Disobedience on Amtrak

[Qapla]

Over 50 nurses at the hospital where my wife is employed all wore masks and came down with the virus

How many nurses work at this hospital? If there are only 55 nurses, that is a very high percentage ... however, if there are 500 nurses, it is only 10% who got infected in a C-19 rich environment.

In most public places where masks had been worn the concentration of infected people was nowhere near the number of infected people in a hospital full of C-19 cases. The shear number of C-19 cases in one area makes it difficult for even the most extreme protection to be 100% effective.

The fact that cases have risen in areas where masks were discarded as soon as people were told they were no longer "required" even though they remained "recommended" should indicate that masks do offer some protection - and some is far better than none.

 

[AmtrakBlue]

Over 50 nurses at the hospital where my wife is employed all wore masks and came down with the virus. That evidence makes me skeptical of their effectiveness but all recovered. I do believe that masks are quite effective against bacteria.

Did these nurses wear masks anywhere besides in the hospital?

 

[AmtrakBlue]

Over 50 nurses at the hospital where my wife is employed all wore masks and came down with the virus. That evidence makes me skeptical of their effectiveness but all recovered. I do believe that masks are quite effective against bacteria.

Then explain why people are reporting fewer colds and flus this past 1-1/2 years. Those are caused by viruses, you know.

 

[jis]

Then explain why people are reporting fewer colds and flus this past 1-1/2 years. Those are caused by viruses, you know.

Didn't you know? Those are fatter viruses COVID viruses are the special thin viruses

 

[Bob Dylan]

Didn't you know? Those are fatter viruses COVID viruses are the special thin viruses

Don't you know the Corona Virus only attacks Democrats, Infidels,Agnostics and Atheists!

 

[me_little_me]

Didn't you know? Those are fatter viruses COVID viruses are the special thin viruses

Wow! Great justification for a large ice cream sundae with lots of hot fudge, hot caramel, chocolate bunnies and Santas, and of course, sprinkles, on it. Better than the vaccine for avoiding skinny!

 

[Oreius]

With or without rail in the median?

I believe without rail.

 

[SaharaKumlu]

I’m sure you’ve read the news about the lady who assaulted a flight attendant on a Southwest Airlines flight. Apparently, the unruly lady popped the attendant in the mouth, breaking two of her teeth. The lady and her 3 kids refused to wear a mask on the flight and was (supposedly) being defiant. She was charged with felony assault.
Now, here’s my question. How does Amtrak deal with unruly passengers? I do know the Conductor is authorized to “throw someone off.” The Conductor is in charge of all onboard crew members. I also know Amtrak has a dedicated police force, primarily in the Northeast. Has anyone ever witnessed unruly behavior? Both Southwest Airlines and the FAA have reported an “explosion” of unruly passengers on flights.

She wasn't a "lady"!

 

[Bob Dylan]

She wasn't a "lady"!

Ive seen lots of unruly Passengers thrown off Amtrak Trains, mostly for Smoking,Being intoxicated, No Tcket and for Mental problems,
but only a handful were actually turned over to LE when the Train was stopped.

Twice I have seen Passengers help Amtrak Crews subdue passengers that had assaulted someone on the train, and once wben caught stealing.in the Sleepers.

As you said, Amtrak Police are very seldom seen on Trains except in the NEC, but I did see one on the Texas Eagle from Dallas to Austin on my last trip..

 

[PaTrainFan]

No excusing any behavior that warrants being tossed from a train but I often wonder whatever happens to these people when dumped in the middle of nowhere (in many instances).

 

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

As you said, Amtrak Police are very seldom seen on Trains except in the NEC, but I did see one on the Texas Eagle from Dallas to Austin on my last trip..

I took the Carolinian from Raleigh to Greensboro last fall. We were on the platform for a few minutes and there was a LEO on the platform. I don't remember if this was Raleigh city police or Amtrak. I am sure it was not a county deputy sheriff. (I wonder if I posted about that last fall.) I think that is the first time I ever noticed an LEO around Amrak stations or trains in North Carolina. I think we was just hanging out and I want to say he was indeed Amtrak Police, but the memory is a bit fuzzy.

An Amtrak police walked through asking if all were OK after the derailment under Washington Union Station, but I am sure the LEO was only on the train after the derail and we were a 100 meters or so from the platform. I assume he jumped on the Crescent after we jumped a switch.

 

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

No excusing any behavior that warrants being tossed from a train but I often wonder whatever happens to these people when dumped in the middle of nowhere (in many instances).

In the case of my wife the man was going on about his net worth vs the pay of the Amtrak employees. It would seem he would be able to pay for a cab from Durham to Charlotte. Of course, maybe he was not as well off.

I guess there are taxi options, bus lines, or more than likely you are calling someone in the destination city to come get you. If that is too far away then it might be you head back home with some of the options.

All I can say is that I am sure the threshold is rather high to be tossed off with at least one if not two warnings to adjust the behavior. I can simultaneously feel bad for the people being tossed AND be glad they are off the train.

 

[kdoherty]

I've not been on the train (Lakeshore Limited) to witness poor behavior, but in the Springfield, MA stop where I some times would board there would be local law enforcement escorting passengers off the train to some unknown to me location. Maybe they were taken into custody, or maybe they were just brought to a bus stop, I'm not sure.

 

[ms garrison]

On the Zephyr a few years ago there was a guy in the observation car " entertaining" some other passengers with his exploits in the last places he had been living. Most referring to when he was doing some illegal drug transactions . Next afternoon he was missing. People sitting near him in coach said police got on the train late that night and took him off in handcuffs. Pays to keep you business to yourself . lol

 

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

I've not been on the train (Lakeshore Limited) to witness poor behavior, but in the Springfield, MA stop where I some times would board there would be local law enforcement escorting passengers off the train to some unknown to me location. Maybe they were taken into custody, or maybe they were just brought to a bus stop, I'm not sure.

My wife and I took the Carolinian last month to visit a daughter in Richmond. She texted us about 4 police cars in the parking lot and the police ended up on the platform. We had a free pass from the Amtrak Credit card so we took the saving and went business class. Maybe something was going on in coach class but I did not see anything to be a concern. Maybe the police were tipped off someone was on the train and it had nothing to do with on-train behavior. The platform was packed with those getting on and off the train so I am not sure if the person slipped by the police or what . The train was late so we walked around the station and straight to the car. I never heard anything on the news and finding a local paper was not so easy that I walked by one to just grab and pay.

 

[Oreius]

Unfortunately, the issues with unruly passengers on trains, planes, and even automobiles will only continue for the foreseeable future unfortunately. Did you see the CDC is now “recommending” even vaccinated people wear masks in areas of high Covid-19 activity? There is no doubt the mask mandates on travel will be extended beyond 9/13…

 

[Kat314159]

The only time I've seen someone put off the train it was due to her "service" dog's behavior. The conductor made it very clear that it was only the dog that had to go. At first it was just barking, and the conductor said if it didn't quiet down it would need to get off at the next stop. The service dog handler was somewhat belligerent towards the conductor. The dog snapped at someone (but didn't make contact) in front of a Car Attendant. She and the dog were put off the train at the next stop with the conductors admonishment that she was lucky we were in an area of WV without many level crossings. He should be putting her off in the middle of nowhere to local law enforcement there. She was received by LE at the next station stop but they didn't appear to arrest her. I was on the Capital Limited and very thankful to have some peace and quiet after they got out.

 

[daybeers]

I've not been on the train (Lakeshore Limited) to witness poor behavior, but in the Springfield, MA stop where I some times would board there would be local law enforcement escorting passengers off the train to some unknown to me location. Maybe they were taken into custody, or maybe they were just brought to a bus stop, I'm not sure.

Amtrak Police has an office in Springfield, MA, so maybe that's where they were taken.

 

[jis]

The most dramatic put off the train event that I witnessed was on the SWC when a stowaway was forcibly removed by LEOs from a Roomette next to mine at a grade crossing in the middle of nowhere.

Don't know much detail since the LEO asked me to stay in my Roomette and lock the door.

 

[JayPea]

The only time I personally witnessed someone getting booted off Amtrak was on the Portland half of the Empire Builder. Someone had stowed away onto the train at Vancouver and locked himself in a bathroom. I was in coach and had gone downstairs to use the bathroom. The car attendant and conductor were gathered by a door and they quietly told me to go to the other car as there was a stowaway in the bathroom and didn't want to spook him. I don't know where he intended to go but he only got as far as the next stop, Bingen-White Salmon, before being escorted off the train into the waiting arms of some of Klickitat County's finest. I think he found out it wasn't worth the trouble of sneaking on Amtrak.

 

[Oreius]

I visited Hersheypark last week, and I saw these signs posted everywhere around the park. I think it’s very sad, but shows the world seems to have become more dangerous.

 

[jis]

Back in the SFZ days I witnessed an incident at Green River WY where an alleged "lady of the night" was taken off the train by LEOs for allegedly providing her services on the train. Weird stuff goes on in some of these trains I suppose.

 

[Cal]

The most dramatic put off the train event that I witnessed was on the SWC when a stowaway was forcibly removed by LEOs from a Roomette next to mine at a grade crossing in the middle of nowhere.

I wonder where the nearest law enforcement were stationed and how long it took them to get there, must’ve been pretty far. I wonder if they ever have difficulties finding it.

 

[WICT106]

Once during the early- to mid- 2000s, when I boarded the Empire Builder in Wisconsin. A couple was occupying one of the roomettes opposite me. They had shut their door, and a couple of minutes later, there was some loud thumping, or pounding. This thumping / pounding went on for several more minutes, stopping only when one of the train crew showed up. The couple were then escorted off of the train, into the custody of the local Sheriff's deputies ( I think, at either the Dells, or at Tomah ). It turns out that they had used some drugs, and proceeded to have a violent altercation within the roomette ( the violence was, obviously, the thumping / pounding noise ).

 

[flitcraft]

I visited Hersheypark last week, and I saw these signs posted everywhere around the park. I think it’s very sad, but shows the world seems to have become more dangerous.

Central PA is more like Kentucky culturally than like Philly or Pittsburgh. My daughter and her family live about five miles from Hershey Park, and know that all too well. A couple of days ago, an elderly woman in their apartment complex approached my son-in-law and eight year old granddaughter, got right up in her face and screamed at her, "Why are you wearing a mask? Are you stupid??" Betcha Hersheypark has had similar episodes.

Obligatory 'misbehavior (almost) on a train' story: Seen in the Before Times at King St. Station in Seattle: Young guy semi-furtively smoking pot in the station, then arguing with the LEO that he needed to smoke it up before getting on the train. Turns out that argument failed and he was escorted out of the station...