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New London: that is a major problem that would require a complete relocation of a few miles to fix.
Why does it need a relocation? I know you know more then me, but why can't they just install some elevators and platforms at a higher level? The platforms on much of the NEC in NJ are well elevated from the street, why can't that be done with New London? Solve the grade-crossing problem, too.
It is a curve problem, not an elevation problem.
Right, and besides any proposal to elevate the track there has zero chance of being approved by any environmental agency worth its salt too. :) Can you imagine blocking out the river front from the downtown with an elevated track structure?
 
The 150 mph stretch is considerably longer now. There's a total of 34 miles or so of 150 mph track now.
Kingston station is within one of the sections that was increased to 150. The speed limit through the station used to be 130 mph.
Traveling exactly 34 miles at 150 mph would take 13:36. Traveling the same distance at 135 mph would take about 15:07—a difference of about 1:31, still not a great time savings.

Just for fun, traveling exactly 34 miles at 125 mph would take about 16:19.

And finally, for the masochistic among us, traveling 34 miles at 79 mph would take about 25:49.
That also explains why for example, the French took the leap from 125mph straight to 170+mph skipping all these 135 and 150 etc. in between. And then of course they skipped on to 186 and 200.
 
The 150 mph stretch is considerably longer now. There's a total of 34 miles or so of 150 mph track now.
Kingston station is within one of the sections that was increased to 150. The speed limit through the station used to be 130 mph.
Traveling exactly 34 miles at 150 mph would take 13:36. Traveling the same distance at 135 mph would take about 15:07—a difference of about 1:31, still not a great time savings.

Just for fun, traveling exactly 34 miles at 125 mph would take about 16:19.

And finally, for the masochistic among us, traveling 34 miles at 79 mph would take about 25:49.
That also explains why for example, the French took the leap from 125mph straight to 170+mph skipping all these 135 and 150 etc. in between. And then of course they skipped on to 186 and 200.
Optimistically it sounds like the NEC planning commission wants to raise the current 150 mph limit, too. The report says that new constant tension cat should be able to support speeds in excess of 150...possibly utilized by new equipment in coming years:

"Deployment of next generation equipment, which will need to be developed in partnership with the supply industry and the FRA over the coming years, will also help sustain reliable operations by minimizing disruption due to mechanical failures. Estimates assume the next generation of equipment operates at 180 mph to 200 mph, compared to a maximum operating speed today of 150 mph, with no significant infrastructure-related costs associated with barrier or other grade separation that are a potential requirement when trains operate at very high speeds above track class 7 / 160 mph."

Still, Acela is max rated at 165 but Amtrak holds it at 150. Would they really run trains at 180 or 200 mph? I'd love to see the day!
 
Still, Acela is max rated at 165 but Amtrak holds it at 150. Would they really run trains at 180 or 200 mph? I'd love to see the day!
Acela tested out on the test track at that speed, but it is not rated for that speed, nor is it certified by the FRA to operate at that speed. It's not Amtrak that's holding it down to 150.
 
Optimistically it sounds like the NEC planning commission wants to raise the current 150 mph limit, too. The report says that new constant tension cat should be able to support speeds in excess of 150...possibly utilized by new equipment in coming years:
"Deployment of next generation equipment, which will need to be developed in partnership with the supply industry and the FRA over the coming years, will also help sustain reliable operations by minimizing disruption due to mechanical failures. Estimates assume the next generation of equipment operates at 180 mph to 200 mph, compared to a maximum operating speed today of 150 mph, with no significant infrastructure-related costs associated with barrier or other grade separation that are a potential requirement when trains operate at very high speeds above track class 7 / 160 mph."
This can be achieved only on the real straight portions of the alignment of which there are few and far between. The sections up north where 150 is achieved could possibly be cranked up a bit. South of NYP with new CT catenary I think there are only three or four significant segments where higher than 150 speeds would be possible.... County to Ham, Ragan to Prince and two other segments in Maryland that I cannot exactly remember the locations of.
 
The whole run out of Penn Station NY north is a disaster speed wise. You crawl through Queens over the Hells Gate Bridge, crawl through the Bronx, and then pretty much crawl through Metro-North territory all the way up to New Haven. That eats up almost an hour and a half for about a 90 mile run.
 
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The whole run out of Penn Station NY north is a disaster speed wise. You crawl through Queens over the Hells Gate Bridge, crawl through the Bronx, and then pretty much crawl through Metro-North territory all the way up to New Haven. That eats up almost an hour and a half for about a 90 mile run.
Not sure that disaster is the right word, and some of it just can't be helped. But the East River tunnels have a 50 MPH limit I believe, Harold interlocking in Queens just outside of the tunnels has a 50 MPH limit, when not crossing a switch in reverse. After Gate Interlocking, right where Amtrak splits from the LIRR it's 60 MPH over the bridge into the Bronx, although the big curve requires a slow down to 50MPH.

Once past the CSX Oak Point yard it jumps up to 70 MPH, with a few curve restrictions along the way, then a 45 MPH over the Hutchinson River Bridge, which could use some major work. Then it jumps up to 100 MPH until just before the junction with Metro North.
 
Not sure that disaster is the right word, and some of it just can't be helped. But the East River tunnels have a 50 MPH limit I believe, Harold interlocking in Queens just outside of the tunnels has a 50 MPH limit, when not crossing a switch in reverse. After Gate Interlocking, right where Amtrak splits from the LIRR it's 60 MPH over the bridge into the Bronx, although the big curve requires a slow down to 50MPH.
Once past the CSX Oak Point yard it jumps up to 70 MPH, with a few curve restrictions along the way, then a 45 MPH over the Hutchinson River Bridge, which could use some major work. Then it jumps up to 100 MPH until just before the junction with Metro North.
In the Interim report on improving trip times on the NEC that was released late last week, replacement of the "Pelham Bay Bridge" which I believe is what you are calling the Hutchinson River Bridge was one of the major bridge replacements on the list. The interim report also covers the need to modify some of curves on the Hell Gate line up to New Rochelle for faster speeds, but notes that space is limited to do this. According the report, Amtrak, Metro-North, and ConnDOT are planning potential curve modifications for the New Haven line, but any such work is years and years away.

The report, after the Amtrak website revisions, can now be found under the set of PRIIA reports at http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServe...2/1237608345018. The interim report provides a preview of a more detailed NEC master plan report draft expected to be "released in the winter of 2009 / 2010".
 
The whole run out of Penn Station NY north is a disaster speed wise. You crawl through Queens over the Hells Gate Bridge, crawl through the Bronx, and then pretty much crawl through Metro-North territory all the way up to New Haven. That eats up almost an hour and a half for about a 90 mile run.
Not sure that disaster is the right word, and some of it just can't be helped. But the East River tunnels have a 50 MPH limit I believe, Harold interlocking in Queens just outside of the tunnels has a 50 MPH limit, when not crossing a switch in reverse. After Gate Interlocking, right where Amtrak splits from the LIRR it's 60 MPH over the bridge into the Bronx, although the big curve requires a slow down to 50MPH.

Once past the CSX Oak Point yard it jumps up to 70 MPH, with a few curve restrictions along the way, then a 45 MPH over the Hutchinson River Bridge, which could use some major work. Then it jumps up to 100 MPH until just before the junction with Metro North.
Add it all up and you're averaging about 50 mph for that 90 mile stretch when you factor in station stops and signals etc. That's certainly a killer for high speed rail between Boston-NY.
 
Once the BAL tunnel is upgraded from 30 MPH (or so) that will help. It wall be 10 years plus out but if they can double the speed up to 60 mph it could save up to 10 min
You are not going to "upgrade" that 30 mph tunnel. Anything less than a complete new direct ine across Baltimore falls into the "why bother" category, as the savings will be minimal. No way can I see 10 minutese out of any upgrades that do not include MAFOR alignment changes.
 
Once the BAL tunnel is upgraded from 30 MPH (or so) that will help. It wall be 10 years plus out but if they can double the speed up to 60 mph it could save up to 10 min
You are not going to "upgrade" that 30 mph tunnel. Anything less than a complete new direct ine across Baltimore falls into the "why bother" category, as the savings will be minimal. No way can I see 10 minutese out of any upgrades that do not include MAFOR alignment changes.
The plans that I have seen calls for a new tunnel, not upgrade of the B&P Tunnel. OTOH, I suspect the Union Tunnel might continue to be used as is with some upgrades.
 
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