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JWM said:
The talk about a double track link between North and South Stations keeps going on and on. Call it a highway, aka "Big Dig" and it will get done.
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Ehh, there are reasonable arguments against doing the NS connect. I'm pretty tired of hearing about it at this point.

Lets get the entire network electrfied first - thats a prerequisite for any $10B train tunnel underneath the city. If we get that done, I'll start to consider the it.
 
Fenway said:
I got caught in the aftermath trying to go to the Bruins game from Union Sq

The T has improved except the flagship Red Line which only has 16 CRRC cars in revenue service.

October 1 was a bad day



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They would have had the cars rerailed and service back to normal, but now the Feds (NTSB) are involved so looks like another day of shuttle buses at least.

Not clear from the videos but I think the train was outbound towards Union Square? They are saying track structure OK so think it was human error.
 
Tlcooper44 said:
As a red line rider, this isn’t true.

The red line is night and day. Slow zones have been removed, and new cars are in service. The headways are no longer averaging 18 mins.
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I need to take a ride to Braintree :)

Hard to believe but the old Blue Birds in 1963 reached 55 mph between South Station and Broadway.

They still have 60 Pullman-Standard cars ( 10 trains ) in service that are 55 years old.
 
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The reports seem to be blaming this on operator error. From the picture it almost looks like the first car split the switch with the front heading to Medford and the rear to Union Sq. I wonder if the operator moved over the switch while it was changing from the Medford to Union Sq routing. To do this he/she would have had to pass the double red stop and stay that would not have cleared until the switch had been set properly. But this is all speculation on my part, we will have to wait until the NTSB issues its report.

If this turns out to be operator error, all the more reason to get the Green Line Train Protection System up and running ASAP.
 
For context, here's a picture of the Grand Junction bridge with the Allston project area in the background.

I once took a boat tour up the Charles, and the guide said that (technically) it was the only spot on earth where you could have a submarine under a boat under a train under a car under an airplane under a space station.

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In further discussion of the Allston project, and I'm paraphrasing here, they had a design/construction agreement worked out about a year ago after decades of negotiation and design about which road would be over which, and what the final result of the project on Charles river access would be. Note microscopic path along Soldier Field road now. The only problem was that there is a hard and fast rule against building anything over the Charles. The design didn't include a permanent structure over the Charles, but would require a 10 year "temporary" road sticking some two lanes or so out. A court said that 10 years was too close to permanent, and they are probably right.

In case anyone isn't familiar with the problem, the Masspike (the busiest road in Massachusetts) is about to fall down along this stretch, and is ugly as sin. See https://www.mass.gov/allston-multimodal-project for more details.

And in other MBTA news, I recently landed at Logan, hopped the free Silver Line to South Station, took the new speedy/frequent Red Line to Alewife and was picked up by my accommodating spouse. It was rush hour, only took about an hour total and was totally free. She wasn't about to pick me up at the airport.

Super easy one staircase transfer at South Station...
 
Was this Grand Junction Bridge ever considered as a way to 'connect' North and South Station for passenger use as far as Amtrak is concerned? I had never heard of it before, but I am not from around MA.
 
Brian Battuello said:
And in other MBTA news, I recently landed at Logan, hopped the free Silver Line to South Station, took the new speedy/frequent Red Line to Alewife and was picked up by my accommodating spouse. It was rush hour, only took about an hour total and was totally free. She wasn't about to pick me up at the airport.

Super easy one staircase transfer at South Station...
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Wow, nice. I have done similar but not taken the subway from South Station.
MBTA does not charge you to transfer from the Silver Line to the Red Line?
 
Amazingly, no. I don't really understand the Silver line tunnel system, but when you get off the bus under South Station, you are already inside the T paid area, and you walk down one clearly marked staircase and boom, you're on the Red Line platform. Just like transferring from another T train.

When they first proposed the Silver line, I made fun of them calling a bus a T train, but it is actually well designed with luggage racks and it is very popular with people going to or from the Seaport area.
 
Brian Battuello said:
Amazingly, no. I don't really understand the Silver line tunnel system, but when you get off the bus under South Station, you are already inside the T paid area, and you walk down one clearly marked staircase and boom, you're on the Red Line platform. Just like transferring from another T train.

When they first proposed the Silver line, I made fun of them calling a bus a T train, but it is actually well designed with luggage racks and it is very popular with people going to or from the Seaport area.
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The only real problem with the Silver line is that if the Ted Williams Tunnel has a traffic jam, your bus is stuck in it.
 
I discovered last month when I was in Boston for a brief visit that the T accepts contactless payments, so you can just tap with a credit card (or phone or watch) to get through the fare gates...

However, other systems I've encountered with this setup will automatically cap fares at a certain point, usually equivalent to the cost of a day pass -- and it turns out the MBTA does not.
 
The Green Line that derailed near Lechmere 2 weeks ago has been determined by the NTSB as operating at 36 mph in an area where the speed limit was 10 mph and passed through a double red (stop and stay) signal onto a switch that was in the process of changing, presumably to route the train to the Union Sq. branch.

An MBTA Green Line trolley was traveling more than three times the speed limit and failed to stop for a signal before this month's derailment, according to a preliminary report released by the National Transportation Safety Board on Wednesday afternoon.

The trolley derailed during the evening commute on Oct. 1, shortly after the eastbound train departed from Lechmere Station in Cambridge. Train service in the area was shut down for more than a day.

The NTSB reported Green Line train 3874-3718 entered a 10 mph zone at 36 mph, passed through a double red signal where it was supposed to stop and reached a switch that was still moving.
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https://www.wcvb.com/article/green-line-derailment-investigation-ntsb-preliminary/62626761
 
BlackDiamond said:
The Green Line that derailed near Lechmere 2 weeks ago has been determined by the NTSB as operating at 36 mph in an area where the speed limit was 10 mph and passed through a double red (stop and stay) signal onto a switch that was in the process of changing, presumably to route the train to the Union Sq. branch.



https://www.wcvb.com/article/green-line-derailment-investigation-ntsb-preliminary/62626761
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Wonder if the Union will defend the Operator who should be fired?
 
https://www.mbta.com/alerts/subway

  • Shuttle Upcoming
    Red Line: Shuttle Buses replace service between Harvard and Broadway, November 18-24 for track work. Shuttles will not be directly servicing Park St or Downtown Crossing. Board shuttles at Haymarket or State. Commuter Rail alternatives are available.

    Ashmont/Braintree bound passengers can also board shuttles at Otis St @ Summer St. Alewife bound passengers can board at Federal St @ Franklin St.

    Commuter Rail Alternatives:
    Trains will be fare-free between Porter Square and North Station & Braintree and South Station.

    Shuttle Stops:

    Harvard:
    Southbound - 1279-1299 Mass Ave (Mass Ave @ Holyoke St)

    Central:
    Northbound - 625 Mass Ave (Mass Ave @ Essex St)
    Southbound - 598 Mass Ave (Mass Ave @ Pearl St)

    Kendall/MIT:
    Northbound - 309 Main St (Main St @ Kendall Station)
    Southbound - 292 Main St (Main St @ Hayward St)

    Charles/MGH:
    Northbound - 325 Cambridge St
    Southbound - 326 Cambridge St (Cambridge St @ Lindall Place)

    Park Street:
    Shuttle buses will not directly service Park St. Use Haymarket or State.

    Downtown Crossing:
    Northbound - 100 Federal St (Federal St @ Franklin St)
    Southbound - Otis St @ Summer St

    South Station:
    Northbound - 216 Summer St (Summer St @ Atlantic Ave)
    Southbound - Summer St @ Surface Rd

    Broadway:
    Northbound - Dorchester Ave @ Broadway Station
    Southbound - W Broadway @ Broadway Station
    Updated: 10/21/2024 2:02 PM EDT

  • Shuttle Upcoming
    Red Line: Shuttle buses replace service between Broadway and North Quincy, November 5-10, for track work. Commuter Rail will be fare-free between Braintree and South Station. Shuttles will extend to Ashmont on the weekend of Nov. 9-10. MBTA.com/redline
 

Green Line B​



  • Shuttle Upcoming
    Green Line E and D Branch: No Train service between Park St and East Somerville from 8:30 PM on Friday, Nov. 15, through Sunday, Nov. 17, due to track work. Use shuttle buses between East Somerville and North Station. Use Orange Line downtown.
 
BlackDiamond said:
The Green Line that derailed near Lechmere 2 weeks ago has been determined by the NTSB as operating at 36 mph in an area where the speed limit was 10 mph and passed through a double red (stop and stay) signal onto a switch that was in the process of changing, presumably to route the train to the Union Sq. branch.



https://www.wcvb.com/article/green-line-derailment-investigation-ntsb-preliminary/62626761
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This has to be the first time in a decade that an MBTA car went over 30 mph.
 

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