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Hi everyone,

I'll be going on my first Amtrak trip with my girlfriend next Saturday. I was looking at prices for a roomette, but they've seen to go up about $50 to $247. Should I wait to book the roomette on the train itself?

Thanks!
 
Hi everyone,

I'll be going on my first Amtrak trip with my girlfriend next Saturday. I was looking at prices for a roomette, but they've seen to go up about $50 to $247. Should I wait to book the roomette on the train itself?

Thanks!
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Only if you are willing to gamble on whether a room is still available on the day of travel.
 
Hi everyone,

I'll be going on my first Amtrak trip with my girlfriend next Saturday. I was looking at prices for a roomette, but they've seen to go up about $50 to $247. Should I wait to book the roomette on the train itself?

Thanks!
I can't answer that question for you. How much do you have your heart set on having a roomette? Also, when you write "next Saturday," I'm not sure if you mean 2/26 or 3/5, but in either case, if you definately want a roomette, book it NOW, as there is a good chance they will be sold out once your onboard. And the price increasing, as you alluded to, tells me that people are booking the roomettes and there are becoming less available.

Is it high or low bucket? Without knowing where your traveling from - and to - it is not possible to tell you.
 
Yesterday I booked a trip from SAC to SEA on the CS in October. I was able to add a bedroom for $326. Right afterwards I checked and the price for a bedroom went up to $738! On my return trip I also got a bedroom for $326 and when I checked afterwards the price of a bedroom had gone up to $532. It seems like on the first leg the next price offered had skipped two buckets.

I just wonder how the bucket price could go just so high on the first leg of the trip. Playing with Amsnag (which I love - thank you Paul) it seems like $326 is the low bucket price for this trip and $738 is the high. I just wonder why the price skipped the $532 and $635 buckets shown in Amsnag.

Looking forward to my first overnight Amtrak trips since moving from WAS to SAC 10 years ago.
 
Most likely you got a room someone cancelled. So it returns to inventory at it's original bucket, in this case the low one. So lucky you!
 
Thank you. That makes sense; I didn't think of that. I would have thought it would go into the high bucket, but I am not complaining.
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After I got my Acela ticket for NYP to WAS for travel in April I found this board and have learned a lot. I also realized I should consider Amtrak for longer distances. I love the Amtrak California here. So what if I will be on the train for 40 hours r/t for a 36 hour visit to SEA.
 
Okay. For the one billionth time, canceled space does not go back at the price originally booked.
 
Okay. For the one billionth time, canceled space does not go back at the price originally booked.
Okay. Just trying to learn here. So might you be able to explain the jump after I purchased a bedroom? I can't image others purchased bedrooms at the same time I did, although anything is possible, but I checked Amtrak.com and Amsnag right after I booked.

Thanks.
 
Okay. For the one billionth time, canceled space does not go back at the price originally booked.
Okay. Just trying to learn here. So might you be able to explain the jump after I purchased a bedroom? I can't image others purchased bedrooms at the same time I did, although anything is possible, but I checked Amtrak.com and Amsnag right after I booked.

Thanks.
Remember how limited the bedrooms are. There's probably only a couple at the low bucket.
 
Okay. For the one billionth time, canceled space does not go back at the price originally booked.
Okay. Just trying to learn here. So might you be able to explain the jump after I purchased a bedroom? I can't image others purchased bedrooms at the same time I did, although anything is possible, but I checked Amtrak.com and Amsnag right after I booked.

Thanks.
I've had the same thing happen to me, so either they go back in at the bucket they were purchased at, or there's something else going on. Maybe Trogdor will share...
 
Without knowing the specific travel dates, it's hard to say exactly what the situation is on the train in question.

However, the likely answer in this case is the simplest answer of all: no rooms were made available for sale at the intermediate buckets. Just a quick search of Arrow for train 14 on October 13, for example, shows nobody booked in the sleepers (deluxe or roomettes). However, there is only one of each (bedroom and roomette) currently available at the D bucket rate (for the bedroom case, this would be an accommodation charge of $326). And yes, you can pick any bedroom (or roomette) and still get that D bucket rate.

Once that room sells, the next room available is at the full S rate ($738), skipping the C, B, and A buckets completely. On the roomette side, C and B are skipped, and the next roomette would be at the A rate (jumping from $151 to $285). On different dates, different levels of availability are set for the various buckets, and there are some A buckets available. It really depends on the specific train/date combination, and what revenue management has set up for that day.

Assuming nothing changes (and revenue management is constantly tweaking bucket availability, so the likelihood that "nothing" will change between now and October is very low), and two people book bedrooms (the first one at the D bucket rate, the second one at the S rate), and the first one (D) cancels, then, since the number of bedrooms remaining sold (i.e. 1) still equals or exceeds the threshold for the D bucket (also 1), the room goes back into inventory at the S bucket.
 
That makes sense. Actually I am totally confused now.
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Revenue Management was good to me? It is still a lot of $ to travel in a private room but so worth it for me.

Travel dates are CS 10/6/2011 (one minutes before 10/7/20111) from SAC to SEA. Back to SAC 10/9/2011.
 
I won't say revenue management was "good" or "bad" to you. You got the best possible price, and anyone else booking a bedroom on your train 14 will pay considerably higher. Unless revenue management decides to adjust things in the mean time.
 
That's interesting... I didn't realize that Revenue Management got in there and monkeyed around with things so frequently. It still doesn't seem to explain how the lower priced room becomes available in the first place, but I guess can just decide to make that happen as well...
 
I have found both times I have tried to book a sleeper onboard, it seems like pulling teeth might be easier. From where I am from, its the middle of the night. Recently it took 3 hours for me to get upgraded to a roomette. Started trying at 3:30am and finally at 6:40am, they came around and did the paper work. I just don't get why it seems like its so difficult.
 
That's interesting... I didn't realize that Revenue Management got in there and monkeyed around with things so frequently. It still doesn't seem to explain how the lower priced room becomes available in the first place, but I guess can just decide to make that happen as well...
Well, I cancelled the tickets today and when I went to pull up a price on Amtrak.com right after and they were being offered again at $326. Right before I cancelled they where listed at the higher price. I thought I read it takes overnight to make the rooms available again, and they might go into a higher bucket? Maybe Amtrak updates like the airlines now, like at once?

Well, if anyone wants a roundtrip on the CS in October from SAC to SEA, with a bedroom for $326, better grab them while they last!
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Most likely you got a room someone cancelled. So it returns to inventory at it's original bucket, in this case the low one. So lucky you!
Amtrak will occassionally pull the plug on higher buckets if it sees that the sleeper is not going to sell out so you may have hit an inventory control bucket reduction.
 
Okay. For the one billionth time, canceled space does not go back at the price originally booked.
I'll raise you a kazillion AGR points :lol: :lol: :lol: Honestly, I think eliminating ALL the lower buckets puts the casual traveler in a bind. I know room #2 on the Superliners used to stay at low bucket most times but now I'm looking at the second highest bucket on trains that aren't rolling until late summer.I honestly hope this helps Amtrak's bottom line and the mega-milers survive with their AGR stashes :cool:
 
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I thought I read it takes overnight to make the rooms available again, and they might go into a higher bucket?
The overnight thing is for reservations that were made and not paid for at the time of making the reservation. If you are reserving far enough out, Amtrak will hold an unpaid reservation for 7 days normally. If you don't pay for it by that 7th day, then that night the system will purge the reservation and return the room back to inventory for sale.

But if one cancels any reservation, paid or unpaid, the room immediately goes back into inventory.
 
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