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I have a friend who is in Atlanta right now trying to get to Baltimore. His flight yesterday was obviously cancelled. He tried to get a ticket on the Crescent, but it's sold out until Monday. Flights are supposedly resuming on Monday, so he's going to just fly back north. Makes you kind of wonder why they're not trying to add some crush capacity on the long distance trains...

The Vermonter struck and killed two people yesterday just south of Randolph. It was an elderly couple. The train was terminated due to the lack of a Medical Examiner. All passengers were bussed down to Springfield. They were supposed to spin 56 at Springfield, but it was running late, so I don't know if that spin happened at Springfield or if they possibly used a Shuttle set to get the passengers to New Haven and spun the train there.
 
wowza - awoke to see that both southbound Florida trains really had a tough night. The Silver Star 91 departed Raliegh at 6:18am (9 hours and 5 minutes late). On a good day, it should have been about 3 states and 480+ miles south by that time!

The Silver Meteor 97 had similiar troubles (departed Alexandria after 4:45am - just short of 9 hours behind).

Wonder how the pax and crew are fairing....food must be on short supply and patience I'd imagine must be running on about empty. Still...I'm impressed that the trains continue to press on!!
 
i for one don't have to shovel when we get hit with snow. I have 2 snowblowers with electric start.
As someone who has shoveld a lot of snow :angry: I consider the snowblower one of the greatest inventions in the modern history of mankind! :)

Of course I'm in Florida right now (took the Auto Train south last week) and the only thing I have to contend with is too much sunshine which is difficult to shovel. ;)
 
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Im scheduled to leave out of baltimore to washington dc today and then from dc to chicago. The website has no info available for train 195 at 1:40 could it be canceled? i am sitting on hold eith the 1800 number trying to find out whats happening. what would happen if it was canceled? my train from dc to chicago seems to be on time.
 
It's hard to say for sure, right now the website is saying that 195 is disrupted. That could mean that it's been cancelled or it could mean that it's just running very late.

If I were you considering the delays because of the weather, I'd head to the station as early as possible and have them put you on the next arriving train south to DC, so that you don't miss the Capitol. Or if you have another way of reaching DC, take that option rather than risking missing the Capitol.
 
Must be getting pretty bad in Virginia.
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HokieNav would know the place very well. I-81, around MP 124 in Montgomery County, closed in both directions for the better part of 8 hours. Still moving at a crawl in some areas. Trafficland.com has good views of the VA highways. Interesting to see people walking thier dogs in the middle of an interstate. No passnger trains in that vicinity.
Not only do I know the place very well, I was almost one of the stranded motorists! We drove from my house in Odenton (just north of Annapolis) to my soon to be Mother-in-laws house in Newport News, VA Friday night. The snow started before we were out of Maryland, and 301 as we approached 95 was completely blocked with stranded cars. I was able to pull a U-turn and go down some back roads (a harrowing experience in the dark with 6 inches of snow on unfamiliar roads) and get to 95, only to take 90 minutes to go 10 miles. Once we broke free of that, it was about 50 miles of traveling 20-25 MPH until we got to Williamsburg and things cleared up. It took 8 hours and 40 minutes to make the 200 mile trek down here, we finally arrived at our hotel at 3 in the morning.

Until I decided to turn around and try an alternate route, I really thought that we'd be sleeping on the side of 301 - I was fully prepared with food and water in the truck (I drive a 4wd Chevy Suburban), a full tank of gas, a shovel and some sleeping bags.

Looking at the traffic cameras, it looks like 95 and the beltway have been cleared down to pavement, so I'll be leaving presently to make the trip home (not that there's going to be work/school for any of us tomorrow).
 
Philly in the south eastern corner should see a foot, maybe a bit more.
Philly? Try 23.2 inches! If I didn't have photographic evidence that I cleared the snow off my car last night, nobody would ever believe me, to look at it this morning.
 
First news items I have seen that shares any real details........Amtrak Running on Reduced Schedule - MyFoxPhilly
I'd love to see statistics of the form:

Number of passengers with reservations to depart from PHL International Airport on Saturday: X(1)

Number of them who actually departed PHL-IA and got to their ultimate destination within 3 hours of scheduled arrival time: X(2)

Number of passengers with reservations to depart from PHL 30th St Station on Saturday: Y(1)

Number of them who actually departed PHL-30th and got to their ultimate destination within 3 hours of scheduled arrival time: Y(2)

... And the same statistics for Dulles, National, BWI, Newark, JFK, and La Guardia; as compared with the most relevant Amtrak stations for each.

I think it would be a very impressive advertising coup for Amtrak if someone could find all those numbers and distribute them via media channels.
 
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Must be getting pretty bad in Virginia.
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HokieNav would know the place very well. I-81, around MP 124 in Montgomery County, closed in both directions for the better part of 8 hours. Still moving at a crawl in some areas. Trafficland.com has good views of the VA highways. Interesting to see people walking thier dogs in the middle of an interstate. No passnger trains in that vicinity.
Not only do I know the place very well, I was almost one of the stranded motorists! We drove from my house in Odenton (just north of Annapolis) to my soon to be Mother-in-laws house in Newport News, VA Friday night. The snow started before we were out of Maryland, and 301 as we approached 95 was completely blocked with stranded cars. I was able to pull a U-turn and go down some back roads (a harrowing experience in the dark with 6 inches of snow on unfamiliar roads) and get to 95, only to take 90 minutes to go 10 miles. Once we broke free of that, it was about 50 miles of traveling 20-25 MPH until we got to Williamsburg and things cleared up. It took 8 hours and 40 minutes to make the 200 mile trek down here, we finally arrived at our hotel at 3 in the morning.

Until I decided to turn around and try an alternate route, I really thought that we'd be sleeping on the side of 301 - I was fully prepared with food and water in the truck (I drive a 4wd Chevy Suburban), a full tank of gas, a shovel and some sleeping bags.

Looking at the traffic cameras, it looks like 95 and the beltway have been cleared down to pavement, so I'll be leaving presently to make the trip home (not that there's going to be work/school for any of us tomorrow).
I bet the Robert Norris Bridge was alot of fun. It's narrower than an Amcan.
 
Im scheduled to leave out of baltimore to washington dc today and then from dc to chicago. The website has no info available for train 195 at 1:40 could it be canceled? i am sitting on hold eith the 1800 number trying to find out whats happening. what would happen if it was canceled? my train from dc to chicago seems to be on time.
If you're still reading this, and haven't already gone to the station, I would highly recommend that you head for the station and see if you cannot get your tickets switched to train #153. It left NY 2 hours 16 minutes late and is estimated to arrive into DC in time to catch the Capitol Limited. The next train, #155, is still showing no status at this time so it is unclear if it will run or not. And #195 would be behind #155, so if both of those were to be 2+ hours late, then you could potentially miss the Capitol if you wait for them
 
Good morning to all the snowbirds up there in the NE! Hope everyone is dug out, warm and if on a train @ least getting to eat something other than rice! Looks like the Crescents, the Cards and a few regionals along with the Silver trains got hit the worst and ALC got to watch #29 while eating lunch in Alliance, that's pretty late!! :eek:

I think Amtrak deserves kudoos for their work during this storm, hope the media ,local and national, give them their due and don't let malcontents like that woman penny mentioned poision the view that people that don't know about trains have!

Dont miss the winters @ all, glad I'm not on the Beltway or 95 but wouldnt mind being on a train up there in the NEC, it's late, show me the beef stew! :lol:

How bout them Cowboys! Go Niners and Redskins! (Heresy down this way but it helps the boys win the East!!) :lol:
 
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Good morning to all the snowbirds up there in the NE! Hope everyone is dug out, warm and if on a train @ least getting to eat something other than rice! Looks like the Crescents, the Cards and a few regionals along with the Silver trains got hit the worst and ALC got to watch #29 while eating lunch in Alliance, that's pretty late!! :eek: How bout them Cowboys, lets go Bears andRedskins! :D
Still snowing up here in Providence, but it should stop within the next couple of hours (I hope!).
 
As of 1:30 PM, it's just stopped snowing in KIN! :)

I'm not sure how much we got, but I guesstimate that Chez Traveler received about 1 1/2 feet - at least. (It's hard to tell with all the drifting.) But with the blowing wind, our deck was covered!

The strange thing about that? :huh: It's covered, but without windows! :eek:
 
Good morning to all the snowbirds up there in the NE! Hope everyone is dug out, warm and if on a train @ least getting to eat something other than rice! Looks like the Crescents, the Cards and a few regionals along with the Silver trains got hit the worst and ALC got to watch #29 while eating lunch in Alliance, that's pretty late!! :eek:
I think Amtrak deserves kudoos for their work during this storm, hope the media ,local and national, give them their due and don't let malcontents like that woman penny mentioned poision the view that people that don't know about trains have!

Dont miss the winters @ all, glad I'm not on the Beltway or 95 but wouldnt mind being on a train up there in the NEC, it's late, show me the beef stew! :lol:

How bout them Cowboys! Go Niners and Redskins! (Heresy down this way but it helps the boys win the East!!) :lol:
Hi all, I wanted to post some of this last night but it was a little snowy upon my arrival into BOS on #82...and I was preoccupied trying to get to the curb without getting blown over by all the snow...wow!

We arrived into BOS 6h 36m hours late - and all in all it wasn't that bad...sitting in a nice cozy Amfleet watching the winter wonderland outside is a heck of a lot better than sitting at a closed airport in my book!

The first big delay for #82 came in ALX where some switches apparently froze as reported by Amtrak839 - and this caused things to back up quickly. #82 and #88 both got stuck in that mess (as well as other trains behind them, obviously) but then there was some sort of additional problem in WAS where #82 and #88 were delayed for another few hours. Ironically, I was coming up on #98 from Miami and scheduled to transfer to #82 in WAS. I was worried that since #98 was 3 hours behind I was somehow going to miss my connection to #82 in WAS - and what a silly thought that turned out to be!

When I boarded #82 in WAS at 1:30PM (scheduled departure 10:20AM) there was no HEP since the crew was switching engines. Fair enough...about 20 minutes went by and it was apparent they were still trying to switch engines since the train jolted a tad. But then it jolted and jolted and jolted a good bit more, but the power never came back. So...it was obvious they were having some sort of problem with the engine change.

About an hour passed by and the passengers started asking the conductors (who were very surly....understandably...but still a little overly rude) about the delay. Basically the staff gave a reason which I don't understand fully - the on board attendant said the frozen switch(es) in ALX caused some sort of damage to the diesel engine and now they were having a hard time moving the diesel off our train onto separate tracks in WAS. (?) Maybe the various cables and other hardware got frozen in place? He said the locomotive was damaged by frozen switches, which I don't really follow but of course I don't work for the railroad!

About 10 minutes later, they pushed our train backwards about 1 coach-length, and we sat for another 20 minutes before one final lurch occurred and the HEP came back on. The remaining passengers then boarded the train and we departed 4h 45m late shortly thereafter. The funny thing is that once we started moving everyone in my coach started clapping! It was great. I give Amtrak maintenance kudos to all their hard work, because while they were working on the engines, the snow never let up and the platforms were covered in snow every 30 minutes! It was a true blizzard.

So we finally left WAS and we had no further problems all the way into BOS. A good old AEM-7 pulled us there through all the wind and snow (I forgot to note its number) and the other delays accrued in route because we didn't hit maximum speed on the NEC. The highest speed I recorded on my GPS was 112MPH in central NJ on that straight section of track, and then we hit about 90 on the section between PVD and BOS. Most of the time we were going 75-80 or so. I imagine the engineer had really terrible visibility, and while there are cab signals, it's just not safe to have a 9 car train barreling along without the ability to see down the track! My favorite part of the route was along the Connecticut shoreline - the tracks are smooth and we just kept moving along while I-95 was crawling.

When we all got off in Boston, the whole train looked like a giant icicle! I wish I had stopped to take a picture of it but it was so darn cold. Even a few of the vestibules had 4 or 5 inches of snow in them - you needed a shovel to remove all the snow! Apparently some of the doors became frozen in their positions and the crew had to leave a few doors open...even while the train was traveling. The doors frozen shut caused some passengers to have to move to different coaches for detraining. The vestibule I departed from in BOS had a large collection of "rime ice" if anyone knows what that is - it's when ice collects to frozen surfaces in high winds such as at the top of mountains. So I have to say those Amfleets take a licking and keep on ticking - plus they were so comfortable and quiet throughout the trip and plenty warm.

Overall the delays didn't bother me - it was great to look out the snow-covered windows and watch the storm from inside the train. My family thought I was crazy to not mind a 6 hour delay, but I still think it's better than dealing with closed airports and airline delays.

Below are a few pics.

Alexandria in the snowstorm of December 19, 2009:

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From my seat on #82, looking at a snowy switcher:

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A pair of HHP-8's in the snow:

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Corridor Clipper:

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A few delays on the NEC, Dec 19 2009:

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The CNN story about the Crescent stranded in Alexandria yesterday made me sick. That woman should be banned from ever traveling on Amtrak again. What did she expect Amtrak to do? Make the snow stop falling? Proceed even though there was something wrong ahead? Yes, maybe there could have been better communication with the passengers, but she probably wouldn't have listened anyway. What a whiner!

She mentioned paramedics being called to attend to someone in another car. If paramedics could make to to the train, I'm sure that Dominoes Pizza could have, also. She was certainly unhappy with the "meager bowl of rice" she had received onboard. And how about just bailing and calling a taxi to take her to a nice warm hotel just down the street? It isn't as though she was in the middle of nowhere! She was in Alexandria, for gosh sakes!

OK, I know I'm ranting. One of my biggest pet peeves is people who percieve themselves to be victims. How about personal responsibility, or just plain making the best out of a bad situation? Do you know she had coached the other passengers in the car to call out pitifully "Help us, please!" What a crock.

My granddaughter spent the weekend with us as usual, and saw the CNN report and also witnessed my rant. (Yes, I kept my rant under control since she's only 7 years old). I promise I didn't use any words she would get in trouble for at school. When I was done, she said, "You know what I'd have told her? 'Put on your big girl panties and just deal with it!'" That's my girl!!
 
Thanks for the weather reports guys, I'm really SHOCKED!SHOCKED! that Alan is going to drive to Penn! :lol:
Well if New Jersey Transit would hurry up and restart service to Allentown PA and Stroudsburg Pa, then I wouldn't have to drive. But alas, no service yet and they've only just barely started on rebuilding the Lackawana Cut Off, which would bring service back to Stroud. Nothing much at all, other than people dreaming, is happening on the Allentown front.
NJT is also has the bus lines lobbying against expansion into PA. It would take a lot of business from them.
 
egad, 29 is running late again today -- granted 3.5 hours versus yesterday's 8 or 9....

hope the one leaving WAS today does better, as i'll be on it! we're connecting to the eagle to LRK once in CHI, so we have a few hours to play with, but i'd like to spend that time in my traditional way: eating potato pancakes and bratwurst at the christkindlmarket. and if it's 9 hours...well, it's a good thing we have some friends in chicago.
 
The CNN story about the Crescent stranded in Alexandria yesterday made me sick. That woman should be banned from ever traveling on Amtrak again. What did she expect Amtrak to do? Make the snow stop falling? Proceed even though there was something wrong ahead? Yes, maybe there could have been better communication with the passengers, but she probably wouldn't have listened anyway. What a whiner!
She mentioned paramedics being called to attend to someone in another car. If paramedics could make to to the train, I'm sure that Dominoes Pizza could have, also. She was certainly unhappy with the "meager bowl of rice" she had received onboard. And how about just bailing and calling a taxi to take her to a nice warm hotel just down the street? It isn't as though she was in the middle of nowhere! She was in Alexandria, for gosh sakes!
Some people seem to think that they are above just sitting it out because of bad weather, I would have shoved her off the train and told the moaning old bat to sort herself out!
 
Just to share my experience with the snow, and Amtrak, on Saturday: Friday night I headed up to Baltimore for a Christmas party, expecting to take 66, which I discovered was sold out. I took the 10:30 pm MARC train instead (last one) in the light snow, and we came into Penn Station just a few minutes behind (around 11:35).

When I tried to head back on Saturday afternoon, there were maybe a handful of cars on the road in Baltimore, and no cabs in sight... I walked about a mile and a half down Charles Street toward Penn, and got there at 5:15 pm to find that Train 161 from Boston was 40 minutes late, and would be arriving in about 10 minutes! There were no other southbound trains on the departure board. I boarded around 5:30, and it was a fast trip south until we hit New Carrollton and hit "congestion" (my guess is delays related to the switches into WUS?)... probably sat there for at least a half hour. A few irate passengers considered walking over to the Metro station, but I reminded them that WMATA was shut down above ground. The conductor mentioned that we were immediately behind Train 19 (we were both stopped in the station at the same time, the rear of our train couldn't fit) and there'd be half an hour in DC to get from one train to the other. We pulled into Union Station about 7-7:05 (an hour and a half late), and I made my way to the DC metro, where my normal ride of 10-20 minutes turned into an hour. (At least my stop is underground!) So, running time Baltimore-DC came to be 90 minutes, about double the usual, but moving nonetheless!

All in all, most people were in good spirits to actually be getting to a destination, and the cafe car stayed open until we arrived (and probably did pretty well revenue-wise once the delay was announced!)... only a handful that I saw in the cafe were really upset about it, and frankly, there was no great reason to be.
 
The CNN story about the Crescent stranded in Alexandria yesterday made me sick. That woman should be banned from ever traveling on Amtrak again. What did she expect Amtrak to do? Make the snow stop falling? Proceed even though there was something wrong ahead? Yes, maybe there could have been better communication with the passengers, but she probably wouldn't have listened anyway. What a whiner!
She mentioned paramedics being called to attend to someone in another car. If paramedics could make to to the train, I'm sure that Dominoes Pizza could have, also. She was certainly unhappy with the "meager bowl of rice" she had received onboard. And how about just bailing and calling a taxi to take her to a nice warm hotel just down the street? It isn't as though she was in the middle of nowhere! She was in Alexandria, for gosh sakes!

OK, I know I'm ranting. One of my biggest pet peeves is people who percieve themselves to be victims. How about personal responsibility, or just plain making the best out of a bad situation? Do you know she had coached the other passengers in the car to call out pitifully "Help us, please!" What a crock.

My granddaughter spent the weekend with us as usual, and saw the CNN report and also witnessed my rant. (Yes, I kept my rant under control since she's only 7 years old). I promise I didn't use any words she would get in trouble for at school. When I was done, she said, "You know what I'd have told her? 'Put on your big girl panties and just deal with it!'" That's my girl!!
Love it.

A few months ago on an Emeryville to Fresno trip we had a similar dingbat.

Setting: Stalled Sacramento to Bakersfield train in siding, now 2 hours late. On time Oakland to Bakersfield pulls past it, backs into siding and couples on. While dealing with the power and control jumpers, the normal lighting, AC, etc is shut down. Now, this is being done in the dark, not by shop forces, but by the regular crew and hooking up between a cab car and the front of the engine. We are shut down in total for about 35 minutes.

About 10 minutes into this, one woman gets up and says, what is going on? (The situation had been very clearly explained over the PA system.) Then goes off into, they can't keep us locked up like this, followed by, I have got to get out of here. She goes to one of the pop out windows and starts playing with the handle on the zip out strip. (At least we are on the lower level.) After a few minutes of this, she then goes to the door, and starts trying to get the cover off the emergency door release. Fortunately her lack of sense seems go also include incompentency in following directions and handling emergency devices. She then walks up and down the car going on about how it is wrong to keep people locked in the car like being in a cage until finally the lights come on. She then settled down until the next smoke stop. The smoke stop ran a little long because some of the crew wanted a smoke break.

I was ready to go try to stop her from getting the window out, but her fumbling made it seem unlikely that she would succeed, so I stayed put.
 
Acelafan, that was a great description of your trip! Wish I had been on there with you. All that extra time on a train, what I would give for a ride like that! Loved the pictures too they helped tell the story and gave me a feel for what it was like. Whenever I ride I always pack extra snacks and sodas just in case we get delayed. The adventure is a lot more fun when your prepared.
 
Aloha

Our radio news reported on two brothers on east coast who got caught in the storm, one took a Amtrak train and was "almost 9 hours late" getting home. the other brother is in a backlog of waiting for seats that may take 3 days to resolve. Wonder when the second brother heads for the train.
 
The CNN story about the Crescent stranded in Alexandria yesterday made me sick. That woman should be banned from ever traveling on Amtrak again. What did she expect Amtrak to do? Make the snow stop falling? Proceed even though there was something wrong ahead? Yes, maybe there could have been better communication with the passengers, but she probably wouldn't have listened anyway. What a whiner!
She mentioned paramedics being called to attend to someone in another car. If paramedics could make to to the train, I'm sure that Dominoes Pizza could have, also. She was certainly unhappy with the "meager bowl of rice" she had received onboard. And how about just bailing and calling a taxi to take her to a nice warm hotel just down the street? It isn't as though she was in the middle of nowhere! She was in Alexandria, for gosh sakes!

OK, I know I'm ranting. One of my biggest pet peeves is people who percieve themselves to be victims. How about personal responsibility, or just plain making the best out of a bad situation? Do you know she had coached the other passengers in the car to call out pitifully "Help us, please!" What a crock.

My granddaughter spent the weekend with us as usual, and saw the CNN report and also witnessed my rant. (Yes, I kept my rant under control since she's only 7 years old). I promise I didn't use any words she would get in trouble for at school. When I was done, she said, "You know what I'd have told her? 'Put on your big girl panties and just deal with it!'" That's my girl!!
Love it.

A few months ago on an Emeryville to Fresno trip we had a similar dingbat.

Setting: Stalled Sacramento to Bakersfield train in siding, now 2 hours late. On time Oakland to Bakersfield pulls past it, backs into siding and couples on. While dealing with the power and control jumpers, the normal lighting, AC, etc is shut down. Now, this is being done in the dark, not by shop forces, but by the regular crew and hooking up between a cab car and the front of the engine. We are shut down in total for about 35 minutes.

About 10 minutes into this, one woman gets up and says, what is going on? (The situation had been very clearly explained over the PA system.) Then goes off into, they can't keep us locked up like this, followed by, I have got to get out of here. She goes to one of the pop out windows and starts playing with the handle on the zip out strip. (At least we are on the lower level.) After a few minutes of this, she then goes to the door, and starts trying to get the cover off the emergency door release. Fortunately her lack of sense seems go also include incompentency in following directions and handling emergency devices. She then walks up and down the car going on about how it is wrong to keep people locked in the car like being in a cage until finally the lights come on. She then settled down until the next smoke stop. The smoke stop ran a little long because some of the crew wanted a smoke break.

I was ready to go try to stop her from getting the window out, but her fumbling made it seem unlikely that she would succeed, so I stayed put.

Sounds like she was claustrophobic and had a panic attack.

Gord
 
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