Live Railcam catches shooting at Tucson station
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Amtrak staff have a long history of serving as confidential informants to help facilitate fishing expeditions so they can collect payment on seizure. I have no interest in risking life and limb as collateral damage for the DEA. In my view the war on drugs has failed in a predictably spectacular fashion and if it were up to me most addictive substances would be legalized and taxed to remove the criminal element. If someone is going to throw their life away on addiction making drugs illegal will not stop them.
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But maybe they wouldn't have started if these checks didn't happen?
Not necessarily agreeing with either side, but just pointing something out
One other tidbit that isn’t really making the headlines or that I’ve seen mentioned here. The gunman barricaded himself in a lavatory and was also killed.
Here's how MSN/CNN portrayed it.
Video: Routine search ends in dramatic shootout at Amtrak station (msn.com)
I was in a situation in Denver when the city police brushed past a lady alighting with her toddler and me and boarded a bus with weapons drawn to arrest a drug dealer. He pulled out a pistol and killed himself. I called Dispatch. The last time I saw the bus operator she was in tears on the shoulder of the first of our street supervisors (inspectors) to arrive on the scene and I don't believe she ever drove a bus again. There may be Amtrak employees who will at the least need counseling.
Video: Routine search ends in dramatic shootout at Amtrak station (msn.com)
I was in a situation in Denver when the city police brushed past a lady alighting with her toddler and me and boarded a bus with weapons drawn to arrest a drug dealer. He pulled out a pistol and killed himself. I called Dispatch. The last time I saw the bus operator she was in tears on the shoulder of the first of our street supervisors (inspectors) to arrive on the scene and I don't believe she ever drove a bus again. There may be Amtrak employees who will at the least need counseling.
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So true.
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Either bled out from a shot by an officer or took his own life.
WMATA in the DC area does the same. I'd imagine the transit lines for most large cities do since their customers are generally in a hurry to get someplace and the delay not being due to an equipment failure or jumper reduces complaints about "why does this system never get fixed?" a teeny tiny bit.
In the video one lady being assisted from the coach by police officers was noticeably emotionally distraught (audible crying) from her experience.
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NJTransit Rail Operations used to always say "it is Amtrak's fault" even for delays on their own railroad sometimes. Now they have become a little more circumspect and descriptive.
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I believe that firearms are not allowed as carry-on items on Amtrak.
Rest In PeaceJust my opinion here. They scan passengers before you board a plane for weapons and sharp items before you board a plane right? Why not before you board a train? A little more time getting on board would not bother me. Any thing can be brought on Amtrak, as was what just happened. Safety is getting less and less these days. They can scan me any time before I board a train. Bring back passenger peace of mind and the Amtrak police that are there to protect us please!
Why not, you ask? Because you can't hijack a train.
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Might be possible at major staffed stations but not feasible at unstaffed stations. And what about luggage/carry-ons? Most stops don't have baggage services and baggage/carry-ons are easily accessible. That would add several minutes to every stop-n-go station along the route. Some routes could add a couple of hours. Only way would be to only allow a single carry-on and everything else into the baggage car. Then passengers and carry-on could be hand wanded. But most likely every carry-on would trigger an alert and have to be hand inspected. And there would have to be additional personnel and again time to issue claim checks and load the baggage.
Ever see Pelham 123?
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Yes, I have seen the 1974 film and the 2009 film (have not read the 1973 book nor seen the 1998 film) I have seen also Star Trek and Star Wars ... doesn't make space travel real or common
It should be noted - The Taking Of Pelham 123 is actually a fictional event described in the '73 book The Taking Of Pelham One Two Three by Morton Freegood who was at the time writing by the pen name John Godey.
One of the reasons people travel by train is the ease of boarding and to avoid the security checks at most airports. This shooting was an extremely rare event.
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Come on, that's a fictional movie. I don't think such a thing has actually happened in real life.
Given that one of the reasons that a lot of people prefer trains over planes is the lack of TSA security theater, I don't think there would be a great groundswell of desire to implement said security theater on Amtrak.
This is the second time this year that an armed passenger caused a dangerous incident at the train or station due to police intervention. Maybe the cops should leave these people alone if they're not causing any trouble, it might be safer for everybody involved. Was the potential to interdict a small amount of drugs or some possible drug-related cash worth the death of the DEA agent?
But the whole airport screening thing started because of hijackings.
https://www.nap.edu/read/5116/chapter/3
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