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I've always wondered what happened to the MCI MC-10 and MC-11. I think the MC-10 ended up as the 96A3 but what about the MC-11? Did that become the unsuccesful 102B3?
The answer to that question remains unclear....only someone that designated model names at MCI could probably give the proper answer...

Logically, the MC-12 should have been designated as a MC-10 or perhaps an 'MC-9A', following their past practice assigning names to modifications or new models. But the fact that the 'letter series' came out between the MC-9 and the MC-12 probably had something to do with skipping those numbers.....
I thought the MC-9A was similar to the MC-9J, the commuter version MC-9 for New Jersey Transit. But I can't find good info on the differences between the MC-9A, MC-9B, and MC-9J. I did find this: http://www.ttmg.org/pages/tmci/njt-mcie.html.

Man, I haven't seen one of these in a long time! When did NJT retire them?
1998-2003 was when those MC-9s started going when the 102-DL3s arrived. Some went to Florida. One 1983 MC-9A was repowered with an 8v71N and was retired in 2006 by one of the companies down here. Man MC-7-9s were used a lot by many down here along with some Prevosts and Van Hools.
 
Swadian, didn't the MC-12 come with the new '50' series, 4 cycle, 4 cyliner Detroit Diesel? I know the ones I have seen had it, but not sure if they all did, or like you said, the first ones still had the classic 2 cycle Detroit...
 
Swadian, didn't the MC-12 come with the new '50' series, 4 cycle, 4 cyliner Detroit Diesel? I know the ones I have seen had it, but not sure if they all did, or like you said, the first ones still had the classic 2 cycle Detroit...
As far as I could find, the 1992-1996 MC-12's had the 6V92TA like the late-model MC-9's and the rest had some version of the Series 50. The earlier MC-9's had the 8V71TA and sometimes the 8V71N.

That's what I could find, it may not be the most correct.

Also, it appears that Greyhound's early D4505's from 2010-2011 have the Detroit 60 while the newer ones have the Cummins ISX. I just got off one with an ISX, it seems like a pretty good engine.
 
Except for the pollution issue, I love the old Detroit Diesel classic two cycle engines....best bus engine ever built....

I like their big 'cousin's' as well....the Electromotive Division old two cycle locomotive engines.....
 
I just got off a Greyhound bus yesterday. It was my New Year's trip to San Francisco. Both ways D4505, first one was 86542 and second was 86521. I measured the seats in these buses, 36" pitch and 18" width. Quite a lot better than airline Economy. Smooth ride, good drivers, and not much suspicious passengers.

After you brought up how Greyhound is supposedly popular with college kids, I took a look at each passenger and I saw some boarding in Sacramento on the outbound leg to SFD. I saw only one college kid that got off in Reno on the return leg, no college kids got on in Reno on the outboud leg. Did see a "young professional" who sat in front of me on the entire outbound leg. He had an interest in trucks and chatted with a friendly trucker seat mate about Kenworth and fifth wheels. It seems that Greyhound is gaining popularity with California college kids but very unpopular with Reno college kids.

Greyhound needs to cut padding on the RNO-SFD. We were early to every station. On the outbound leg, we were 20 minutes early into SAC despite taking an unscheduled 10-minutes smoke break in Colfax. Would've been 30 minutes early if the driver hadn't taken that extra stop.

Both schedules were packed with passengers, but as I said, most passengers were civilized and clean. Restrooms were clean, both buses were very clean. No mechanical problems. Fun downhill and uphill rides at high speed, the drivers always kept it stable. Both drivers were aggressive, passed many cars and semis. I knew the second driver after many ride with him, he didn't both with the outside lane because he was contantly passing everybody, flooring it uphill. Weather was clear and sunny so no safety issues. Ride past Donner Lake at dusk was very nice.

My guests had some suitcases, they all arrived with no issues. They liked the Greyhound and said that they were indeed better than Eurolines (they're from Germany). They were surprised at the very high Amtrak fares I showed them but they said they were happy with Greyhound.

Tried the Greyhound Food Services at SAC since I earned discount on all food purchases with my Road Rewards card. The food was actually pretty good. Freshly prepared at the terminal, I saw them grilling my burger. It's a good deal for the price I got.

I know Greyhound's got a bad reputation, and I know people can say I'm biased because I'm a Greyhound enthusiast. But what have I got to complain about? Sure, the G4500's suck, but they're getting rebuilt fast and they're disappearing. The only complaint I have about this trip is that the schedules had too much padding.

As far as fleet types, I've been seeing huge amounts of D4505's and no 102DL3's at all. A few G4500's mixed in. All the schedules east of Reno that I saw were D4505's. I haven't seen a 'DL3 since summer, where'd they go?

Pictures coming up on my Flickr photostream, check them out as I slowly upload them.
 
The D4505 is a very nice motorcoach. The Amtrak California ones I travelled on rode great, seemed to have no problem going over the mountain pass on the I-5, the MCI standard seats are comfortable (I'm sure Greyhounds are even more comfortable) and it was a quiet ride. It's a fantastic machine!

As I mentioned earlier, I just moved up to Seattle. On my way up here I drove a moving truck and was passed by just one Greyhound. It made me think of this discussion thread.

It was a G4500 and this bus represented every stereotype people have about the company. It was filthy, had duct tape holding down a baggage door, the wheelchair door was plain white and a big cloud of black diesel smoke poured out as it passed. The only upside is that the bus could still speed down the highway at 10 miles an hour over the posted speed limit.

It was a total contrast to the D4505 and their drivers I was used to seeing in Central California.

I only hope that for Greyhound's (and Amtrak California's) sake that MCI's new equipment holds up better than the G4500.

Those old dogs can't be rebuilt fast enough! (I have yet to see a rebuilt G4500 in the wild.)
 
Yep Ricky, Greyhound should have rebuilt the G4500 before rebuilding the 102DL3. I don't know what they were thinking except that the G4500 is newer. Doesn't matter how new the G4500 is because the 102DL3 never runs like stiched-up scrap metal but 60% of G4500's have major defects!

At least the G4500 isn't a real MCI, it was made by Dina. They have derated engines (370hp) because they had too many overheats and engine fires, so they don't go as fast as the other Greyhounds. I'm surprised it went 10 mph over the speed limit.

Do you remember where you saw that G4500? I'm thinking the Sacramento-Portland route.

Regarding the D4505 seats, there's no "standard" MCI seats because MCI doesn't make seats. Whenever you buy a bus, you order the seat to preference. I saw those pictures you posted of the seats, can't really determine what seats they are. But I'm glad they're comfy.

When I say the "night and day" difference with Greyhound coaches, you can see that I'm talking about G4500 vs D4505. The former is worse is every way imaginable! That's why Greyhound had such a long lawsuit over their issues!
 
Any updates on the G4500 and Seattle-based schedules? I know the rebuilds are underway but what's the rebuild rate? The 102DL3 rebuild rate was/is about 1 unit per day. I assume the G4500 will be slower to rebuild because it's such a bad coach.
 
Speaking of which... apparently Greyhound takes Washington State Route 99 into town (which passes right by my Apartment). In the past week or so I've seen about a dozen G4500 (no rebuilds, all looked beat to hell), 1 D4505 and today I spotted a rebuilt 102DL3.

I know that ABC Companies is rebuilding the 102DL3. Who won the contract to rebuild the G4500? As a matter of fact, I've never seen a press release from Greyhound (or anyone for that matter) that they are rebuilding the G4500.
 
Wait, they actually have some better coaches in Seattle now? Last I heard it was all G4500's, all schedules, all routes. Now that you're seeing the occasional D4505 and 102DL3, seems like Greyhound is slowly improving Seattle service. Or they could just be Denver-based buses that end up in the PNW after running Denver-Portland.

I heard from a Greyhound driver that they are rebuilding the G4500 with Volvo engines. No idea who got the contract, but it could just be ABC Companies. On GTE I heard that Greyhound did some 102DL3 rebuild in their own Louisville and Richmond Maintainenece Centers. There's pictures of Richmond mechanics replacing the entire powertrain and all the electric wires in a 102DL3.

Here's some pictures of a rebuilt G4500: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=98444414@N08&q=G4500

Say, which part of 99 are you on? I used to live in Seattle, but I forgot my exact address, it's been a long time. Rain, rain, rain.....
 
I live near the viaduct in Downtown. The buses seem to exit the 99 at Seneca and head up 1st to the terminal.

Question: on the Greyhound Wikipedia page they list 20 J4500 in the fleet... but they say they were built in 2013 while there is a photo of a 2005 J4500 in Greyhound's new livery. Also, they say there are some D4500 coaches in Greyhounds fleet (I know it's essentially the same bus as the 102DL3) but how many and when were they introduced?

I guess the answer is to get a real fleet roster...
 
Aha, I was just looking at Wikipedia and I saw you in the Edit History. Yeah, I don't know about those J4500's since I've never seen one. As I said before in this thread, I heard on GTE that they were bought second-hand in 2013 from Lakefront Lines and bankrupt Coach America. They were obviously not built in 2013.

I do know more about the D4500's, they're numbered in the 6600-series (built 2001) and they are exactly identical to the 6500-series 102DL3 (built 1998-2000). These buses differ from the other DL3's in that they have factory-installed wheelchair lifts with wide WC doors, the other ones have retrofitted WC lifts with much narrower WC doors. Here, pictures tell the tale:

#6357 (narrow WC door): http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbernero/8083537239/in/set-72157625959347317

#6533 (wide WC door): http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbernero/8535660372/

#6651 (wide WC door D4500):http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbernero/7993874971/in/set-72157625959347317

As you can see, no difference whatsoever between #6533 and #6651. The D4505 is just a D4500 with cosmetic changes. Do note, #6660-6664 are second-hand from Michigan DOT, they have a really weird offset WC door. I've only seen it in pictures.
 
GTE is basically Greyhound's version of AU. But it's a Yahoo! Group, which got messed up with the new version. Having quite a bit of trouble with GTE lately.

Just go to Yahoo! Groups and search for it: "Greyhound Through Express". Right now a popular topic is about shifting manual coach transmissions.
 
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Why do some Greyhound Canada coaches drive with a black cloth pulled over their nose? A lot of these are rebuilds, I really don't think their nose is damaged already.
 
Why do some Greyhound Canada coaches drive with a black cloth pulled over their nose? A lot of these are rebuilds, I really don't think their nose is damaged already.
Cold weather protection, perhaps? I've noticed the same in the winter on a lot of school buses, and that's the only thing I can think of.
 
Why do some Greyhound Canada coaches drive with a black cloth pulled over their nose? A lot of these are rebuilds, I really don't think their nose is damaged already.
Cold weather protection, perhaps? I've noticed the same in the winter on a lot of school buses, and that's the only thing I can think of.
Possibly, but I still don't understand why it's a black cloth instead of a blue cloth to fit the colours of the coach. Also, the nose of these coaches are stainless steel painted blue with decal on top, do they really need a cloth over them? If so, why only on the rebuilds and not on the original 102DL3's?
 
If it's the kind of cover I'm thinking of, it makes less airflow over the radiator, allowing the engine to reach operating temperature more quickly (and stay there). I've only ever seen them in black, that's probably the only color they come in. It's not mean to be good looking, it's meant to work.
 
If it's the kind of cover I'm thinking of, it makes less airflow over the radiator, allowing the engine to reach operating temperature more quickly (and stay there). I've only ever seen them in black, that's probably the only color they come in. It's not mean to be good looking, it's meant to work.
The radiator of the coach in question (102DL3) is mounted in the rear, above the engine. The engine of this coach is in the rear, not in the front like school buses.

So why the black cover over a piece of stainless steel?

102DL3 with nose cover: http://www.busdrawings.com/greyhoundca/102dl3/us102dl3/030213-03039gh6048.jpg.

102DL3 without nose cover: http://www.busdrawings.com/greyhoundca/102dl3/us102dl3/261111-2223gh6166.jpg.

102DL3 engine and radiator at back: http://www.busdrawings.com/greyhoundca/102dl3/2000dl3/041211-09371gh1125.jpg.

Shouldn't be cold weather protection because there's a picture taken in April with the black cover and another picture taken in December without the nose cover.
 
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Shouldn't be cold weather protection because there's a picture taken in April with the black cover and another picture taken in December without the nose cover.
Just a random theory... since this is the winter and those are Canadian buses... maybe they are to protect the paint on these newly refurbished buses from damage by road salt in the harsh Canadian winters.
 
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Shouldn't be cold weather protection because there's a picture taken in April with the black cover and another picture taken in December without the nose cover.
Just a random theory... since this is the winter and those are Canadian buses... maybe they are to protect the paint on these newly refurbished buses from damage by road salt in the harsh Canadian winters.
But there's a picture of 6177 taken on 14 July 2013 at Banff heading to Calgary, with a nose cover! I'm pretty sure there's no snow in July, Banff isn't even that cold.

There's another picture of 6341 covered with snow and no nose cover!

I'll have to go to Canada and ask them myself. Or maybe GTE has some answers, if the technical issues would stop!
 
I just heard that Greyhound #86538 had an incident in Arizona when a man tried to attack the driver and the coach swerved into the median. The coach was running Schedule 1454 Los Angeles-Dallas, signed EL PASO, TX.

Apparently the crazed attacker kicked open the driver shield but failed to crash the bus before passengers subdued him.

Article: http://www.kpho.com/story/24527349/bus-driver-praised-after-attack-suspect-idd.

Looks like Greyhound is already suffering attritional losses of their new D4505's even though they have pat-downs for every passenger at major stations and ID requirements for every passenger.
 
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