesting this, and I don't remember if they replied to me or not, but it still hasn't happened (I figured that a smaller company like that would be more likely to take the time to implement such a thing). But it seems strange that Amtrak isn't pushing to be listed on the online travel agencies, since they already are set up through the GDS systems and do pay commission to travel agents.

The closest thing that exists right now is a link on Travelocity under the "Cars/Rail" tab (see here), which links to Amtrak's home page (presumably with a referrer that tracks back to Travelocity so they get a little booking bonus or commission or something). That's not good enough--for enough people to notice it to create a critical mass and get in the public's eye, it needs to be as prominent as literally listing the trip option right in line with the airfare results--in other words, if I search for "Washington DC" to "Chicago," the first option would be the CL (first if sorted by fare, anyway, since it's almost guaranteed to be cheaper than any airfare between the two).

Is this doable? Anyone with the ear of Mr. Kummant or other Amtrak higher-ups (hmm, Rafi? ;) ) want to suggest this? :D
 
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The average American isn't even aware that Amtrak exists as a travel option, let alone see it as a benefit! And most American's experience with trains has to do with waiting for one of those %*#$@ freight trains getting in my way and holding me up!! They have absolutely no perception of the need for any kind of train.
You're absolutely right that most Americans don't even know Amtrak could get them to the place they want to to, sometimes at an even better price!

This isn't exactly OT to what your point is, but it brought up a thought that I had awhile back: online travel agencies (Travelocity, Expedia, Orbitz, Cheaptickets.com, etc.) and metasearchers (Kayak, Sidestep, etc.) should return Amtrak itineraries right in line with airline itineraries when people search for a city pair served by Amtrak. If more people see the option to travel by train, and the fare is low enough and the time is competitive enough, we just might see more bookings! I think such a thing would do absolute wonders for getting the word out that Amtrak exists and is a viable option. (Of course, availability would instantly shoot to sold out, and none of us would ever get to ride the train again, but hopefully if Amtrak becomes that popular, enough people will scream to Congress that the train is "always sold out" and that Congress should authorize capital funding for more equipment.

I've already submitted feedback to Kayak suggesting this, and I don't remember if they replied to me or not, but it still hasn't happened (I figured that a smaller company like that would be more likely to take the time to implement such a thing). But it seems strange that Amtrak isn't pushing to be listed on the online travel agencies, since they already are set up through the GDS systems and do pay commission to travel agents.

The closest thing that exists right now is a link on Travelocity under the "Cars/Rail" tab (see here), which links to Amtrak's home page (presumably with a referrer that tracks back to Travelocity so they get a little booking bonus or commission or something). That's not good enough--for enough people to notice it to create a critical mass and get in the public's eye, it needs to be as prominent as literally listing the trip option right in line with the airfare results--in other words, if I search for "Washington DC" to "Chicago," the first option would be the CL (first if sorted by fare, anyway, since it's almost guaranteed to be cheaper than any airfare between the two).

Is this doable? Anyone with the ear of Mr. Kummant or other Amtrak higher-ups (hmm, Rafi? ;) ) want to suggest this? :D
I think its an excellent idea, and something that I've thought about in the past myself. As a trial, perhaps they should start with just the NEC or just Acelas or something, and then branch it out to corridor services and ultimately LD services. I think the largest problem would be is that people tend to enter just airport codes (well, at least I do). JFK to BTV isn't going to pull up NYP to ESX. However, perhaps they could have a box that would say "include nearby rail itineraries" or that train trips would come up whenever one searched for nearby airports. Or, after one searches JFK to BTV, they'd be a link at the top of the page that says "Or, travel by train for $54" that one could click.
 
I think its an excellent idea, and something that I've thought about in the past myself. As a trial, perhaps they should start with just the NEC or just Acelas or something, and then branch it out to corridor services and ultimately LD services. I think the largest problem would be is that people tend to enter just airport codes (well, at least I do). JFK to BTV isn't going to pull up NYP to ESX. However, perhaps they could have a box that would say "include nearby rail itineraries" or that train trips would come up whenever one searched for nearby airports. Or, after one searches JFK to BTV, they'd be a link at the top of the page that says "Or, travel by train for $54" that one could click.
And then there's the issue that sometimes there's a train station that's closer than the airport. If you want LAF and aren't used to thinking about trains, you're probably going to be looking for IND. On the other hand, if you're actually trying to get to LAF from BOS and don't feel like killing six hours in Chicago, you might want SOB if you can get a ride from there.

And the benefits of sleeping cars are also not obvious to the average airline traveler. About 119 months ago, I actually thought it was a good idea to take a bus instead of a train from BOS to LAF because the bus was faster, and took the bus. And then realized that 24 hour bus trips just aren't very desireable.
 
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Considering that right now there are six trains daily that are reasonably full even though it take bus rides on both ends to get to either SF or LA, and about 10 hours downtown to downtown, once you can make the trip in under 3 hours in the same seat, the problem with the system will probably be insufficient capacity rather than lack of ridership.
What sort of capacity problems?

A failure to order enough trainsets?

Capacity on tracks shared with commuter rail services inside the populated area?

What are the tightest headways that can typically be achieved on 300 km/h + track? Does stopping distance end up meaning 3 minute headways can't be achieved?
 
What are the tightest headways that can typically be achieved on 300 km/h + track? Does stopping distance end up meaning 3 minute headways can't be achieved?
On TGV lines 3 minutes headway is about the norm. Stopping distance isn't normally a problem as everything is moving at the same speed and the in cab signalling is clever enough to let the driver know if he is being bought to a complete stand or just slowing down for a speed restriction.

At the few stations actually located on the LGV lines then high speed turnouts and lengthy passing loops for each platform means a train can come to a stand , be overtaken by a following train then carry on after its normal short station stop.

Few years ago I was on a TGV from Lyon to Lille and we stopped at Haute Picadie just north of Paris. We slowed for the stop , came to a stand in the platform, and before the doors could open, we were overtaken on the passing line by another TGV travelling at 300kph.

2 minutes for station work, doors closed then off we go!

All very impressive.
 
What sort of capacity problems?
A failure to order enough trainsets?

Capacity on tracks shared with commuter rail services inside the populated area?

What are the tightest headways that can typically be achieved on 300 km/h + track? Does stopping distance end up meaning 3 minute headways can't be achieved?
Failure to order enough trainsets because ridership will exceed projections.

There will not be track capacity problems, as such. There may need to be station track changes if traffic gets too heavy. It is unlikely that 3 minute headways will ever be a necessity, given that 1000 passenger trains are reasonably possible.
 
On the East Coast, Amtrak should offer the following high speed services. NE and SE Regionals would serve all stations from MIA-ATL-WAS/NYP/BOS but not all travel the entire route. Long distance trains (Silver Service, Palmetto, Crescent) would travel the entire route, with less intermediate stops than Regionals as the long distance passengers could connect w/ frequent regionals. Some Acelas could run through service to MIA/ATL from WAS/NYP and others (Acela Southeast?) could run ATL-WAS w/ few stops. Stopping time should be reduced.

All services woul be on new, electric high speed(186MPH) trainsets w/ 320-400 seats and 3 classes. Seatback entertainment would be available. Travel times from MIA-NYP with Florida East Coast right-of way would be 7hrs 45 min on Acela services.

We need to contact our congressmen an LET THEM KNOW we want High Speed Rail and Amtrak. It is all doable. its been done in Japan and Europe and beats flying in travel time and comfort.
 
I really hope that once Amtrak starts to have trains that do less acceleration / deceleration than is required on the existing NEC, they find some way to market the trains that doesn't emphasize acceleration the way the name Acela does.

Local stops and high speed rail probably don't mix especially well. High speed track needs to be very straight. That means that you can't build it through the middle of a populated area unless you had the foresight to build very straight track through an area before that area became populated. Somewhere I have read criticism of the TGV system that there have been local stops built in the middle of nowhere, which I think is something we ought to try to avoid repeating in the US.

Having conventional speed commuter rail systems going into the same stations served by the high speed rail system makes lots of sense, though.

The existing long distance routes are running on freight tracks. There are certainly a few places where the freight tracks have some excess capacity that could allow more frequent passenger service, but the existing long distance routes probably cannot support pasenger service once an hour without a lot of investment in new track.
 
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Failure to order enough trainsets because ridership will exceed projections.
That strikes me as not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I wouldn't be surprised if the needed trainsets that aren't included in the initial order will cost less than the cost overruns that will occur in building the right of way, and I wouldn't be surprised if unexpected delays in building the right of way end up delaying the project for longer than the time from when the extra trainsets are ordered to when they're delivered.
 
Local stops and high speed rail probably don't mix especially well. High speed track needs to be very straight. That means that you can't build it through the middle of a populated area unless you had the foresight to build very straight track through an area before that area became populated. Somewhere I have read criticism of the TGV system that there have been local stops built in the middle of nowhere, which I think is something we ought to try to avoid repeating in the US.
Then again, planning for local stops in what is now the middle of nowhere, and constructing those stops only as part of a transit oriented development project might be a very good idea.
 
This thread has some discussion of service to Allentown, with a population (for the primary census area) of about 0.8 million. If it turns out that only 20 miles or so of high speed track are required to connect Allentown to the high speed network, connecting Allentown might almost be as cost effective in terms of capital invested per passenger served as building 200 or so miles of high speed track from New York City to Hartford (1.3 million), Springfield (0.7 million), and Boston (7.5 million). For the smaller cities, population therefore is perhaps not the only metric that should be considered in deciding where to build high speed track.

Another interesting anomoly is that Alburquerque plus Santa Fe have a popluation of just over one million, but they're treated as separate primary census areas. This is in spite of significant commuter ties allegedly being a major factor in determining primary census areas, and commuter rail service between them being planned for the near future.
 
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It occured to me several hours ago that, while a 2000+ mile bridge from southern California to Oahu wouldn't be cheap, it may actually be cheaper per mile than the typical land-based high speed rail, since land based high speed rail can end up needing tunnels along a significant fraction of the length of the right of way, and tunnels seem to be many times more expensive per mile than bridges.

And if there were a similar bridge from Oahu to Japan and from there to China, it's possible that building those bridges with two 79 MPH heavy freight tracks and two 300 MPH passenger tracks would not come anywhere close to having enough cargo capacity if a goal of the bridges were to electrify freight that would otherwise come by oil-burning boat, given that we have at least one overfull double tracked transcon on the US mainland, and those bridges may need roughly the same capacity as the total of the US mainland transcons. That might suggest that six freight tracks and two passenger / high speed freight tracks might be about right.
 
I got thinking about how many different train routes might be possible along track between New York City and Chicago if several branches are in place. West of New York City, I'm thinking the set of branches might be something like:

Express to Chicago

Allentown

Pittsburgh, Columbus, Dayton, Cincinnati

(go past Pittsburgh, Columbus, Dayton without stopping) Indianapolis, St Louis, Kansas City, Denver, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Los Angeles

Toledo, Detroit

Cleveland, Erie

On the east end of the New York City to Chicago route, potential destinations might be something like

New York City

Albany, Montreal

Hartford (possibly continuing to New Haven)

Springfield

high speed track to the Massachusetts/Connectiut/Rhode Island border with trains continuing onto more conventional speed track, with one branch going into downtown Boston, another going along the Rhode Island portion of the existing NEC, and possibly a third to Hyannis.

That's potentially 6 routes to the west and 7 to the east, for 42 possible combinations; double track would likely not support 42 trains an hour in each direction. Then again, I suspect the number of people who want to go from Allentown to Hyannis does not justify direct service, and there are probably some more examples like that.
 
On the other hand, most travelers who have a bit of experience with trains seem to find that if their trip happens to be doable in about 3 hours or less by train, the train is a better choice than the plane.
I could point out the examples of London to Manchester and London to Paris, where the markets for air travel dimished to the point of being almost entirely composed of the passengers connecting onto longer haul flights once the journey time was reduced to under three hours.

In terms of the direct costs of providing airports, the various hidden subsidies to airlines, and the external environmental costs - air quality, noise for local residents and long term climate change - a project that destroys a large air market should always make long term financial sense, and this understanding is what's finally won out for California High Speed Rail.
 
I could point out the examples of London to Manchester and London to Paris, where the markets for air travel dimished to the point of being almost entirely composed of the passengers connecting onto longer haul flights once the journey time was reduced to under three hours.
Would better rail connections to airports kill the demand for those connecting flights, or is part of the problem that you have to absorb the time to go through the security when you're on the long-haul flight anyway, and so the slightly slower time of the train then can't compete with the short haul flight? Or is the issue that a guaranteed connection booked through a single carrier is a win, and the airlines aren't working together with the railroads adequately?

In terms of the direct costs of providing airports, the various hidden subsidies to airlines, and the external environmental costs - air quality, noise for local residents and long term climate change - a project that destroys a large air market should always make long term financial sense, and this understanding is what's finally won out for California High Speed Rail.
There's also the foreign energy dependency. It's quite obvious that we know how to power electric trains from domestic energy. It's not obvious whether biofuels will ever be a pratical way to power airplanes, and I really doubt battery power will ever be a viable option for airplanes.
 
I could point out the examples of London to Manchester and London to Paris, where the markets for air travel dimished to the point of being almost entirely composed of the passengers connecting onto longer haul flights once the journey time was reduced to under three hours.
Would better rail connections to airports kill the demand for those connecting flights, or is part of the problem that you have to absorb the time to go through the security when you're on the long-haul flight anyway, and so the slightly slower time of the train then can't compete with the short haul flight? Or is the issue that a guaranteed connection booked through a single carrier is a win, and the airlines aren't working together with the railroads adequately?
The two main London airports (Heathrow and Gatwick) are pretty well rail connected, however to get to either from somewhere like Manchester or Leeds involves a train and then a long journey on the underground (for Heathrow), or a train, the underground and another train (for either airport). A connecting flight which is just a one-seat transfer. Usually one tries to reduce the number of changes, as it reduces the chances of things going wrong. If there are any delays en-route you could miss your boarding deadline (or you need to build in so much padding that it becomes an even longer jounrey).

It can also be cheaper to get a connecting flight, given that at certain times of day an open return ticket from Manchester to London can be in excess of £200 - a bargain airfare to NY isn't much more than that!
 
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The two main London airports (Heathrow and Gatwick) are pretty well rail connected, however to get to either from somewhere like Manchester or Leeds involves a train and then a long journey on the underground (for Heathrow), or a train, the underground and another train (for either airport). A connecting flight which is just a one-seat transfer. Usually one tries to reduce the number of changes, as it reduces the chances of things going wrong. If there are any delays en-route you could miss your boarding deadline (or you need to build in so much padding that it becomes an even longer jounrey).
I'm trying to figure out how that compares to various airports along the NEC. The MBTA SL1 bus goes directly between South Station and the Logan Airport terminals (with an awkward mode shift between diesel and overhead electric power, and a handful of intermediate non-airport stops). T F Green Airport in Rhode Island is having a train station built about 1/4 mile from the terminal, probably with a moving sidewalk aka horizontal escalator to move people between the train and the terminal. Newark Airport has an Amtrak / NJT station which is connected to the terminals via a shuttle train. BWI has a shuttle bus from its train station to the terminals. Philadelphia's commuter rail train goes directly to the airport terminals, but there's no Amtrak service at the airport terminals, so one has to transfer to Amtrak in downtown Philadelphia.

It seems like all of these US airports are somewhat better than train + underground + train, but the shuttle services between the airport terminals and the train station everywhere except T F Green aren't ideal.

(Back before the SL1 bus existed, I've also done trips that were something like bus to Red Line to Green Line to Blue Line to airport shuttle bus, though there are enough combinations possible that I'm not sure if I've ever literally done that exact routing; on the other hand, that whole trip is well under an hour and a half one way from where I lived at the time.)
 
It seems like all of these US airports are somewhat better than train + underground + train, but the shuttle services between the airport terminals and the train station everywhere except T F Green aren't ideal.
I guess the equivalant would be Poughkeepsie to Newark Liberty International Airport. LIRR to Grand Central, NYC subway to Penn and then Amtrak to EWR.

Of course, it all depends where you start your journey. The way the rails into London are setup, there are at least 5 major terminal stations in the city, so if you need to make a transfer onto a train that depart from a different terminus, you usually need to get the underground between them.
 
I guess the equivalant would be Poughkeepsie to Newark Liberty International Airport. LIRR to Grand Central, NYC subway to Penn and then Amtrak to EWR.
Maybe you mean Metro-North and not LIRR? I'm pretty sure that while half the tunnels to get LIRR to Grand Central were built three decades ago, LIRR only serves NYP.

Of course, it all depends where you start your journey. The way the rails into London are setup, there are at least 5 major terminal stations in the city, so if you need to make a transfer onto a train that depart from a different terminus, you usually need to get the underground between them.
That sounds like a problem that would affect a lot more than just airport connections.

Chicago has multiple downtown commuter rail stations, but I gather that they're relatively close together.

Boston and New York City each have two major downtown terminals, and Philadephia used to also.

Do the trains in London serve the airport terminals directly, or is a separate shuttle train/bus involved?
 
Would better rail connections to airports kill the demand for those connecting flights, or is part of the problem that you have to absorb the time to go through the security when you're on the long-haul flight anyway, and so the slightly slower time of the train then can't compete with the short haul flight? Or is the issue that a guaranteed connection booked through a single carrier is a win, and the airlines aren't working together with the railroads adequately?
A connecting flight will always be more convenient for some passengers, and there's no getting around that. However, there will be many passengers like me who prefer that a long haul journey only involve taking off and landing once, getting seated on a plane and queuing to disembark once, and the other necessary pains of air travel once, and at the more extreme end of things, domestic flights may have to be legislated against if the government finally realisies that the reason that there isn't sufficient capacity at our airports for economically beneficial international flights is the unnecessary domestic flights in their way.

And so with both things in mind, the railway certainly could do a lot more, for instance working to provide through booking and guaranteed connections, in order to gain even more custom from short haul domestic flights.

For example, I was returning to my parents' house, 2 hours north of Leeds, from New York LaGuardia, and my flights were delayed considerably; and I had reservation on a connecting train from London King's Cross with a ticket that was non-transferable from the reserved train. I had the panic of what to say and do if the conductor got nasty about this, and I got the helpful staff at Toronto Pearson, where I had to change, to print out a copy of my check-in record so I could present it to the conductor as evidence to back me up on why he shouldn't require me to purchase another ticket. Thus I lacked the peace of mind that I would have had if I'd known they'd put me on a flight all the way back home free of charge, however long I might have to wait for it. A through-booked ticket onto the train would have given me that same peace of mind.

(As it happened, I simply showed the conductor my travel ticket and he never asked for my reservation; but had he asked for it, and seen I was on the wrong train, he would not have been happy).

There's also the foreign energy dependency. It's quite obvious that we know how to power electric trains from domestic energy. It's not obvious whether biofuels will ever be a pratical way to power airplanes, and I really doubt battery power will ever be a viable option for airplanes.
That's also an extremely good point. In the long term, lessening foreign energy dependence could be a tangible benefit to national security, and if there already were more electric trains and fewer flights, and more commuter rail and fewer cars, perhaps several wars already need never have been fought. Also, let's remember that Biofuels are part of the reason for disastrous rises in food prices, and will never be a substitute for tried and tested, reliable electricity-through-overhead-wires technology.

Do the trains in London serve the airport terminals directly, or is a separate shuttle train/bus involved?
That is one thing London does well. Gatwick, Stanstead and Heathrow are all directly connected by conventional rail, with both premium express services and cheaper, slower services, however all suffer from serving only one terminal, requiring a transfer from any of the others on the not very suitable for luggage London Underground.(I enjoy the chance to use the system, but others will see it as more of an inconvenience). In Heathrow's case, both conventional rail and underground trains stop right underneath the terminals.
 
A connecting flight will always be more convenient for some passengers, and there's no getting around that. However, there will be many passengers like me who prefer that a long haul journey only involve taking off and landing once, getting seated on a plane and queuing to disembark once, and the other necessary pains of air travel once, and at the more extreme end of things, domestic flights may have to be legislated against if the government finally realisies that the reason that there isn't sufficient capacity at our airports for economically beneficial international flights is the unnecessary domestic flights in their way.
And so with both things in mind, the railway certainly could do a lot more, for instance working to provide through booking and guaranteed connections, in order to gain even more custom from short haul domestic flights.
I don't think explicit legislation against domestic flights makes sense.

However, I do favor trips which take over 3 hours by train having roomettes available for maybe 10% less than the cost of a coach plane ticket, so that people won't take the plane to save money. Anytime fares are higher than that, it's evidence that Congress isn't spending enough money buying sleepers.

Maybe it makes sense to have legislation that says that airports that have parallel runways or are looking to have federal funding to get a parallel runway added need to have credible rail access in place before more airport expansion will be funded with federal dollars.

Then you get into the question of whath counts as adequate rail access. For Logan Airport, does the MBTA SL1 bus count? What about the shuttle bus that runs between the terminals and the MBTA Blue Line station? Those mass transit options are both imperfect to my mind, but I'm also not sure it's possible to do much better at any price tag. Even with an infinite track, tunnel, and bridge construction budget, I'm not sure Amtrak would ever really want to have its regular trains stop at Logan, because doing that would be a bit of a detour from other stations of interest.

Airports not remotely close to any rail service also bring up some interesting problems. On the other hand, I'm not sure I'd object to telling Phoenix that if they don't want rail, they don't get federal dollars with which to grow their airport.

There should be legislation to require that passengers arriving via a delayed train get the same treatment as a passenger arriving via a delayed flight by the carrier the passenger is transfering to, at least to the extent of not being charged to be put on the next available flight. Likewise, boarding Amtrak (or any other train operator directly serving an airport station that has reservations, but I don't think there are any) when transfering from a plane, Amtrak should accomodate passengers of delayed flights by letting them board the next available train at no additional charge. Maybe this should require buying the train and plane tickets on a single reservation.

Checked luggage transfers between Amtrak and the airlines may also be possible, except that there's so little checked luggage service on the NEC where most of the airports of interest are that maybe this wouldn't work too well. A guaranteed plane to Amtrak connection certainly ought to allow the passengers time to collect checked luggage from the airline.

Then again, if high speed service ends up requiring EMU trainsets to get good adhesion at a sane overall weight, and if crashworthiness ends up making a good argument for keeping revenue passengers out of the lead car, maybe there will be lots of space for checked luggage in the cab car on every high speed train.

Some of the Essential Air Service destinations strike me as much more cost effectively served by airplane than by rail, so I think that maintaining some domestic air service makes sense. I also think America ought to be a place that offers people choices, and if people want to sit in a coach airline seat going from Boston to LA in half the time the trip would take by a sleeper that goes over 200 MPH or faster track for just about the whole route badly enough to pay 10% more and some airline wants to offer them the service, I don't think we should stop them with legislation.

That's also an extremely good point. In the long term, lessening foreign energy dependence could be a tangible benefit to national security, and if there already were more electric trains and fewer flights, and more commuter rail and fewer cars, perhaps several wars already need never have been fought. Also, let's remember that Biofuels are part of the reason for disastrous rises in food prices, and will never be a substitute for tried and tested, reliable electricity-through-overhead-wires technology.
I'm not quite that pessimistic about the potential of biofuels. IIRC, the current generation of biofuels causing problems for food prices involve corn being converted to ethanol. Corn is probably overproduced in the US if we weren't trying to use it for more things than it should perhaps be used for, and there's a theoretical argument that animals raised to produce beef would be better off eating grass than corn. (On the other hand, I don't really like the taste of the grass fed beef I have eaten on a few occasions; then again, my favorite beef seems to be that which carries the organic label, and I don't think I've ever seen beef that's described as both organic and grass fed.)

This article suggests that algae may require less land area, and that the area of Maryland would be sufficient to grow enough biofuel for the US; I haven't figured out whether there's one Maryland of unused land in the US that can be provided with sufficient water to make this work, and I really don't know whether there would be any other major problems with doing that. If this would require massive amounts of chemical fertilizer and pesticide, there might end up being some environmental damage from that.
 
Some would say there's an unused maryland, and that it is Maryland itself :( :(

Just minutes from DC, the most atrocious ghetto on the earth that Maryland has the unfortunate burden of geographically containing, are acres upon acres of turf farms.

Turf farms are sadly common in the Midwest and East. They're nigh on ubiquitous in some areas. Thousands of acres of grass is rather worthless as a farm, but at least it is more appealing than a swamp of algae as far as the eye can see. If you start growing algae for profit, there will be algae farms everywhere. When it was announced that a startup in the midwest could make ethanol from sawgrass for a buck a gallon, there was interest in actually switching land to just growing that rot.

There would be some reason that the algae farm couldn't be shoved into the desert or the prairie, and I'd be surrounded by endless amounts of organisms that I spend large amounts of money on to kill in the pool.

Maybe the feds and green freaks should think about letting humble Maryland have her second nuclear reactor already--that's a far more viable and economic source of energy than some quagmire of algae the likes of which no one has seen before.

If there's algae to be farmed, we're going to have it over here, and we don't want it.

(**Remember that the Daniel Boone National Forest is one of the world's largest growers of marijuana, and produces the most potent strains to be found. Our "half" of the nation is already growing crap that we'd rather be without. 2 types of grass and then algae...the dominant crops of the most fertile part of our nation? Forget it.)
 
Maybe the feds and green freaks should think about letting humble Maryland have her second nuclear reactor already--that's a far more viable and economic source of energy than some quagmire of algae the likes of which no one has seen before.
It's not clear how you power automobiles or airplanes from a nuclear reactor (or a wind farm or a coal plant).
 
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